I agree with this, and he was wrong, but the board are a joke nowadays and whether by some mystic force, we get pep or klopp of our rivals, i wouldnt trust this club right now to give the right backing and decisions to anyone. Mourinho new this and used his old tactic of taking things to the press, which, as history shows, the club should have expected if things went sour.
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging?
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Was he? Or was he telling the board and players true things they didn't want to hear?
Jose I think had to go, but he wasn't all to blame, Woodward the Glazers etc are also. We need a Manager who won't take any crap, but in this modern world where are they? Long way back for us
We made a mistake with him. He was best solution and we fecked it up. We had best manager with whom we could have done big things but we managed to fecked it up. ( not saying that he was not to blame also)
I found this exchange hilarious
Always thought the "Jose out" campaign of summer 2018 by your fans and essentially Woodward was odd given he had just taken you to 2nd.
José himself played a big part in fecking it up all up as well.
He brought in
Ibra
Mikhi
Sanchez
Pogba
Baily
Lukakku
Lindehof
Dalot
Fred
Do you think that's 400 mil well spent?
He had Chelsea in relegation form in his 3rd season as well. Mourinho has no history of extended succes at the same club.
Most of those players played good for him. We would not finish second and won 2 trophies if that wasn't a case. Fred and Alexis/Mikhi were flops and Dalot is bought for the future. We could have spent it a lot of better of course...
But i am not saying that Jose didn't have a huge part in his sacking.
Terrible hindsight I know, but he should have been backed and he shouldn’t have been sacked.
I wish this thread would be locked. Jose was never the answer at Man Utd.
A Man Utd manager must tick all of the follow criteria
- develops youth
- improves players
- conducts themselves well under pressure
- is a long term planner
- has a track record of taking teams to the next level, doesn't have to be trophies
- plays attractive football
Not Jose nor a single manager we've appointed since Fergie quit, ticks all of those boxes. We've hired 4 duds and that's Eds fault.
The only managers out there now that tick all of that criteria are
- Pochetino
- Tuchel
- Marco Rose
- Nagelsmann
- Eddie Howe
- Brenda Rodgers
A Man Utd manager must tick all of the follow criteria
- develops youth
- improves players
- conducts themselves well under pressure
- is a long term planner
- has a track record of taking teams to the next level, doesn't have to be trophies
- plays attractive football
Not Jose nor a single manager we've appointed since Fergie quit, ticks all of those boxes. We've hired 4 duds and that's Eds fault.
The only managers out there now that tick all of that criteria are
- Pochetino
- Tuchel
- Marco Rose
- Nagelsmann
- Eddie Howe
- Brenda Rodgers
No he was absolute shite just like everything has been since Woodward came into the football side of the football club.
#bringbackMourinho
too soon?
too soon?
The sad sad truth. These players think they have made it already simply because they play at United and earn big money, not because of any real achievements or merit on the pitch, and it shows in their performances week in week out.
Well it wouldn't fecking be this bad.
For the first time since Mourinho was sacked, I'm inclined to say 'yes' to the question the OP asks.
Won us two trophies and finished 2nd! (which looks inconceivable now).
World class manager who should’ve been backed in his feud with Pogba and in his final transfer window.
If his tenure looks shite to you then and I cannot imagine what you thinking now.
How the feck did he actually get us to finish second?
Regret the moment he was sacked. He was our best manager after SAF. Won us trophies. Has the best points per game of all the managers since SAF.
He went rogue that summer, I understand he was frustrated but he threw the season away and become poison. There was no
Recovery from that.
Recovery from that.
You people have to be joking.
It all backfired immensely. Mourinho was disliked, because he openly called out the rotten apples. He is a world class manager with a proven track record. Im sure he had conversations behind close doors with the rotten apples before he went public. Ole is not the ruthless type of manager to criticize his players, that is why the players embraced him. You need a manager who can shake up the dressing room and demand respect and authority and many feel now that Ole carries the ‘caretaker’ management and much less of the actual managerial skills such as style of play, tactics etc.
SAF conducted himself well or badly depending on the day, I'm not sure why people seem to forget that. What's the "next level" for Man Utd, if it isn't trophies? Not being relegated, after today?
I'm thinking that after Jose, managers will think twice before they come to Utd, maybe that's not true and the money will bring them.
Ole isn’t half the manager Mourinho is and will never be.
milks on the floor we gotta figure out another path
milks on the floor we gotta figure out another path
Not entirely true. His third season at Chelsea the first time around was very good.
Absolutely no way. Mou's strategy was way too short term and was not sustainable. People say that City spent more, but look at their signings and compare them to ours. We were busy buying players who could at their best give 3-4 years at the top (and I'm saying this assuming all of them succeeded), whereas City was buying quality and youth. Pep spent what 100m more than us? Give yourself the advantage of hindsight and give the list of players you would have bought with that 100m that would not only give us quality and depth but would also provide a solid foundation for next 7-10 years.
According to whom? I don't care about many of those attributes.
The problem with your list is you're trying to boil an ocean within a few minutes with a cigarette lighter.
We need a manager who can find the best way to use our resources to win games a football, preferably with increasing regularity, eventually delivering a league title. Attractive football can come after that. Including some homegrown or younger players can happen after that. Much like SAF did.
Mourinho was well on this journey and I've no doubt he would have delivered by end of next season if our board had backed him, and we didn't have such a spoilt and entitled fan base.
Sadly, there was no-one at our club who understood what it requires to win the EPL aside from Mourinho when he was at the club. Its why he fell out with everyone: because he was the only winner amongst a club full of frauds.
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Read what I wrote, I didn't talk about a third season.
Should have backed him the summer he wanted a CB. Big big mistake. We would be in a much much better place. Maybe even challenging in Europe. All on Ed for me. The buck has to stop there.
Fell out with Roman straight after that though and left.
Before he joined us, everyone said it would be fine, because he'd be given freedom to run the footballing side. We now know this is complete bollox, as we have Woodward who is lord and master of all.
Mourinho had every reason to go rogue, when he was lectured by Woodward about footballing matters. I don't blame him at all: it was the only tool he had left, to get his way. As I wrote above, aside from Mourinho, there was no-one at our club who understood what it requires to win the EPL when he was at the club. It's why he fell out with everyone: because he was the only winner amongst a club full of frauds.
So many fan rejoiced when he was sacked. Well this mess is as much their fault as it is OGS and the rest.
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This.
He came 2nd! A CB and a right winger would have made a massive difference the following season. Add to that signings last summer as well, and we'd be right up there by now.
yes, there were some uncalculated errors like Sanchez, that happens. But I've no doubt he'd have instilled a much better mentality around the squad.
I also add internet fans to the blame list, for causing so much negative opinion about him.
To get the massive payout? to leave before his reputation got ruined with a relegation?
The rewriting of history has begun. The cult of Mourinho strikes back.
Yeah, to get his payout. Why should he stay with the liar that is Woodward? I've no problem with what he did at the end.
According to Liverpool who went out to get the very best. A manager with long term vision and exciting playing style.
According to Tottenham who apart Tom last summers spend, appointed a guy who has spent less than West Ham, Everton, Arsenal etc yet for the few of seasons has been humiliating super clubs in the Premier league and champions league, whilst playing exciting football.
Mourinho has never lasted 3 years at any club, even when he had 10 times more to spend than anyone else, in his first stint at Chelsea. Its well known that Mourinho's negative bully dictator approach can work brilliantly in the short term, but eventually becomes so toxic that all his teams implode on year 3. His brand of football is incredibly dour also and fans get sick of it by year 3 also.
what rewriting? Go on tell me.
Thats your opinion and conjecture.
Did our attendances go down? Did our matches attract less ad revenues on sky? Did Redcafe experience less web traffic? The answer is NO.
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I thought you were implying about getting the player he wanted. Woodward backed him for several transfer windows until that summer, where he pulled the plug on another expensive centerback after signing two for him already. Was that really enough of a reason to do destroy our season? He may not have won the league with that squad, but dont tell me it wasn't good enough for top 4. Ole almost made it ffs.
I agree with @Champagne Football's idea of what's needed much more than @sammsky1's, particularly in regard to the style of football.
For one I believe attacking football is fundamentally a better approach that is likely bring better results than pragmatic football, to the point where I literally don't believe a Mourinho-esque philosophy is capable of producing a side as good as City were last season. By bringing in a pragmatic coach you're placing a cap on what's possible.
Beyond that, the reality is that a manager who doesn't play good football, doesn't play young players, conducts himself badly and doesn't improve the players at his disposal isn't going to last long enough here to win trophies. Because the truth is that whoever we hire will have to do a lot of good work before we reach the point where being a "winner" matters. Consistent top four finishes would be a massive improvement from our current state.
For one I believe attacking football is fundamentally a better approach that is likely bring better results than pragmatic football, to the point where I literally don't believe a Mourinho-esque philosophy is capable of producing a side as good as City were last season. By bringing in a pragmatic coach you're placing a cap on what's possible.
Beyond that, the reality is that a manager who doesn't play good football, doesn't play young players, conducts himself badly and doesn't improve the players at his disposal isn't going to last long enough here to win trophies. Because the truth is that whoever we hire will have to do a lot of good work before we reach the point where being a "winner" matters. Consistent top four finishes would be a massive improvement from our current state.