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Holy shit, this thread is like the virtue signaling olympics.
Sorry I don't know how to tag everyone that picked up on this. I must have mistyped as I meant that there isn't a growing problem, as in it's not getting worse. I'm certainly not trying to claim that all homophobia is gone, that would be ridiculous as you all rightly pointed out.Absolutely howling at this by the way.
I'm not sure it's increasing to be honest, with more people comfortably out and less stigma around reporting actually being a victim and being willing to rightfully attribute it as a hate crime you would expect a big rise.How on earth is it increasing so much?
That’s quite terrifying
Be interesting if we can verify whether it is increased reporting, an increase or both.I'm not sure it's increasing to be honest, with more people comfortably out and less stigma around reporting actually being a victim and being willing to rightfully attribute it as a hate crime you would expect a big rise.
In some small way that's a positive that it's being labelled accurately and given the proper considerarions, despite obviously hate crimes being horrendous.
Unfortunately you would have to imagine in the grand scheme of things it's still under or inaccurately reported.
None of this distracting from the fact that anyone thinking there isn't a 'homophobia problem', whatever that means, lives on another planet.
That's a good point, thanksI'm not sure it's increasing to be honest, with more people comfortably out and less stigma around reporting actually being a victim and being willing to rightfully attribute it as a hate crime you would expect a big rise.
In some small way that's a positive that it's being labelled accurately and given the proper considerarions, despite obviously hate crimes being horrendous.
Unfortunately you would have to imagine in the grand scheme of things it's still under or inaccurately reported.
None of this distracting from the fact that anyone thinking there isn't a 'homophobia problem', whatever that means, lives on another planet.
Difficult as you can never really account for the unreported.Be interesting if we can verify whether it is increased reporting, an increase or both.
Trump's and Johnson's 'language'.Difficult as you can never really account for the unreported.
I truly think it's more increased reporting which is actually good. Though an increase wouldn't surprise you given the polemic direction of society.
Go on buddy, point out the virtue signalling.Holy shit, this thread is like the virtue signaling olympics.
I think it’s probably a bit of both too. I know people who have been attacked and felt there was no point in reporting it. Both verbal and physical abuse.Trump's and Johnson's 'language'.
I suspect it is a bit of both but you'd have to canvas LGBT to find out if they are increasing reporting or increasingly being attacked.
Try posting a coherent sentence before calling people morons.Go on buddy, point out the virtue signalling.
Coincidentally I have a their that anyone who uses the term ‘virtue signalling’ unironically is a moron. I look forward to you proving me wrong. To me it screams out ‘hey these people are more open minded than me, they mushave be putting it on to look good, it can’t be that I have no knowledge of the subject and support a shit football club’
You're calling someone else a moron, whilst at the same time insulting a Real Madrid fan for supporting a shit club, whilst being a fan of Swansea?Go on buddy, point out the virtue signalling.
Coincidentally I have a their that anyone who uses the term ‘virtue signalling’ unironically is a moron. I look forward to you proving me wrong. To me it screams out ‘hey these people are more open minded than me, they must be putting it on to look good, it can’t be that I have no knowledge of the subject and support a shit football club’
Nobody is advocating teaching young kids about sex.I'll indulge you @Cascarino; What's wrong with not wanting to pollute young kids' brains with sex at an age you don't find it appropriate yet? Not everyone is as progressive as the gang who piled on on Raess in this thread you know?
You seem to have a problem with the word virtue signaling but not much when words like bigot or homophobe are easily thrown around for people having a different opinion. How weird.
And before you say or think so, yes, the religious nutjobs who think homosexuality is a sin are even worse.
In a nutshell, you're all fecking bonkers.
How is letting children read a book about two male penguins rearing a child polluting their brains with sex? It’s utter bullshit. They’re not being taught the proper etiquette when it comes to fisting, they’re just being made aware that not everyone is heterosexual. And yet people are freaking out about it. fecking snowflakes.I'll indulge you @Cascarino; What's wrong with not wanting to pollute young kids' brains with sex at an age you don't find it appropriate yet? Not everyone is as progressive as the gang who piled on on Raess in this thread you know?
You seem to have a problem with the word virtue signaling but not much when words like bigot or homophobe are easily thrown around for people having a different opinion. How weird.
And before you say or think so, yes, the religious nutjobs who think homosexuality is a sin are even worse.
In a nutshell, you're all fecking bonkers.
Yeah clearly I think Swansea is a better and more prestigious football club than Real Madrid. Or maybe it was a joke. You can join people who use the phrase virtue signalling in the moron pile mate.You're calling someone else a moron, whilst at the same time insulting a Real Madrid fan for supporting a shit club, whilst being a fan of Swansea?
For reference, this is what the government website states;I'll indulge you @Cascarino; What's wrong with not wanting to pollute young kids' brains with sex at an age you don't find it appropriate yet? Not everyone is as progressive as the gang who piled on on Raess in this thread you know?
You seem to have a problem with the word virtue signaling but not much when words like bigot or homophobe are easily thrown around for people having a different opinion. How weird.
And before you say or think so, yes, the religious nutjobs who think homosexuality is a sin are even worse.
In a nutshell, you're all fecking bonkers.
Seems reasonable don't you think?Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT)
36. In teaching Relationships Education and RSE, schools should ensure that the needs of all pupils are appropriately met, and that all pupils understand the importance of equality and respect. Schools must ensure that they comply with the relevant provisions of the Equality Act 2010, (please see The Equality Act 2010 and schools: Departmental advice), under which sexual orientation and gender reassignment are amongst the protected characteristics.
37. Schools should ensure that all of their teaching is sensitive and age appropriate in approach and content. At the point at which schools consider it appropriate to teach their pupils about LGBT, they should ensure that this content is fully integrated into their programmes of study for this area of the curriculum rather than delivered as a standalone unit or lesson. Schools are free to determine how they do this, and we expect all pupils to have been taught LGBT content at a timely point as part of this area of the curriculum.
Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at a pretty early age.What's the issue with teaching kids about the variety of different types of relationships that exist in the world?
It does sound reasonable indeed, but it's a bit vague as 'age appropriate' differs from person to person and is completely subjective for the person teaching it.Seems reasonable don't you think?
Telling your daughter a man and a man or a woman and a woman can be together is nothing to do with sex.Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at pretty early age.
My daughter is 10 now, and both my missus and me still find it way too early to talk about anything sex-related. Which I'm sure most people in this thread will find ridiculous and old fashioned.
Thing is though, not everyone is as progressive as the people of northern europe and the US.
The irony of it all is that they are supposed to be the most open minded people but they can't seem to get their head around the fact that there's people with different opinions on these issues.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
The thing is though, denying kids this knowledge only leads to problems with understanding it down the line which can end up with them thinking that different is weird or wrong.Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at pretty early age.
My daughter is 10 now, and both my missus and me still find it way too early to talk about anything sex-related. Which I'm sure most people in this thread will find ridiculous and old fashioned.
Thing is though, not everyone is as progressive as the people of northern europe and the US.
The irony of it all is that they are supposed to be the most open minded people but they can't seem to get their head around the fact that there's people with different opinions on these issues.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
Has your daughter pointed out or mentioned the existence of non-heterosexual couples to you, in real life or on the TV?Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at a pretty early age.
My daughter is 10 now, and both my missus and me still find it way too early to talk about anything sex-related. Which I'm sure most people in this thread will find ridiculous and old fashioned.
Thing is though, not everyone is as progressive as the people of northern europe and the US.
The irony of it all is that they are supposed to be the most open minded people but they can't seem to get their head around the fact that there's people with different opinions on these issues.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
There’s a teacher I think in this thread suggesting kids should be taught where babies come from or how they’re made in year 5 or 6 (I disagree with that) I think that obviously has to talk about sex, unless they mean tell them the stalk story. So I can see where people are getting confuse with the age appropriate thing.Telling your daughter a man and a man or a woman and a woman can be together is nothing to do with sex.
I thought the same. It's hard to have a proper discussion without it being more clearly defined.It does sound reasonable indeed, but it's a bit vague as 'age appropriate' differs from person to person and is completely subjective for the person teaching it.
Year 5 and 6 is 10 and 11 in the UK. Kids are talking about sex long before then. I remember being on a field aged 8 or so and we were trying to decipher what an orgasm was.There’s a teacher I think in this thread suggesting kids should be taught where babies come from or how they’re made in year 5 or 6 (I disagree with that) I think that obviously has to talk about sex, unless they mean tell them the stalk story. So I can see where people are getting confuse with the age appropriate thing.
You'll figure it out one day Elvis.Year 5 and 6 is 10 and 11 in the UK. Kids are talking about sex long before then. I remember being on a field aged 8 or so and we were trying to decipher what an orgasm was.
You'll figure it out one day Elvis.
Fair enough, my kids 9 and in year 5.Year 5 and 6 is 10 and 11 in the UK. Kids are talking about sex long before then. I remember being on a field aged 8 or so and we were trying to decipher what an orgasm was.
As long as a kid doesn't have parents with extremely hateful views on these topics they will know that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Just like my daughter knows this without anyone having to tell her.Telling your daughter a man and a man or a woman and a woman can be together is nothing to do with sex.
Was the rest of your post a joke too?Yeah clearly I think Swansea is a better and more prestigious football club than Real Madrid. Or maybe it was a joke. You can join people who use the phrase virtue signalling in the moron pile mate.
I don’t find it ridiculous, even if I disagree with it. What I do find ridiculous is the idea of hiding non-heterosexual relationships from her. If she’s watching a soap with you and there’s a heterosexual couple, would that be acceptable? And a non-heterosexual couple? There’s nothing wrong with kids being made aware of the fact that there are non-heterosexual people in the world. It’s desperately required and one way to combat the overwhelming amount of ignorance that is bandied about the topic.Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at a pretty early age.
My daughter is 10 now, and both my missus and me still find it way too early to talk about anything sex-related. Which I'm sure most people in this thread will find ridiculous and old fashioned.
Thing is though, not everyone is as progressive as the people of northern europe and the US.
The irony of it all is that they are supposed to be the most open minded people but they can't seem to get their head around the fact that there's people with different opinions on these issues.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
That would be a weird thing to point out, no? Just like it would be weird to just point out a heterosexual couple.Has your daughter pointed out or mentioned the existence of non-heterosexual couples to you, in real life or on the TV?
As I didn’t copy and paste my post from a Mr Men book so that’s why it’s gibberish to yoyou mateWas the rest of your post a joke too?
If you don't speak to your daughter about sex you should at least tell her about menstruation, as the age of menarche is getting earlier and earlier. The average age is about 12, but there's a "normal" range of between the ages of 10 to 16. My mother was embarrassed about it all - I was given a booklet she must have had for 20 years, which told me next to nothing. Don't let your daughter face it without any preparation, it's scary.Nothing for you, same as you probably wouldn't see a problem in teaching kids about sex at a pretty early age.
My daughter is 10 now, and both my missus and me still find it way too early to talk about anything sex-related. Which I'm sure most people in this thread will find ridiculous and old fashioned.
Thing is though, not everyone is as progressive as the people of northern europe and the US.
The irony of it all is that they are supposed to be the most open minded people but they can't seem to get their head around the fact that there's people with different opinions on these issues.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
ffs, of course it would be ok. See, that's exactly what I mean, some of you can't make a distinction between someone with conservative views on a particular topic and a raging homophobe.I don’t find it ridiculous, even if I disagree with it. What I do find ridiculous is the idea of hiding non-heterosexual relationships from her. If she’s watching a soap with you and there’s a heterosexual couple, would that be acceptable? And a non-heterosexual couple? There’s nothing wrong with kids being made aware of the fact that there are non-heterosexual people in the world. It’s desperately required and one way to combat the overwhelming amount of ignorance that is bandied about the topic.
Yeah.. exactly my point. These types of threads are always full of condescending posts like these. They honestly don't help anyone. Not trying to be a dick either.You complain about everyone getting defensive and militant on some football forum, and while that must be very hard deal with and my heart goes out to you
I can see both sides, even though my opinion itself is not sat on the fence. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with making children aware that other relationships exist at a young age, nor do I see anything wrong with letting young kids know that it’s ok to want to wear a dress or do things outside the norms of your biological sex. Those things at a basic level can only do good, and I’ll bet there’s a lot of people reaching adulthood now who wish they’d had access to that sort of reassurance when they were starting out. I certainly wouldn’t align myself with the people who say “what next? Teaching them how to finger properly?”. There’s no actual sex education going on for kids younger than about 10 as far as I’m aware, and I don’t think there’s going to be anytime soon, and as long as it’s kept that way I don’t really see an issue.As I didn’t copy and paste my post from a Mr Men book so that’s why it’s gibberish to yoyou mate
Do yo honestly think the problematic views in the thread are the ones ‘virtue signalling’?
Holy shit, this thread is like the virtue signaling olympics.
And then you complained thatIn a nutshell, you're all fecking bonkers.
Everyone gets so defensive and militant so quickly, it's fecking ridiculous.
Maybe you should follow your own advice ?These types of threads are always full of condescending posts like these. They honestly don't help anyone. Not trying to be a dick either.
The thought alone makes me shiver tbh. I'm afraid that will be a talk for the missus, which I'm sure she'll be having soon enough.If you don't speak to your daughter about sex you should at least tell her about menstruation, as the age of menarche is getting earlier and earlier. The average age is about 12, but there's a "normal" range of between the ages of 10 to 16. My mother was embarrassed about it all - I was given a booklet she must have had for 20 years, which told me next to nothing. Don't let your daughter face it without any preparation, it's scary.
Once you've had the talk about menstruation, the talk about human reproduction kind of leads on from that!
ffs, of course it would be ok. See, that's exactly what I mean, some of you can't make a distinction between someone with conservative views on a particular topic and a raging homophobe.
Tarring everyone with the same brush isn't helping anyone, nor the actual discussion itself. This way you are pushing people further away, I know it's a cliche but it's true.
I think his point is that what's being discussed in the OP of this thread amounts to the same thing. The protests are extending to anger that books that even feature homosexuality (i.e a book about two male penguins raising a chick) are in the schools. Which is different to objecting to sex (i.e the actual mechanics of how it works) being taught.ffs, of course it would be ok. See, that's exactly what I mean, some of you can't make a distinction between someone with conservative views on a particular topic and a raging homophobe.
Tarring everyone with the same brush isn't helping anyone, nor the actual discussion itself. This way you are pushing people further away, I know it's a cliche but it's true.
Yeah.. exactly my point. These types of threads are always full of condescending posts like these. They honestly don't help anyone. Not trying to be a dick either.