No Deal wasn't even a thing in 2017. It's an absolute lie that it's always been the default position for everyone who voted Brexit. If the Leave campaign had led with a no deal Brexit in 2016 they would've probably lost the referendum.
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If he's dead in a ditch.
Latest YouGov ‘poll of polls’ which aggregates 300 smaller polls shows a clear REMAIN win. And that’s without new campaigning where I’m convinced many of the better BrExit educated public would switch from leave to remain
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...olls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html
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I feel like the media need to stop getting distracted by all these No 10 leaked stories, they're just designed to be ramp up tensions and keep people switching their gaze.
Whilst we're at it stop interviewing the trolls who just throw out the latest us vs them line.
Whilst we're at it stop interviewing the trolls who just throw out the latest us vs them line.
Partly down to editorial agenda and also to get clicks.
You do realise that leaving isn't the end of the process right? This is going on for up to 10 years maybe more before everything is agreed.
Just. Ger. Ron. Wif. Fit.
If Johnson refuses to campaign solely on no deal, then The Brexit Party splits the leave vote, and Lib Dem and Labour split the remain vote....are we most likely to see a coalition of one or the other?
Probably a brexit or conservative coalition (would be conservatives preference) and would pursue WTO terms exit
Other than that I could see a lib conservative coalition based on a referendum between wto and remain
Can't see libs and labour unless Corbyn falls on his sword
But he's so useless he would miss
A decent TBP performance doesn’t translate into seats though. They might pick up a few, but thanks to our FPTP system the main result of them splitting the Tory vote would just be to lose the Tories a lot of seats.
Depends if they have a non aggression pact with conservatives... Basically they don't stand against any conservatives but all remaining seats are divided up between them based on who has the best shot (eg brexit party in labour leave seats)
Farrage has spoke at length about this on several occasions
It will be about details then instead of pantomime and fireworks. And we know the media or 99% of MP’s are not interested in talking about details. Hopefully some adults will take over.
That’s dependent on the Tories running on no deal though, which they’ve just said they won’t do.
Is that official because an "un-named no10 source" (Cummings probably) pretty much said they would run on no deal yesterday
It’s the One Nation Tory group leader saying Boris promised them this in a meeting today.
I admire your optimism.
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Note right now.. remember when he told the one nation group he didn't like the idea of prorogation as well
The (alleged) Cummings brief yesterday said the effect of the Benn bill would be to force them to campaign on no deal and take the UK out on WTO terms... Then something smug about irony / unintended consequences
Gut feel they switch to no deal in the queen's speech and make it a confidence issue so they can remove the whip from any mp not signed up to it and then they are election pact ready for farrage
They've already had "No. 10 sources" distance themselves from this claim. The word is that there is not yet a decision on whether they'll run on a No Deal platform yet.
So let’s stop dicking about and get it done!
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Blair talking a lot of sense as usual when it comes to Brexit.
Let’s not waste anymore of anyone’s time and just revoke the fecker and we can all sleep soundly again
Touché
You can't say that in this forum...
I'll fix it for you
Something something red Tory... Mutter mutter Iraq... OOOOOOOOOH JEREMY CORBYN
That's the quickest way to resolve it. Any other method is going to take years.
Strawman argument.
The polls suggest that the public opinion has been changed after the lies the Leave campaign have been proven such. "The will of the people" was nothing more than 25-30% of the British population and it's numbers have dwindled. Meanwhile we have an unelected PM subverted the rule of law to push through a disastrous No Deal Brexit which will spread untold misery across the populace.
Grumble grumble Nicola Sturgeon
well Johnny Rotten reckoned anarchy was to 'give a wrong time, stop a traffic line'.
It was much more precise than that.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-to-talk-of-no-deal-brexit-manifesto-promise
Doesn’t mean he’s not lying of course, but if he is that’s 80 MPs who’ll be ready for another Tory civil war just before the election.
So. Do you think that getting it done is the end of it, especially a no deal getting it done ?
No. As others have rightly said, this won’t be done for years but the sooner we / politicians reach some kind of withdrawal agreement the sooner we can all move on. There has to be a way out of this perpetual madness.
Money is constantly taxed. Why should a company be taxed on profits if that money has already been taxed when I earned it, and again on VAT when I purchased their goods?
You already admitted it you're not against it in principle a few posts back, just for bigger sums. Now you say it makes no sense. Seems a classic case of "it makes sense as long as it doesn't apply to me".
We’ll negotiate a wonder deal with the EU.. oh hang on..
Brexit won’t endanger the Good Friday agreement.. errrmm
But it’s all the EU’s fault of course.
Basically we were told lie after lie by the Brexiteers during the referendum campaign. And we were sold one false promise after the other by the Bexiteers. Yet the Bexiteers have a point when it comes to the back stop?! What point is that, that the Brexiteers cannot be trusted with a single word they say??? What is the feckin World coming to?!
The whole Brexit thing is one big fiasco and the only ones to blames are the likes of Farrage and Boris.
It is precisely the problem of reaching a withdrawal agreement that is proving almost impossible.
You are right. There has to be a way out, but the level of compromise necessary is not made any easier by both sides blaming eachother.
What is astonishing is that of all the promises of utopia by leaving, I cannot remember anyone even talking about the Irish border and that is where the primary difficulty lies.
It could be argued though that staying in will not prove to be utopian either with further integration in the future.
No one knows either way what is best.
I’ve not said that at all and, if it was up to me I would abolish it completely. I certainly don’t think it should apply to people with fairly modest estates which is what labour are proposing.
Yes, it's incessant pro-Corbyn cheerleading in here, isn't it?
Blair does talk sense often. He also made some terrible mistakes. Iraq was one.
That is right. It is very much a personal decision.
I am not too concerned about further integration. We are already not part of the Euro currency or the Shengen agreement. The EU knows well the very strong opposition to federalism from the UK.
So too do our politicians which is why the public have never been given the option of joining or not. Successive governments signing treaties handing over more powers to the EU without public mandate was not the best way forward and here we are.
This is why some people are angry about our membership. It is why they are mainly older too, they have watched this happen.
Name a PM who hasn't made terrible mistakes.
Iraq aside, Tony Blair government was as good as any in my lifetime. Investment in the NHS and schools was of massive benefit.
We have had MEP's who have been elected have we not.
Look. I really do understand that there arguments for both sides.
My simple mind thinks that the economy is the most important thing.
And with an increasingly global trade, why leave on the biggest trading blocks, even bigger than the US by value.
That’s why I voted remain. I work for a global company that actually starts with the word Euro! I deal intrinsically with colleagues and clients in all corners of the EU. But I have family and a few friends that voted leave and I have to say I’m with them in some points of Brexit ... and none of them are racist, most of them are educated and all of them feel let down and angry.