Well it truely did this time.
Are Spurs the dirtiest club in the league?
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It's a stone wall red. No matter of the injury outcome, it's a cynical, rash, uncontrolled challenge which endangered an opponent, which by the letter of the law is a red card.
So? That's got nothing to do with being dirty. Diving is dirty play and he does a lot of it. He also wastes time when it suits him. That's dirty. As for the tackle, it was a tackle from behind into the standing leg with the ball not being close. Absolutely a dirty tackle.
Son did a tackle you see every game. It's a mistake to do it behind the player but it wasn't malicious.
With that said, I'm physically sick since thid accident.
With that said, I'm physically sick since thid accident.
First of all, it's hard to analyse because there isn't much footage of the tackle.
The first challenge from Son looks sneaky because there is no attempt to play the ball. His studs might have raked down Gomes' ligaments.
It was the second challenge from Aurier that caused the snap. He was overly committed to the tackle and couldn't pull out. His weight lands on the player's lower leg and Aurier's momentum forces Gomes' leg it into an unnatural position.
Both players are equally responsible, but I don't see any malicious intent from either to cause a serious injury.
The first challenge from Son looks sneaky because there is no attempt to play the ball. His studs might have raked down Gomes' ligaments.
It was the second challenge from Aurier that caused the snap. He was overly committed to the tackle and couldn't pull out. His weight lands on the player's lower leg and Aurier's momentum forces Gomes' leg it into an unnatural position.
Both players are equally responsible, but I don't see any malicious intent from either to cause a serious injury.
Look you've your opinion and you're welcome to it. I'm not sure why you're so adamant I have to share it?
I see Son play regularly and in my opinion, he's not a dirty player. I don't think he dives as much as you're making out and I don't think that was a dirty tackle today. It was a tackle from behind and you could say it was cynical, but it wasn't what I would consider to be dirty or malicious.
I could easily rattle off 6 or 7 dirty Spurs players but I just don't think he's one of them. One horrific and really unlucky injury doesn't change that.
Spurs are dirty in general but feel for Son. He’s a likeable guy & his foul was just a standard one you see in the game. He’s clearly cut up about it
Red for me - he has no chance of taking the ball he just smashes into Gomes from behind. It's not a particularly ugly tackle - but it's clearly a retaliation
Yeah you could - but there is a difference between making an honest attempt to take the ball and plowing someone down from behind with no chance of getting the ball
Spurs are tolerated by the referees because of the English stars they have. Has been the case for years, which has made them dirty indeed.
Didn’t the ref book Son first and then put up the red card? Seemed like he was in two minds himself!
He issued a yellow and changed it to red when he saw the extent of the injury. Which according to the Premier League is the correct interpretation of the rules.
I'm adamant that you have to share it? Do you have exclusivity on replying? You said you didn't find him dirty, I responded with how I see him and what I find dirty. You're welcome to think what you want, I just figured to expand on my point as I wasn't sure you would equate diving to being dirty.
It kind of does. The tackle itself was completely needless. He comes in from behind and takes the guy out. Obviously not trying to injure him but it's a deliberate foul and a dangerous tackle. There's the whole injury made it seem worse argument, but my reaction to the initial tackle was literally to say "fecking hell that was a bad challenge" and that was before realising it had caused any injury.
These things happen far too often with them. You have teams who kick people or get involved in petty incidents but with Spurs the go to always seems to be nasty tackles. They've been in the spotlight more than once before. Pochettino has already had to apologise publicly for his team's behaviour in a pre-season game this year.
It's almost like Spurs have made it into a culture. If you're in a bad mood or upset how things are going, just fly into opposition players. It isn't on Son. There's probably 10+ Spurs players who've made similar tackles, most of them multiple times. It's on Pochettino and the officials for not making it clear it's not acceptable. This should never have gone beyond that game at Stamford Bridge a few years back where both Clattenberg and the FA refused to take the action they should have.
Not saying it's responsible for the injury today but maybe if the Spurs players had it clear in their minds that they should have more regard for opposition player's safety, Son thinks twice about flying in to tackle someone from behind who's already running at speed.
Except that this is not traffic rules.
Cards are not given based on severity of injury. They are given based on the risk of injury and intent to hurt.
If I tackle someone cleanly with no malicious intent, got the the ball but the followup broke his leg. Am I liable to be sent off?
It seemed to be fairly widely accepted that Cooks' tackle on Rashford at the weekend was yellow on the basis that Rashford took evasive action. So I don't think it's as black & white as that.
Yeah fair enough. I was having the same discussion somewhere else at the same time so you probably took the brunt of me not being able to multitask!
Fair enough.
Any time you dive into a challenge from behind with your studs showing, you run the risk of causing a serious injury to your opponent.
That's as clear a red card as they come for me. On what grounds could Spurs appeal the decision?
Sons was never a red..you can’t send someone off because their tackle unfortunately leads to a serious injury.
It was a foul, maybe a yellow. Nothing more.
It was a foul, maybe a yellow. Nothing more.
That’s never a red come on. It’s ac yellow at most. You can’t upgrade a foul because an unfortunate injury comes from it. You need to treat fouls & tackles the same, & not upgrade it to a red because someone gets injured
He wasn't sent off for the resulting injury, he was sent off for something along the lines of reckless endangerment.
So you require an on-field diagnosis before you can determine the severity of the penalty?
I don’t buy that. They changed it after Gomes got injured. They wouldn’t have upgraded it to a red if he hadn’t.
it’s never in a million years a red & if it happened to United I’d be fuming
This is a matter of opinion.
Let me ask you this, on what grounds do you think Spurs could appeal the decision?
Because if you look at the tackle in isolation (as you should) it’s barely a yellow. No way is it dangerous or anything. Cynical perhaps but yeh it’s a yellow.
I think if you look at the sequence of events, then the ref's decision might be more understandable. Just before that happened, Gomes elbowed Son in the face, which caused him to stay down for a couple of minutes and prompted a VAR review for a red card. Then the next minute he's chasing him down and lunging at him from behind. The challenge itself is never a red but in this case I wouldn't call it harsh, because of the retaliation.
Cheers, Son's crying. Nice one.
If he hurt Rashford he would have been sent off but that is where inconsistency in the rules come in because that was a red card offence anyday.
But I get your point, its more of combination of factors. Judging fouls is also human perception thing, thats why players milk it all the time.
Son only threw Gomes off balance, Aurier is the one to blame for the injury. I hope this is closely reviewed by a commission and he gets what he deserves. Stupid player.
On the grounds that the referee decided upon a yellow card, and then changed his mind to a red card upon inspection of the severity of the injury. This despite the fact that the injury was caused in the end by Aurier.
Had Aurier not come in as he did, the injury would never have happened and the yellow card would have been shown to Son and accepted by literally everyone. To retrospectively change a yellow card to a red card because of the actions of a third player is unfair, regardless of the final outcome.
Thats not how it works though
as a Spurs fan I can assure you there are more than a few of us hoping this happens and results in a season long ban for Aurier.
Eugh, just saw the highlights. If Pochettino ends up managing United I hope he holds off instructing his players to be violent.
As a PSG fan, i can totally relate... His Periscope video is still famous here...
The appeals process? Yeah I don't think they'll be successful in an appeal - not with the severity of the injury incurred. That doesn't make it the right decision for me.
I haven’t seen it properly to judge whether it’s a red or not. But sending a player off balance and out of control into a collision with another player is reckless. I have little sympathy for anyone who receives a red in such a scenario.Son only threw Gomes off balance, Aurier is the one to blame for the injury. I hope this is closely reviewed by a commission and he gets what he deserves. Stupid player.
I highly doubt there is anything like this in the rules
I think it's a yellow, but a borderline red and he can't really complain given he comes in from behind with no chance of getting the ball.
The reason I'd lean towards yellow is there isn't much force in the challenge, it's almost as if he changed his mind half way through
The reason I'd lean towards yellow is there isn't much force in the challenge, it's almost as if he changed his mind half way through
Not a red. Bad luck. Horrible scenes. Move on.