There’s no NYE event listed yet so these two could easily fight again within 7 weeks imo- and since Usman and Covington fight two weeks earlier, they could easily time a winner of those two v Madvidal or Nate sometime in the spring.
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Those cuts looked bad can't see him sparring for at least a month. I'd say February at the earliest for the rematch
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Masvidal is a glorious madman 
And Nate is always an entertaining fight, even when he gets beaten from corner to post
Masvidal should defend his BMF belt against Ngannou
And Nate is always an entertaining fight, even when he gets beaten from corner to post
Masvidal should defend his BMF belt against Ngannou
His cardio is a bit of a myth though. He's been in 2 five round fights and lost them both.
Nates defensive tactics of not moving with punches and turtling up till the punches stop finally caught up with him
I wouldn't say it's a myth, all judges in the McGregor fight had Diaz winning the fifth round for instance. I understand where you're coming from though.
I wanted masvidal to win because I am a massive fan of his, borderline fanboy maybe. But... I honestly thought Nate would win tonight, somehow. I thought Nate's chin, cardio and BJJ would do it but I was so wrong. Masvidal tore him apart. I reckon Masvidal could've ended it much earlier if he wanted to.
Well that was BS. Was a good fight and did feel like going in to the later rounds Nate would probably step up the pace and preasure. Best bit was when Nate was on his back and had Masvidal locked and was just smacking him and said What’s up!!
Needs a rematch, if I was Masvidal I would have turned down that belt because how can the BMF really accept the belt off of a doctor stoppage. Saying that Masvidal looked awesome.
Till vs Gastelum. That judge who gave it to Gastelum with a 30-27 needs fired. Ridiculous.
Wonderboy, Masterclass, incredible.
Needs a rematch, if I was Masvidal I would have turned down that belt because how can the BMF really accept the belt off of a doctor stoppage. Saying that Masvidal looked awesome.
Till vs Gastelum. That judge who gave it to Gastelum with a 30-27 needs fired. Ridiculous.
Wonderboy, Masterclass, incredible.
Disagree. Was a good fight and it seems Nate underestimated Jorge a little. A rematch would be good value.
Oh no my boy Gregor got slept 
Zero value in a Nate Jorge rematch beyond a good watch and this stupid BMF shite.
Masvidal should be moving onwards and upwards, it was conclusive.
Masvidal should be moving onwards and upwards, it was conclusive.
Having great cardio doesn’t mean he would’ve won, just that Masvidal wouldn’t have had the speed and unpredictability advantage he had over Nate early on in the later rounds, which is the sort of thing Nate would’ve been able to exploit. Ive seen plenty of times where Nate won fights despite his own face being caked in blood on the way to winning.
Even in the third when Nate finally put a punch or two together Jorge went back to the body and utterly stopped him.
It's so kind to Nate to predict any sort of outcome other than more punishment and a stoppage, which Masvidal wasn't even pushing for I don't think.
All the chat and gesturing, he wanted to milk it for as many rounds as possible to feed the BMF hype and put on a show.
There’s a massive financial advantage for both of them and the UFC to fight again since Nate is one of the biggest PPV draws in the sport and both fighters would get points, which let’s face it, is what they are after. Nate won’t be fighting much longer and both of them want to earn the big money paydays that have eluded them for most of their long careers.
Literally anything can happen with Nate though. Conor seemed in control in the early rounds of their first fight until Nate connected from seemingly nowhere and within seconds Conor was on the ground tapping out.
A good watch is exactly why there is value
Exactly. Nate is very unpredictable and never out of a fight.
From what I saw Masvidal absolutely schooled him. Nate took a battering and still managed to stay in the fight which was impressive but Masvidal was never in serious trouble though. I've not felt sorry for nate diaz for a while but tonight I genuinely feared for his health and that's why I'm happy the doctor stopped it.
I don't think they will fight again and I dont see why they should. This fight was purely an excuse to make money, Diaz and Masvidal have no animosity towards each other.
It was fun to watch but I cant see the appeal in watching Masvidal punch Nates head in again for a made up belt.
Couple of other interesting fights to make at WW would be Masvidal v Edwards or Woodley.
Edwards or the winner of Colby vs Usman. I think I read somewhere that Woodley and Masvidal are pals or something.
Another interesting one might be Wonderboy again since Wonderboy was the last one to beat him however it
probably makes more sense to wait for a title shot and if not that then Edwards. If it’s money then there is no bigger fight in that division than running It back with Nate.
Conor was in control but totally gassed himself showing off and couldnt put Nate away, Jorge was not in any risk of the same I don't think. As I said, when Nate got a small amount of respect back he went right back to the body and completely took the air out of him.
Its just a pointless fight, it'll be the same result!
In a great division you could have Edwards, Woodley or Colby/Usman, running that back is just a waste of time other than for the payday which is fair enough but I've no massive interest in seeing Masvidal feck him up again.
A good auld slog fest but Jorge picks him apart again.A good watch is exactly why there is value
Move on!
Edward's v Masvidal. Got to make this. Kudos to Jorge, he showed some precision boxing tonight, though I felt (hoped) Nate would come on strong in the last 2 rounds as we know he can.
One thing is for sure Jorge won't find Leon so easy to hit and he himself could find himself literally out pointed and himself punching thin air. Leon I'd make a strong favourite for that one.
Was actually happy to see Lee win. What a fecking KO. Holy shit. Finally he got his shit together. Let's see what this guy can really do now. His career can really start now
Thompson moved like a ninja in there, with his Loma-eaque side steps and shot laser guided pistols towards Lique's head. Technically the most impressive fighter of the night IMO.
FFS Gastelum, what a damp squid. Never got going......let down of the night.
One thing is for sure Jorge won't find Leon so easy to hit and he himself could find himself literally out pointed and himself punching thin air. Leon I'd make a strong favourite for that one.
Was actually happy to see Lee win. What a fecking KO. Holy shit. Finally he got his shit together. Let's see what this guy can really do now. His career can really start now
Thompson moved like a ninja in there, with his Loma-eaque side steps and shot laser guided pistols towards Lique's head. Technically the most impressive fighter of the night IMO.
FFS Gastelum, what a damp squid. Never got going......let down of the night.
Nate said he came into the fight with his cut from the Pettis fight not fully healed, so despite Masvidal looking great, there’s a pretty strong sentiment fights like this should be decided in the Octagon and not by arbitrary Doctors decisions. This is why I think they will fight again - the fans were disappointed and the money is too good for all parties involved.
Yeah Gastelum was a massive disappointment, good job by Till to up his game though.
Gregor fecked my entire card up, I would have been quids in
As a fan, I hope they don't have a rematch. For them it is a nice payday but the whole thing was farcical. Nate, having smashed Pettis then calls out masvidal (very respectfully) and said Jorge masvidal, who was in the crowd, had "a great last fight" referring to the 5 second KO against askren.
I was looking forward to the fight because I love Masvidal and it was funny seeing Nate Diaz calling himself a gangster and masvidal a gangster but that he ain't no west coast gangster. It reminded me of when I thought I was from Compton after playing san Andreas and listening to NWA when I was 12 years old. honestly I like the diaz brothers but I cant take Nate seriously and the whole bmf thing is just ridiculous. The rock aswell, maybe I'm too british and boring.
The only saving grace for me was that he doctor stopped it and didn't give a feck about the show. He was there to do his job.
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I just cant see it. Masvidal dominated him for 15 minutes and Nates face was so cut up he wasnt allowed to continue.
There simply isnt any grey area here.
Nate wasnt in that fight at all and a rematch is simply a cashgrab for all involved.
Pfffft it was a graze. C'monnnnnnn!
That would make more sense if Masvidal won the fight on merit and not by way of an arbitrary decision made by a NY doctor. One would also have to question whether a doctor in another state would've stopped the fight since the NY doctors are a bit new to MMA there.
Fight panned out as I expected. Jorge looked a cut above, in all honesty. Nate looked slow, plodding and ponderous. Landed very little of note, fought at Jorge’s pace and crucially, ate a lot of heavy shots.
Jorge on the other hand looked loose, brought way more tools to the table, quick as a cat and even looked like the stronger man (think he even alluded to feeling that himself after the fight).
Should the fight have been stopped in that manner? Probably not, especially by MMA standards.
Would the fight have had a different outcome if it continued? For me, almost certainly not.
Jorge was robbed of his crowning moment & Nate gets to make excuses now and posture for a rematch. The reality is, Jorge made him look pedestrian for 3 rounds and did not look like slowing down. Read the blogs, listen to the posturing, interviews and hypotheticals, but crucially, trust what you saw when you watched the fight - Jorge made it look pretty straightforward.
Jorge on the other hand looked loose, brought way more tools to the table, quick as a cat and even looked like the stronger man (think he even alluded to feeling that himself after the fight).
Should the fight have been stopped in that manner? Probably not, especially by MMA standards.
Would the fight have had a different outcome if it continued? For me, almost certainly not.
Jorge was robbed of his crowning moment & Nate gets to make excuses now and posture for a rematch. The reality is, Jorge made him look pedestrian for 3 rounds and did not look like slowing down. Read the blogs, listen to the posturing, interviews and hypotheticals, but crucially, trust what you saw when you watched the fight - Jorge made it look pretty straightforward.
I would believe this if Dom wasnt literally warning about the stoppage minutes before it happened. If Dom sees it then it isnt that arbitrary, its just people blinded by the BMF let them bleed buildup imo. Its why Nates made up late round cardio is doing the rounds just to add something to it.
Nate couldnt see out of his eye for the entire third round, hes constantly wiping away blood and Masvidal seemed to be timing the wipes.
Its a problem thats plaguing mma, if someone isnt well beat or if a hyped fight hasnt got a crystal clear winner then rematch is shouted from rooftops.
I wouldnt want it stopped but i can see why so its fair enough. Nate had nothing for him so nobody was really robbed, and there was real danger that if Masvidal caught the eye between the two cuts that his left side of his face could literally be ripped off.
Edit Dana said Nate is out for a really long time and needs plastic surgery to recover.
If its not so close to his eye he gets away with it.
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So funny reading stuff after the event. I've never seen a fighter get such a pass as Diaz in the last few weeks. Dodgy drug test....not his fault, gets battered for a whole fight and it gets stopped but he was about to get going so deserves s rematch. It's funny the bias that's involved but cos he's a well liked fighter no one bats an eyelid
Just saw the fight. Even as a relative novice, I agree with everything you say.
Though I’m glad the fight was cut short as the eye injury looked like it could get a whole lot worse.
Of course. Fighter safety is paramount. It’s easy for people to criticise and poke holes in the decision; however, it’s not their health and wellbeing at risk. Like gambling, it’s so easy to play with other people’s money - in fighting, it’s easy to dictate what should/shouldn’t happen when it’s not your brain being rattled and your face being busted up.
There’s such a stigma in MMA that cuts should not ends fights and that the towel should not be thrown in. Well, Nate Diaz is one of the toughest men to ever grace the Octagon and he’s had both of these things happen to him - The towel came in in the Josh Thomson fight and then obviously last night. If it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone. These guys are so tough, they will never quit on themselves, so sometimes it demands a medical practitioner/loved one/trusted cornerman to decide when enough is enough.
Talk of Nate back by Feb seems wildly optimistic. That'd be the time frame for someone without an ocean of scar tissue that barely allows surface level healing. Even if cleared to go back in because superficially he looks healed, a few solid shots in place and he'll tear like wet paper.
The miles on the clock to blocking punches with your face have finally caught up with him, besides, he didn't look in the same class as Masvidal, who was dicking around a lot in there and the moment Nate tagged him a few times in the third, he got far nastier and destructive.
If the fight was allowed to go on Nate would've ended up looking like a patchwork quilt as, with serious head on, Masvidal would have homed in on that eye.
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Walker goes back in the pack; looked shell-shocked and baffled that someone else was the aggressor. Disappointed.
Gastellum just falls short every time he needs to step up a gear. I always thought he was a future champ of the division, but have my doubts now as his proverbial wall is more in evidence the times he falls short.
Till, my opinion on him hasn't really changed from way back in the thread, and the humbling few fights prior to this convincing win have done him the world of good. V2.0's journey starts now.
Wonderboy, anyone who has done martial arts should have a measure of awe for what he does and appreciate how difficult it is to pull off. Dana shit-boated the guy and sent him down the river for being 'boring' and Wonderboy lost his way and his confidence to some degree because of that and started trying to fight in an atypical fashion to appear more entertaining or what have you. I'm glad he's shedded that skin as in his own style, he's still way up in the division. Dana won't give him a shot so I guess Wonderboy will get a number of really difficult fights after another in the hope he's defeated eventually.
Rozenstrulk,. ROZENSTRULK!! SMASH!!!
Crazy k.o. from Lee.
Great card.
The miles on the clock to blocking punches with your face have finally caught up with him, besides, he didn't look in the same class as Masvidal, who was dicking around a lot in there and the moment Nate tagged him a few times in the third, he got far nastier and destructive.
If the fight was allowed to go on Nate would've ended up looking like a patchwork quilt as, with serious head on, Masvidal would have homed in on that eye.
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Walker goes back in the pack; looked shell-shocked and baffled that someone else was the aggressor. Disappointed.
Gastellum just falls short every time he needs to step up a gear. I always thought he was a future champ of the division, but have my doubts now as his proverbial wall is more in evidence the times he falls short.
Till, my opinion on him hasn't really changed from way back in the thread, and the humbling few fights prior to this convincing win have done him the world of good. V2.0's journey starts now.
Wonderboy, anyone who has done martial arts should have a measure of awe for what he does and appreciate how difficult it is to pull off. Dana shit-boated the guy and sent him down the river for being 'boring' and Wonderboy lost his way and his confidence to some degree because of that and started trying to fight in an atypical fashion to appear more entertaining or what have you. I'm glad he's shedded that skin as in his own style, he's still way up in the division. Dana won't give him a shot so I guess Wonderboy will get a number of really difficult fights after another in the hope he's defeated eventually.
Rozenstrulk,
. ROZENSTRULK!! SMASH!!! Crazy k.o. from Lee.
Great card.
I'm glad on the bolded point, he seems a proper dick to be honest.Talk of Nate back by Feb seems wildly optimistic. That'd be the time frame for someone without an ocean of scar tissue that barely allows surface level healing. Even if cleared to go back in because superficially he looks healed, a few solid shots in place and he'll tear like wet paper.
The miles on the clock to blocking punches with your face have finally caught up with him, besides, he didn't look in the same class as Masvidal, who was dicking around a lot in there and the moment Nate tagged him a few times in the third, he got far nastier and destructive.
If the fight was allowed to go on Nate would've ended up looking like a patchwork quilt as, with serious head on, Masvidal would have homed in on that eye.
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Walker goes back in the pack; looked shell-shocked and baffled that someone else was the aggressor. Disappointed.
Gastellum just falls short every time he needs to step up a gear. I always thought he was a future champ of the division, but have my doubts now as his proverbial wall is more in evidence the times he falls short.
Till, my opinion on him hasn't really changed from way back in the thread, and the humbling few fights prior to this convincing win have done him the world of good. V2.0's journey starts now.
Wonderboy, anyone who has done martial arts should have a measure of awe for what he does and appreciate how difficult it is to pull off. Dana shit-boated the guy and sent him down the river for being 'boring' and Wonderboy lost his way and his confidence to some degree because of that and started trying to fight in an atypical fashion to appear more entertaining or what have you. I'm glad he's shedded that skin as in his own style, he's still way up in the division. Dana won't give him a shot so I guess Wonderboy will get a number of really difficult fights after another in the hope he's defeated eventually.
Rozenstrulk,
Crazy k.o. from Lee.
Great card.
Gastelum is a weird fighter, strikes me as osmeone who has real poor discipline hence the constant struggles to cut weight.