Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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AC1689

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Didn’t you guys know that all you need to be a world class manager is....

....time.

Yes folks, that’s the secret ingredient. Forget anything else. Man management skills, tactical nous, footballing intelligence. Not needed. Just stay doing the job for long enough and you’ll be the next Alex Ferguson.

We could have saved ourselves a lot of money and hardship if we’d have just hired any Tom, Dick or Harry off the street instead of Moyes over 6 years ago and let them have the time needed to become world class.
 

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Completely outclassed today by Partizan Belgrade. Romero and Williams were the only highlight and somehow we managed to come away with a clean sheet.
 

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2 shots on target v Liverpool, 1 shot on target v Partizan.

Whatever Ole’s selling, I ain’t buying it.
 

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I just hope we'll get rid before Jan so next manager can at least choose 1 or 2 useful signing to help him for the second half of the season.
 

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Those Ole fanboys, would you still defend him with your inch of soul if he is some random bloke named Joe Schmo and not a club legend ?
 

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Still on the side of “keep” sacking him tomorrow morning would be a stupid decision only a moron would make.
 

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We'll defo become the next Liverpool if we keep hiring and firing managers..hiring the next best European manager because he did reasonably well in Spain/France, then jumping back to hire somebody who is young and did okay in England.. then feck that, let's try a man who has managed all over Europe... blah blah blah.. 30-years of it. No manager given the appropriate time it would take to turn the ship around ... until they tried another manager who was hot from Europe- this time Germany.

He finished 7th in his first season.. had a 39% win record... but did they sack him, like we would have? No. They kept with him, kept with him, kept with him., kept with him.. 4 years later he now manages arguably the best team in the land.

Time and patience is the only way back to the top,

Hiring and firing is a recipe to be the next Liverpool.

I'm gonna say it this way: I would MUCH rather be where we are now as a club, than where we were 2/3/4 years ago. Yes we mighta been better on the pitch, but we were going nowhere, no plan, no identity.

Now at least we have a clear plan we are working towards, we are so clearly trying to earn our identity back.... Yes, it will take 3-4 years for us to get back up there. But that is much better than it taking another quarter of a century which is what would happen if we keep firing and hiring.

Do I think Ole will win Prem League titles for us? No - I actually don't But I think he will restore the club to how it needs to be and when the time comes in 2-3 years to hand it over to a manager who will bring us back to the top, the squad and club will be in great shape... Whereas, if we keep firing and hiring, the squad will be messy as feck and the club will be in dire straits. Just like it has been the past 2/3/4/5 years. We all agree we want no more of that. Yet so many fans are calling for exactly that....

...Is there anything more ridiculous than a Man Utd fan who wants Ole out and Allegri in right now? It's as if they've never watched football in their lives. Or if they have, they have learned nothing from watching it.

I want my club back before I want trophies back.

It's only gonna be ideal to see us winning titles if we are winning them as Man United. Not as Chelsea playing in red.. hiring and firing and hiring and firing and then stumbling upon a title.. No thanks. I wanna give our club and manager the time it takes to ensure we are never Chelsea again.. as we have been for the past 5 years. Those who want Allegri in want us to be Chelsea.. those who want Ole to stable the ship and get us back to being Manchester United want us to be Manchester United.
Delusion...Just another side effect of this horrible footy Ole is putting out.
 

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Fundamental flaw in this long term reboot is what is actually happening on the pitch. No emphasis has been placed on the style of play, the coaching and attacking football.

The football is absolute dross and all the talk of culture and running more won’t change that. Ole will take this club backwards the longer he is here and whoever replaces him will still have to try and bring this club into the modern era. We haven’t evolved and our managerial appointments reflect that.
 

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I want Ole gone asap, it probably wont happen but I am completely fed up with this tumescent shite football.

This is the worst we have been at the general basics of football in my life time.
 

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Keep keep keep

3 defeats in 13 games while getting rid of fellaini, lukaku, Sanchez etc

Bissaka, James and maguire all good

Europa qualification positive

10 straight wins here we come
 

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We are totally fecked all the time he’s kept on. Depressing fecking times.
 

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We are totally fecked all the time he’s kept on. Depressing fecking times.
You realise we’ve only lost 3 times this season in all comps?

Do you even know how many clubs have better records than that at this stage?
 

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I’d rather shave my balls with a chainsaw than see him finish out the season.
 

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You realise we’ve only lost 3 times this season in all comps?

Do you even know how many clubs have better records than that at this stage?

That is nothing to be excited about when you are sitting in 14 place in the league while playing the most mind numbingly shite football and can’t score more than one goal a game.

Non existent tactics, no discernible style of play after 10 months in charge and not a single player has improved under him.

Ole should never have been appointed on a permanent basis.
 

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Keep keep keep

3 defeats in 13 games while getting rid of fellaini, lukaku, Sanchez etc

Bissaka, James and maguire all good

Europa qualification positive

10 straight wins here we come
Since when did success at man united start getting judged by less number of defeats? (we won the league in 2009 with more defeats than Liverpool)

He's won 5/13 games (including a penalty shootout against Rochdale). That's a less < 40 % win record.
 

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That is nothing to be excited about when you are sitting in 14 place in the league while playing the most mind numbingly shite football and can’t score more than one goal a game.

Non existent tactics, no discernible style of play after 10 months in charge and not a single player has improved under him.

Ole should never have been appointed on a permanent basis.
Yet 5 point on 5th, everyone is losing their mind of a poor start during a major changeshift.
 

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That is nothing to be excited about when you are sitting in 14 place in the league while playing the most mind numbingly shite football and can’t score more than one goal a game.

Non existent tactics, no discernible style of play after 10 months in charge and not a single player has improved under him.

Ole should never have been appointed on a permanent basis.
This.
 

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Since when did success at man united start getting judged by less number of defeats (we won the league in 2009 with more defeats than Liverpool!)?

He's won 5/13 games (including a penalty shootout against Rochdale!).
No one said it was gonna be easy or pretty but this work needed doing, if and when this turns out well this place is gonna be ashamed.
 
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Unable to watch the match tonight but aren't surprised to hear we were dull and uninspiring - that's the norm for United these days. However, a few points to consider for those that want Ole sacked due to the tedium of the football:

If we keep chopping and changing managers, then you need to accept that whoever we get in, the football won't improve much if at all in terms of attractiveness with this current squad.

The reason is simple - Moyes, LVG and Jose were all mostly dreadful in the transfer market. The players from the Fergie era that retired or left due to age around the time/shortly after his departure e.g. Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, were replaced with a wealth of expensive flops.

We’re now lumped with far too many of two types of players (a) mediocre post-Fergie signings on inflated wages, that are difficult to shift for this reason, and (b) certain relics from the late Fergie era that should’ve been put out to pasture years ago (Young, Jones, until recently Smalling etc). No manager can play easy on the eye football with this squad as it’s just not very good, owing to mistakes made by previous bosses.

So all we can judge Ole on so far, IMO, is his business in the transfer market. And it was clearly our best post-Fergie window, not in terms of quantity but certainly in terms of quality (or potential quality) and age demographic. We signed McGuire, AWB and James this summer, and only 3 months in it’s evident that all 3 are likely to be good or even excellent players here. That's a huge positive. Selling Lukaku without a replacement was a huge cock-up though, admittedly (more on that in a bit).

The quality of football is what we should’ve expected given that around half our players were part of the squad under at least 2 of our 3 last Managers, with virtually all of this group being equally bad or at a similar standard under all.

We're currently in a phase where our league position can be attributed to a single factor rather than loads of things going wrong; Lukaku departing and not being replaced. We have one of the best defences in the league (at least statistically). Our problem is that we don’t score goals. The biggest issue you can have in football, yet the most fixable with the addition of just one reliable goal-scorer.

Find a good one (doesn’t even need to be a great all-round CF, a short-term fix will do at this moment in time) and I think we’d be a 4th-6th place standard team – nowhere near what a club like Manchester United should be aspiring to, but perfectly in line with what we should expect results wise until the squad can be further improved in future transfer windows.

If this post seems a bit contradictory at times, to sum things up:

1. Terrible signings by Moyes, LVG and Jose has led to a poor squad.

This has been a much bigger problem than other factors often cited as main causes of our decline e.g. tactical weakness/poor coaching, mismanagement of personalities, wrong footballing philosophy etc. This is evident by a lot of our players failing under multiple coaches, and our football being just as ponderous and predictable under all (though Moyes may be the exception as I believe he was just an all-round average manager/coach, and because he performed so poorly with almost the same squad that Fergie won the league with the year prior.

2. Results and quality of football since Fergie (or at least since LVG took over) have been around par for the course considering our squad. We’re a 4th-6th placed quality team during this entire period. No Manager could make this squad play excellent football (except for when Pogba is at his absolute best and in sync with our attackers. Sadly this rarely happens as Pogba is immensely talented but extremely erratic, not to mention lacking in football intelligence. Martial and Rashford are simply OK, but not good enough to lead the line for Manchester United – Rashford may become an excellent footballer in 2/3 years, but if this happens it's probably more likely to be as an 11, whereas Martial is unlikely to become a great CF, or great anywhere else on the pitch.

3. We’re not operating at our 4th-6th standard under Ole due to not replacing Lukaku with a reliable goal-scorer. One bad mistake that has cost us dearly, but not a sackable offense if our league position goes back to its norm once someone is brought in (which may not happen until next season if we can’t get Manduzic on loan).

4. But Jose finished 2nd, I hear you cry – doesn’t that mean we aren’t a 4th-6th placed standard team after all?

We’re a 4th-6th placed level team under any Manager that tries to play decent football with the players at their disposal.

The only way we can finish higher without further reinforcements is under a highly successful pragmatist e.g. Mourinho, Simeone, possibly Conte), yet I don’t believe there are many out there that want to bring in someone who won’t be interested in playing good football at any point in his tenure, even on the slim chance they manage to accumulate their ideal squad.
 

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No one said it was gonna be easy or pretty but this work needed doing, if and when this turns out well this place is gonna be ashamed.
Please answer me one question my friend, what earth makes you think he can turn it around?

I’d love to see Ole make it here as a manager, I really would, but everything points to him being massively out of his depth and just not good enough.

There is no disgrace in that at all.
 

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No one said it was gonna be easy or pretty but this work needed doing, if and when this turns out well this place is gonna be ashamed.
So explain to us what is the plan to make it happen. Energy? Players who “get” the club? Play Lingard as 10 or as forward? Give it to Rashford? Let Rashford take all free kicks?

Everything I am seeing is Ole trying to be chums with the players. I still don’t see a boss in Ole. Not in his interviews, not in the tactics, not on the field. He is lightweight and some of our players need a boss that will command respect.
 

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Long term plan not paying dividends after a couple of monthes = sack him :rolleyes:

Ole took over a team in a mess the likes of which no united team has been in since the 70s .

A team with no confidence no belief and a complete lack of fitness thanks to Mourinho. Since then we got a bounce that you would expect from a team desperate to see the back of Mourinho that was never going to last as it was still the same team he has gotten rid of players that were not good enough and wasting money . He has promoted youth and his buys have been good .

Off course you are not going to see free flowing football and goals galore right now . This is a major rebuild and will take time as strangely enough long term plans do tend to take time before you see results

It beggers belief that people honestly expect overnight miracles when we have spent the past six years lumbering from one disastrous reign to another
 
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No one said it was gonna be easy or pretty but this work needed doing, if and when this turns out well this place is gonna be ashamed.
Goal posts are being shifted. When Ole was hired during peak euphoria, we were promised man utd will be competitive. Now the narrative has been changed to him needing to gut the squad of all the bad culture so we can rise again (which is ironic considering Lingard is one of his favorite players)
 

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So explain to us what is the plan to make it happen. Energy? Players who “get” the club? Play Lingard as 10 or as forward? Give it to Rashford? Let Rashford take all free kicks?

Everything I am seeing is Ole trying to be chums with the players. I still don’t see a boss in Ole. Not in his interviews, not in the tactics, not on the field. He is lightweight and some of our players need a boss that will command respect.
Well im no fan of lingard clearly but I think it’s a lack of options that leads to his inclusion not really the managers fault, who we got elsewhere attacking midfield wise?

Can blame previous managers for him I think.

Interviews are more positive than the last 3 pricks.

If a player can’t respect the winning goalscorer of the infamous treble then I don’t want the fecking player.
 

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You realise we’ve only lost 3 times this season in all comps?

Do you even know how many clubs have better records than that at this stage?
We've won 1 of our last 7 games.

We've won 6 of our last 25 games.

We've won 1 away game since March.

How many clubs have a better record than that? How many have a worse record than that!
 

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Long term plan not paying dividends after a couple of monthes = sack him :rolleyes:

Ole took over a team in a mess the likes of which no united team has been in since the 70s .

A team with no confidence no belief and a complete lack of fitness thanks to Mourinho. Since then we got a bounce that you would expect from a team desperate to see the back of Mourinho that was never going to last as it was still the same team he has gotten rid of players that were not good enough and wasting money . He has promoted youth and his buys have been good .

Off course you are not going to see free flowing football and goals below right now . This is a major rebuild and will take time as strangely enough long term plans do tend to take time before you see results

It beggers belief that people honestly expect overnight miracles when we have spent the past six years lumbering from one disastrous reign to another
Incredible framing.

There aren't probably many expecting overnight miracles as you put it, but a shot on target here and there, some movement and available passing options so the team look coached would be nice. Would you call that a miracle? Are you perhaps a meta-level humorist :D
 

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Goal posts are being shifted. When Ole was hired during peak euphoria, we were promised man utd will be competitive. Now the narrative has been changed to him needing to gut the squad of all the bad culture so we can rise again (which is ironic considering Lingard is one of his favorite players)
Lingard is a bum and won’t be being played next season, when he got the post after the run thinking was different to what it is now.

We need rid of more than half our squad still, would you think any top manager is coming in to do that job easily?
 

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As much I hate to say it, he is the worst manager in the post Sir Alex era. I am not going to be blinded by romanticism and sentimentality. OGS the player and OGS the manager are two completely separate entities to me. I have friends who are Cardiff fans and they're seeing the exact same things play out at Utd as they did at Cardiff... Nice guy but shit manager with laughable tactics and giving the impression that he's way in over his head (even at Cardiff level)... also they weren't too kind on his transfer policy at Cardiff too, with some of his transfers leaving a bad taste in their mouth.

Almost everyone knows it at this point. How in god's name there are some people still thinking he can turn it around is astounding. Just because one guy went through a tough time at the club once doesn't mean he's going to fecking dominate 20 years of domestic football once he rides through it.

He's had over 10 months with the squad and there's no improvement in style of play from dreary and drab play and not one player has visibly improved under him. Any fan of any club in the entire football pyramid wouldn't happy with that and I'd agree with them. You don't get three years off the bat to basically get free license to be as bad as possible in a job... Respect and time is earned and not given. If he gets us playing well and improves players then the fanbase will give him respect and time to get it right. If you can't pass the probation period so to speak then I'm sorry you have to go because it isn't the right fit for you.
 

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Well im no fan of lingard clearly but I think it’s a lack of options that leads to his inclusion not really the managers fault, who we got elsewhere attacking midfield wise?

Can blame previous managers for him I think.

Interviews are more positive than the last 3 pricks.

If a player can’t respect the winning goalscorer of the infamous treble then I don’t want the fecking player.
To be a good boss it’s not enough to be a legend as a player. He also needs to deliver a good hairdryer when necessary.
 

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We've won 1 of our last 7 games.

We've won 6 of our last 25 games.

We've won 1 away game since March.

How many clubs have a better record than that? How many have a worse record than that!
Forget last season it’s done, we never went back to previous seasons before Ole to complain or gloat. just because he’s the first proper interim we have have had in about half a century
 

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Long term plan not paying dividends after a couple of monthes = sack him :rolleyes:

Ole took over a team in a mess the likes of which no united team has been in since the 70s .

A team with no confidence no belief and a complete lack of fitness thanks to Mourinho. Since then we got a bounce that you would expect from a team desperate to see the back of Mourinho that was never going to last as it was still the same team he has gotten rid of players that were not good enough and wasting money . He has promoted youth and his buys have been good .

Off course you are not going to see free flowing football and goals below right now . This is a major rebuild and will take time as strangely enough long term plans do tend to take time before you see results

It beggers belief that people honestly expect overnight miracles when we have spent the past six years lumbering from one disastrous reign to another
Most posters in favor of sacking Ole are not expecting miracles from the current squad. What we're seeing is that we're playing 3 men defense against Partizan, failing to beat Rochdale in 90 minutes, lacking any kind of cohesive link up play etc.

I'm okay with Ole grinding out results till we get better players but we aren't exactly grinding results out either. He has a 39% win record so far. We haven't scored more than a goal in 12 games (out of which a few have been penalties), the defensive victories we grind are never truly deserved either (it isn't like peak Mourinho with Chelsea where 1-0 meant the game was over).

I kind of get giving him time but it's the lack of evidence of a plan / coaching which concerns me. He's making the same mistakes as his predecessors while having some weird fetish for buying and favoring only British players.
 

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He's literally the worse manager in the Premier League. And he's in charge of rebuilding Man United. Even Liverpool gave up a on senile Dalglish quicker than we will wake up to this nonsense.
 

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I’d rather shave my balls with a chainsaw than see him finish out the season.
You better hope we enter a relegation fight at some point this season because that's the only way Ole will get sacked. Your balls are in serious danger otherwise.

Why a chainsaw if you don't mind me asking?
 

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You better hope we enter a relegation fight at some point this season because that's the only way Ole will get sacked. Your balls are in serious danger otherwise.

Why a chainsaw if you don't mind me asking?
I was just being silly mate to reinforce my point that I’d rather endure excruciating physical agony than endure the mental torture that the Solskjaer appointment is putting me through.
 

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I was just being silly mate to reinforce my point that I’d rather endure excruciating physical agony than endure the mental torture that the Solskjaer appointment is putting me through.
Well, that's reassuring to hear. I was concerned for a minute there.

We don't shave with chainsaws. We just don't do it.
 

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People say this is the worst we have looked in the post Fergie era, but defensively i think its probably the best and we have not even had a full strength defensive for 99% of the season. And when we lose its not like we are getting battered by teams.

The issue is we dont have a decent midfield to keep the ball, nothing compared to what the previous 3 managers had to choose from. From today's game Partizan were just playing the ball between the lines with minimal effort and the defensive was dealing with it with relative easy for the most part considering how much pressure they were being put under. Go back to the Liverpool game, when the midfield had ran itself into the ground, the avaiable replacements were Mata and Garner :houllier:
Make it through to the January window with Ole, and hopefully recruitments can come in, as what he has done in the market has been good imo, something i can never say about the previous 3 managers
 
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