Ronaldo came to United as #7 meaning the other guy was already gone
Beckham to Real was around 18 Jun 2003
Ronaldo to us was around 12 August 2003
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
- Status
Beckham to Real was around 18 Jun 2003
Ronaldo to us was around 12 August 2003
15th in the table now but don't worry Ole has got this 
Same summer, but before we signed Ronaldo mate.
We didn’t win a title for 3 years. I’m not sure he was right. He managed his way out of it well though and the stars aligned for him. It was at no means a master plan. Beckham’s replacement was Ronaldinho and if Beckham never turned down Barcelona we would have got him. As pointed out we got Ronaldo in the August but Fergie was more than happy to go into the season with Solskjaer as our right winger if the players never got humiliated by Ronaldo. So in related a lot of luck came into play.
Yes we are talking about Lingard hence why I don’t get why you care so much.
Permanent manager comparisons. Who is the odd one out?
Win Rate
Solskjaer: Win Rate - 24%
Mourinho: Win Rate - 58.33%
Van Gaal: Win Rate - 52.43%
Moyes: Win Rate - 52.94 %
Ferguson: Win Rate - 59.67%
Goals scored per game:
I bolded them in case anyone had difficulty.
Win Rate
Solskjaer: Win Rate - 24%
Mourinho: Win Rate - 58.33%
Van Gaal: Win Rate - 52.43%
Moyes: Win Rate - 52.94 %
Ferguson: Win Rate - 59.67%
Goals scored per game:
Solskjaer: Goals Scored - 0.84
Mourinho: Goals Scored - 1.69
Van Gaal: Goals Scored - 1.53
Moyes: Goals Scored - 1.68
Ferguson: Goals Scored - 1.85
Goals conceded per game:
Solskjaer: Goals Conceded - 1.32
Mourinho: Goals Conceded - 0.84
Van Gaal: Goals Conceded - 0.95
Moyes: Goals Conceded - 1.04
Ferguson: Goals Conceded - 0.91
Mourinho: Goals Scored - 1.69
Van Gaal: Goals Scored - 1.53
Moyes: Goals Scored - 1.68
Ferguson: Goals Scored - 1.85
Goals conceded per game:
Solskjaer: Goals Conceded - 1.32
Mourinho: Goals Conceded - 0.84
Van Gaal: Goals Conceded - 0.95
Moyes: Goals Conceded - 1.04
Ferguson: Goals Conceded - 0.91
I bolded them in case anyone had difficulty.
I am not even a United fan but feckoff tbh
Crikey! It really isn't a good idea conceding more than you score.
He's so far out of his depth it's ridiculous. How people can defend him is beyond me.
I love how you actually took the time and effort to make your skewed stats. Do you also contribute to Trump's campaign by any chance?
A permanent manager role is different from a temporary role. It is better to compare them as permanent managers, particularly when there is such a disparity of results between when he was a temp and after he became permanent.
He has been the permanent manager for 25 games now (it is a significant period of time now). Do you think that record is good enough over 25 games?
Brainless sentimentality is the only reason Ole was given the job in the first place, and also the only reason he's still clinging on to it now.
His win rate at Man United is 47.6%, it still stands out enough for you to make your point. I just find it amusing because the other managers never had a caretaker period for that to matter.
But Moyes, van Gaal and Mourinho didn't get the club like he does, did they?
Give him 6 years, he will outdo Fergie, who had the same time.
Then why people got angry when I said he prefers the millions over united's place? I am not judging him. He has the full right to hold on to his contract.
I feel that that period was too much of an aberration to include it. Had those results been interspersed with the terrible ones we are getting now you could include them as you could put it down to inconsistency. When the separation is so distinct, it doesn't really make a lot of sense to include them. The real drop off came when he became permanent manager, also.
True, 47.6% is still bad compared to the others, though.
But he just needs time and patience.
I would do the same, I would never resign. Some fans need to learn to see things from another perspective than their own
Because part of our fan base( who want Ole to stay) are too romantic and too unrealistic. They think that Ole is doing us a favour by being here and that he is not here because of money. Since day one there is opinion how Ole will resign if things go south.
Of course that he will not resign. And why would he? With resigning he is giving away millions of euros and one of the best jobs in the world of football for what? For low payed job in Norway league. People forget that after United, Ole is finished on highest or even some mediocre level of football. Top7,8 leagues are out of his reach so he will fight for this job until last seconds
It's not his job to resign. The club and the board are the ones who are in charge of assessing his performance.
Ridiculous isn’t it. Surely he’s gone if we lose tomorrow. This is unsustainable.15th in the table now but don't worry Ole has got this
I don’t think so considering what Woodward has been saying lately.
Yes, because in the world of managers, success is not about talent and quality. It is about time. You pick random manager and in 5 years he will win the league. This is how i see current opinion about OleBut he just needs time and patience.
Data is not going to win over the faithful, mate. Their ecstasy is in their belief/delusion/wumming.
Correct on both points mate.
He survived loss against Newcastle which came after losing against West ham and drawing against Arsenal, AZ and Rochdale.
So after that i am not sure what to expect from our board
Sadly that won't cost him his job. I don't have any idea at what point the board say enough is enough. It'd be a massive embarrassment and climb down for them to do it. They are literally hoping things turn around. From that perspective it's a pathetic situation for a club of our size to be in. Shame on them.
So what if (if) he ends up winning the PL this season, and the CL next season, along with the Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup this season. And then the Charity Shield and UEFA Super Cup at the start of next season?
Come on. What IF he does that? I mean it’s perfectly feasible.
What’s your issue then ey?!
What if (if) Lingard wins the Ballon D’or next season? (no more ridiculous than the suggestion Ole will one day be a world class manager)
Shall we be a bit more realistic... What if (if) we actually manage to score more than ONE goal in a game?! What if (if) we actually look like we have a game plan?! What if (if) we improve our win rate above 22.2% in the league?! What if (if) we start managing to beat teams like Rochdale (w/o pens) and Newcastle?!
This fergiesarmy is verging on troll levels.
Fergiesarmy... what if (if) you got more than ONE like after 81 months and 2,405 posts on the caf, making you a full member?! Then it would suggest your quality of posts is better than infantile.
What if indeed...
I wouldn't complain if he were sacked, but what does permanent manager comparisons mean?
Club legacy and relationships aside, there will come a point where the board will sack him if results don't improve. They are business men at the end of the day and it would look 100% worse if they didn't look to change something at the right time when they have the choice.
When the managers were permanent. Temporary manager is a different job; there is a reason so many fail after being appointed permanently even if they were successful as a temp.
I discarded the results from his temporary position. Also, they have proved to be an aberration.
Permanent manager comparision? Give me a break. What's next? Sunny day comparision? Monday evening kickoffs? If you are going for facts then you should not leave any facts out. You are taking facts out of its context so it can back you up. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer win percentage is 47,52%. 1,42 in goals scored. 1,07 in goals conceded. Period. Still under post-Fergie managers.
However I like that you compare without looking at other things. For example players. While Fergie, Moyes, vanGaal and in some way Mourinho had big world class players Solskjaer is stuck with average players. But that maybe is not important for you because it would suddenly make some sense why we are struggling.
No doubt some people on here would feel that we should extend his contract, so he has time to improve.
I've said this many times before, but as a club, we are performing poorly, from top to bottom. Ole is just one person who is performing badly.
The entire board should be fired, for allowing the last 6 years to happen.
The owners should also sell up.
Then we have management who are fighting with 1 hand tied behind their backs, but are still under-performing.
The coaches (Carrick and McKenna), since they were joined our backroom staff, have known nothing but poor performances, sacking, and wretchedly bad performances.
If Carrick and McKenna are sacked, I don't think they'd find coaching jobs in the top 3 tiers of the English league. Absolutely dire and should be sacked. Truly the worst coaches (results-wise) the club has ever seen.
Then we have the players - don't get me started.
And our physios/medical team, who have managed to see several players injured. And lets not forget that these people allowed Rooney and Lukaku to get fat. Both players moved to other clubs and were immediately asked to lose weight.
Ole is the worst manager we have had in many decades, but almost everybody in our club needs to be replaced....not just him.
As the season progresses, his win rate will drop until he is fired.
The point stands that he is unequivocally, the worst manager, post SAF.
Even the much maligned Moyes is better.
I've known many people like this.
They write a lot. They use long words. They try and sound intelligent, but they really aren't. Quite the opposite, actually.
You may fool some people, but not me.
Nice try though.
He chose to go into the season with those average players. Or is there an excuse for that too? If he had a budget he should not have blown 130m on two defenders. AWB was needed but Maguire wasn't the final piece of the jigsaw and that money should have been used to improve our attack or midfield.
If he loses tomorrow, he'll still stay.
He'll be all smiles, no doubt.
I've said that he won't make Jan 1st 2020 as our manager and I stand by this. I think December will be his last month with us.
The problem is that if he does get fired, it won't change anything.
If i were a betting man i think we will drop points tomorrow. Lose on Wednesday and drop points again next weekend. I dont think Ole can survive that.
I can only go by what i have seen so far.
I can only go by what i have seen so far.
I get so much attention from you guys - call me out unprovoked with your @s and everything. What exactly is it I've said that upset you all so much? I'm just curious here - you seem so rattled.I've known many people like this.
They write a lot. They use long words. They try and sound intelligent, but they really aren't. Quite the opposite, actually.
You may fool some people, but not me.
Nice try though.
Right... So statistically, still the worst manager we've had since SAF then?
Also even if it’s 47% it is only 23 over the last 25 games which is long enough to say that it is our level as that is over half a season.
I want a win big time tomorrow but if we don’t I hope I wake up too good news on Monday morning as this record would get you sacked at a mid table club in any league
- Status