The "problem" is that the players stopped playing for him. If you cant see that then your head is under the rock.
I know, nothing is ever his fault.
Well first of all you yourself dont sound convinced that he's a top manager, because you immediately had to pull up Ole's record to compare with
A lot of them have overstayed their welcome. Poch included. Time to part ways. The players need a new coach and Poch needs a bigger challenge.
He has also been found out tactically imo. He is one dimensional and the opposition adapted. Ole is 2-0 on him btw.
You think that's the problem? Christ you're lost
Only trolls and people who don’t understand football thinks that Poch is to blame. Best to just ignore them.
Not 5 years at United though. He was in Norway before he went to Cardiff, then back to Norway. Before that U23 manager at United. He won trophies in Norway and the U23s.
Are you actually comparing Ole to Poch
Not far off no, he's a very good coach but I'm not certain he is in that elite bracket or will ever be. Still I wouldn't say no to him being at United.
I didn't say that. I didn't discredit his achievements at all, just stated my opinion of him and how I think he stacks up to the best managers.
Arbitrarily trying to narrow the window of relevant comparison to one that suits your candidate. This is intellectual dishonesty at its finest. It's not going to work here
I posted this in the Spurs thread yesterday, it's a really good watch.
Champions League final. Can’t ignore facts.
This is the only part that I'd agree with. Not every club that performs poorly is because of players downing tools or losing faith in their manager. In this case however, it definitely is. No matter what you think of the players, they got to a CL final last season and should not be getting blown away by the likes of Brighton and struggling against the winless team at the bottom of the table at home.
What's the feeling amongst Spurs fans generally? To the majority want him to stay or go?
I don't know any in real life now who want him to stay. Still a very healthy respect for the man and his accomplishments at the club, but a vast majority now have seen week in week out that the squad no longer play for the manager, and when that happens there's nothing you can really do unless you fully back the manager to rebuild, but since Pochettino doesn't even want to be here for that .. we only have one option.
There was shit that happened during the summer which de-stabilised the dressing room, and it has feck all to do with who the manager is. You can't just keep going "oh they are playing crap so it must be that they aren't playing for the manager". Half these players want to leave Tottenham regardless of who the manager is anyway.
You want the worlds most defensive manager here?
That actually doesn't mean he's a bad manager in general. It's that his time at Spurs is up.
It's a red flag. Especially for a manager who's strong point is supposed to be motivation, man management, squad building etc
On that logic let’s appoint Roy Hodgson? He pisses all over everyone when it comes to experience and CV. But we all know we don’t want him for various reasons. It’s all down to opinion mate but I’m sick of the slating our manager gets on here it’s ridiculous considering this is a united forum. If poch was manager I’d support him just the same. But he’s not and it’s really up for debate if he’s better placed to be so given his career and “achievements”
Rather have Jose back than that defensive bloke, he's the exact opposite of what we should be looking for.
Klopp was in the same spot by the time he left BVB. We said that many times previously.
On what logic? I think you've lost sight of what was being discussed before you waded in
It'll be a big defeat at Liverpool next week and then he will be sacked. We will be close to relegation at that point and there's no way the club can justify keeping him on with no improvement looking remotely likely.
If he got sacked by you I'd take him right now. You can take Ole.
That's a good point on Klopp. It's going to be interesting to see what happens at Liverpool ones the curent team runs it's course. Will he handle a good rebuild or will everything crush and crumble like it did in Germany?
Only time will tell, but now that it's been mentioned, I'm really struggling to think of a manager in recent years who's managed to build & then rebuild a squad when needed. Perhaps Simeone is in the process of it, but Klopp/Pep/Poch/Allegri & co never have. Is SAF really the most recent example of a top-level manager pulling off a successful rebuild? Why is it so hard?That's a good point on Klopp. It's going to be interesting to see what happens at Liverpool ones the curent team runs it's course. Will he handle a good rebuild or will everything crush and crumble like it did in Germany?
Some managers cand be very good at building a team and having a good 2, 3 years but rebuilding and keeping the players motivated is the true mark of a great manager, like SAF. Poch has failed at this it seems, hope Klopp will to
Think that's a fair assessment. Both players and manager seem like they've reached the end of their journey at Spurs. Needs some freshness definitely.
Maybe it's just a sign of our times - an era of short attention spans and promised instant gratification - that players & managers can't focus for years at a time (i.e. the span of a manager's career at a club)? People get bored, distracted, restless and ambitious more easily than in previous decades.Tommy said:
I think You can't overhaul a whole squad and you only need a few dissenting voices that have lost some motivation for it spread in the team.
And why not?Are you actually comparing Ole to Poch
No premier league club goes fishing for managers on the basis of them winning the Norwegian League or anything like it. It's just not valued and not used as an adequate baramoter of how good a manager is. When Saints hired Poch it was outrageous. But then he shut the haters up as the Saints outplayed United every time and became a comfortable top 10 team playing good stuff. He made the team and players better
I do think it also goes beyond simple focus. Tactically he's still sticking with methods that don't work with the personnel we currently have, but did work back when he first took over at the club.
He didn’t have any genuine success in the first 4 years though.
