Shitty cynical foul but not particularly dangerous. Just very unfortunate.
Well said. The arguments that went on in the last 2 pages are baffling!I mean TF y’all going on about oh he didn’t mean it, or it would have been a non event if nothing happened. Wake up ya shites - it happened and Most likely will result in the end of Gomezs career.
Seriously?!
Dirtiest team in the league. When things are not going their way they go rogue, by instruction no doubt. Scumbags.
Son isn't a dirty player - but what he did could potentially ruin Gomes' career. Even if it was possible, to overturn that decision would be to spit in Gomes' face. Son deserved the red card and the 3 match suspension he will get.
Agreed. It was one if those terrible piece of luck.Except this is bullshit because Son’s tackle didn’t cause the injury. It was a piece of terrible luck in the collision with Aurier which caused it.
Son made a tackle you see every week. Punishing him because Gomes got hurt is ludicrous, and no it wouldn’t be spitting in his face, it would be accepting that in a contact sport bad injuries can happen and aren’t always someone’s fault.
Son clearly felt awful and was in bits. He hasn’t intended anything like this. Everybody who has played football at any level has made a bad tackle which in a freak incident could lead to a horrible injury. What happened to Gomes was incredibly unlucky, people are reacting like Son has gone in knee high and studs up. He doesn’t deserve the same ban as players get for genuinely horrible, malicious tackles.
This, the tackle in and of itself is never a red, and you cannot just upgrade to a red because an injury came out of it. That would lead to incredibly stupid scenarios like getting sent off for a shirt pull because the player slipped and fractured his ankle after said shirt pull. Or an accidental swinging arm broke someones nose, straight red, quite often you have to put your arms out to balance yourself. Cannot be sending people off for these sorts of incidents. Whether a challenge results in an injury or not is not relevant to adjudicating whether a card is being produced.That’s never a red come on. It’s ac yellow at most. You can’t upgrade a foul because an unfortunate injury comes from it. You need to treat fouls & tackles the same, & not upgrade it to a red because someone gets injured
Yes seriously. You’re being ridiculous.This is ridiculous. People on here actually defending and sympathising with Son? really?
I mean, the guy cleared rash tackled him with intent. Gomez got wiped out brutally whether he fecking meant it or not and the fact is it resulted in the horrible atrocious injury.
On top of that, bloody spurs are known to be playing a dirty game.
I For one have absolutely no sympathy for anyone in the sours dug out. The guy should be fined and banned.
I mean TF y’all going on about oh he didn’t mean it, or it would have been a non event if nothing happened. Wake up ya shites - it happened and Most likely will result in the end of Gomezs career.
Seriously?!
Son didn’t break the leg but his tackle caused the injury. Because of his tackle, Gomes crashed into Aurier who then stamped on the ankle (maybe accidentally). In isolation it wasn’t a red card worthy but not sure if we can view this incident in isolation.Except this is bullshit because Son’s tackle didn’t cause the injury. It was a piece of terrible luck in the collision with Aurier which caused it.
Son made a tackle you see every week. Punishing him because Gomes got hurt is ludicrous, and no it wouldn’t be spitting in his face, it would be accepting that in a contact sport bad injuries can happen and aren’t always someone’s fault.
Son clearly felt awful and was in bits. He hasn’t intended anything like this. Everybody who has played football at any level has made a bad tackle which in a freak incident could lead to a horrible injury. What happened to Gomes was incredibly unlucky, people are reacting like Son has gone in knee high and studs up. He doesn’t deserve the same ban as players get for genuinely horrible, malicious tackles.
So it’s not a red then.Son didn’t break the leg but his tackle caused the injury. Because of his tackle, Gomes crashed into Aurier who then stamped on the ankle (maybe accidentally). In isolation it wasn’t a red card worthy but not sure if we can view this incident in isolation.
okSo it’s not a red then.
Haha I welcome our robot overlords.Not remotely a red. And if VAR now retroactively imposes a morality clause based on outcomes, it's like AI has taken over the foundations of football refereeing.
How is Son's challenge not the cause? He didn't break the leg but he played big part for sure. His foul from behind caused that injury, Gomes lost his balance and then crashed into Aurier who also made a strong tackle.Tweet
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Not a red card tackle for me but 100% a shithouse way to bring a player down on the break with zero chance of winning the ball.
I remember so clearly being livid that Dries Mertens only got a yellow card for a situation very similar to what you describe.Just as an example, if a player pushes other player, its barely a yellow card worthy but if a player pushes other player to the post, which causes head injury, then surely it's considered dangerous play and worth more than just a foul?
Yeah, so going by this logic in this thread, it wasn't Merten's mistake. He just pushed him which is very common on the pitch, it was Joe Hart who injured Cahill. Yellow was very harsh.I remember so clearly being livid that Dries Mertens only got a yellow card for a situation very similar to what you describe.
England were playing their final world cup warm up friendly against Belgium. Cahill was defending a ball over the top, shepherding it back to Joe Hart when the attacker (Mertens) gave him a blatant two handed shove in the back, causing him to collide with Hart. The ball fell loose and Mertens put it in the empty net. The ref immediately booked Mertens and disallowed the goal.
Should it have been a red? The other England CB that night (Lescott) said "that was endangering an opponent far worse than most two footed tackles" and I agree him him.
Cahill's jaw was broken and he missed the world cup.
I'm not too sure. I mean do you remember the game against Chelsea when you were losing the title to Leicester? I'm not sure if it was just players just getting out of their way to play like that. In general I think the aggressiveness you play with is very much down to the manager and systematic fouling spread among the team is big part of it.A) We were in the lead when this tackle happened.
B) Do you genuinely think Pochettino is deliberately instructing players to fly in to bad tackles when we’re losing?
I don't watch Spurs games regularly so can't comment on how dirty they are in general, but I remember that 2016 match when they were chasing Leicester and needed to keep winning to stay in the race they drew at the Bridge and after surrendering a two goal lead and it turned ugly. That's the game Clattenburg later talked about.I'm not too sure. I mean do you remember the game against Chelsea when you were losing the title to Leicester? I'm not sure if it was just players just getting out of their way to play like that. In general I think the aggressiveness you play with is very much down to the manager and systematic fouling spread among the team is big part of it.
He just tripped him really, doesn't look like a red to me. And he didn't cause the break anyway it was Aurier?How is Son's challenge not the cause? He didn't break the leg but he played big part for sure. His foul from behind caused that injury, Gomes lost his balance and then crashed into Aurier who also made a strong tackle.
Just as an example, if a player pushes other player, its barely a yellow card worthy but if a player pushes other player to the post, which causes head injury, then surely it's considered dangerous play and worth more than just a foul?
Yeah, in my example, Player didn't cause the head injury, it was the post.He just tripped him really, doesn't look like a red to me. And he didn't cause the break anyway it was Aurier?
You’re missing the point that you can’t go upgrading punishments for innocuous fouls just because it results in a serious injury. You need to treat every foul in isolation on its own individual merits.How is Son's challenge not the cause? He didn't break the leg but he played big part for sure. His foul from behind caused that injury, Gomes lost his balance and then crashed into Aurier who also made a strong tackle.
Just as an example, if a player pushes other player, its barely a yellow card worthy but if a player pushes other player to the post, which causes head injury, then surely it's considered dangerous play and worth more than just a foul?
No, red card should be given for the deliberate fouls which leads to serious injuries. It wasn't just a 50-50 ball where player broke his ankle like Valencia did, Son clearly tripped him which caused this injury. He was the cause for the injury.You’re missing the point that you can’t go upgrading punishments for innocuous fouls just because it results in a serious injury. You need to treat every foul in isolation on its own individual merits.
Otherwise you could give reds for every foul in the future because it could lead to a serious injury. It’s ridiculous. Every match will be abandoned at 10 mins due to too many players being sent off.
So all fouls that are deliberate should be reds for them all?No, red card should be given for the deliberate fouls which leads to serious injuries. It wasn't just a 50-50 ball where player broke his ankle like Valencia did, Son clearly tripped him which caused this injury. He was the cause for the injury.
This is when you should just stop.So all fouls that are deliberate should be reds for them all?
How can you possibly know that for starters if it’s deliberate or not & secondly Son should get a red because his foul unfortunately leads to an injury? I don’t get it
You can't tackle, people can die. You can't drive, people can die. Etc. This was a freak accident. Mertens pushing Cahill into a player is WAY more deliberate. How the feck can't people see that? If you send your daughter to prom,and she get's stabbed, is that your fault? Is it a womens fault for getting raped if she had a cleavage? NO. Is it Son's fault that the butterfly effect of his 'middle-of-the-park-tackle' was Final destination-ish? Come the f on... Btw, spurs are dirty and vile.Yeah, in my example, Player didn't cause the head injury, it was the post.
Sure, all are sameYou can't tackle, people can die. You can't drive, people can die. Etc. This was a freak accident. Mertens pushing Cahill into a player is WAY more deliberate. How the feck can't people see that? If you send your daughter to prom,and she get's stabbed, is that your fault? Is it a womens fault for getting raped if she had a cleavage? NO. Is it Son's fault that the butterfly effect of his 'middle-of-the-park-tackle' was Final destination-ish? Come the f on... Btw, spurs are dirty and vile.
No, but I painted a f'ing picture of how the world would be if your view of the butterfly-effect was logical, using the worst examples. That was because that is the easiest way to make most people,with reflective minds, see how their own logic faulters. Not for everyone though. Let's throw Son in jail as well, he clearly planned for Aurier to come in exactly like that with their twin-telepathy. Hm, where does that leave Aurier?Sure, all are same
No..because what you’re saying is illogical. Why should Son be punished just because his foul leads to an injury?This is when you should just stop.
fecking hell, no one is talking about butterfly effect here, it's simple case of player deliberately fouling player which lead to serious injury. It all happened in just 1-2 seconds, not something like player tackled and then play went on for an hour and then something happened.No, but I painted a f'ing picture of how the world would be if your view of the butterfly-effect was logical, using the worst examples. That was because that is the easiest way to make most people,with reflective minds, see how their own logic faulters. Not for everyone though. Let's throw Son in jail as well, he clearly planned for Aurier to come in exactly like that with their twin-telepathy. Hm, where does that leave Aurier?
Answer is in your post itself.No..because what you’re saying is illogical. Why should Son be punished just because his foul leads to an injury?
Your argument is illogical & nonsense
He's right though. The idea that if you've two identical fouls and one leads to an injury and the other doesn't, means the former gets a red and the other gets a yellow, makes no sense. Rules are rules and you can't just mess with them for different scenarios.Answer is in your post itself.
2 fouls are not identical though. It shouldn't be taken in isolation. Thats why I gave example of pushing someone to the post, same foul in isolation, it's just pushing the player but it's not really same foul with context.He's right though. The idea that if you've two identical fouls and one leads to an injury and the other doesn't, means the former gets a red and the other gets a yellow, makes no sense. Rules are rules and you can't just mess with them for different scenarios.
Oh dear. How can you not understand you need to treat every tackle on its individual merits and not just what happens after it?Answer is in your post itself.
You are too thick to understand anyways, just a waste of posts.