Well it truely did this time.What even is this? You could make a solid case that any challenge is 'endangering a players safety'.
Well it truely did this time.What even is this? You could make a solid case that any challenge is 'endangering a players safety'.
So? That's got nothing to do with being dirty. Diving is dirty play and he does a lot of it. He also wastes time when it suits him. That's dirty. As for the tackle, it was a tackle from behind into the standing leg with the ball not being close. Absolutely a dirty tackle.What kind of fouls? The ones where he slides in fairly innocuously and the opponent falls into another arriving player at the wrong angle and breaks his ankle? I reckon I'd have noticed that happening too often.
He's a player we'd fecking love if he was ours and his being tenacious doesn't make him a dirty player. I'm usually first off the rank to have a pop at Spurs but throwing the book at a lad because of an unfortunate outcome is bullshit for me.
Look you've your opinion and you're welcome to it. I'm not sure why you're so adamant I have to share it?So? That's got nothing to do with being dirty. Diving is dirty play and he does a lot of it. He also wastes time when it suits him. That's dirty. As for the tackle, it was a tackle from behind into the standing leg with the ball not being close. Absolutely a dirty tackle.
Yeah you could - but there is a difference between making an honest attempt to take the ball and plowing someone down from behind with no chance of getting the ballWhat even is this? You could make a solid case that any challenge is 'endangering a players safety'.
He issued a yellow and changed it to red when he saw the extent of the injury. Which according to the Premier League is the correct interpretation of the rules.Didn’t the ref book Son first and then put up the red card? Seemed like he was in two minds himself!
I'm adamant that you have to share it? Do you have exclusivity on replying? You said you didn't find him dirty, I responded with how I see him and what I find dirty. You're welcome to think what you want, I just figured to expand on my point as I wasn't sure you would equate diving to being dirty.Look you've your opinion and you're welcome to it. I'm not sure why you're so adamant I have to share it?
I see Son play regularly and in my opinion, he's not a dirty player. I don't think he dives as much as you're making out and I don't think that was a dirty tackle today. It was a tackle from behind and you could say it was cynical, but it wasn't what I would consider to be dirty or malicious.
I could easily rattle off 6 or 7 dirty Spurs players but I just don't think he's one of them. One horrific and really unlucky injury doesn't change that.
It kind of does. The tackle itself was completely needless. He comes in from behind and takes the guy out. Obviously not trying to injure him but it's a deliberate foul and a dangerous tackle. There's the whole injury made it seem worse argument, but my reaction to the initial tackle was literally to say "fecking hell that was a bad challenge" and that was before realising it had caused any injury.Bump doesn't make sense
Except that this is not traffic rules.The ignorance of people here..
Why is a tackle a yellow card, and a normal upper body foul not a card?
Because the card means = You tackled, that is a dangerous challenge and presents a higher risk of injury. Thankfully no injury happened, so here's your card.
But. If you take the risk AND it results in a fracture, its a red. How HARD is it to understand?
It seemed to be fairly widely accepted that Cooks' tackle on Rashford at the weekend was yellow on the basis that Rashford took evasive action. So I don't think it's as black & white as that.Except that this is not traffic rules.
Cards are not given based on severity of injury. They are given based on the risk of injury and intent to hurt.
If I tackle someone cleanly with no malicious intent, got the the ball but the followup broke his leg. Am I liable to be sent off?
Yeah fair enough. I was having the same discussion somewhere else at the same time so you probably took the brunt of me not being able to multitask!I'm adamant that you have to share it? Do you have exclusivity on replying? You said you didn't find him dirty, I responded with how I see him and what I find dirty. You're welcome to think what you want, I just figured to expand on my point as I wasn't sure you would equate diving to being dirty.
Fair enough.Yeah fair enough. I was having the same discussion somewhere else at the same time so you probably took the brunt of me not being able to multitask!
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Not a red card tackle for me but 100% a shithouse way to bring a player down on the break with zero chance of winning the ball.
That’s never a red come on. It’s ac yellow at most. You can’t upgrade a foul because an unfortunate injury comes from it. You need to treat fouls & tackles the same, & not upgrade it to a red because someone gets injuredAny time you dive into a challenge from behind with your studs showing, you run the risk of causing a serious injury to your opponent.
That's as clear a red card as they come for me. On what grounds could Spurs appeal the decision?
He wasn't sent off for the resulting injury, he was sent off for something along the lines of reckless endangerment.Sons was never a red..you can’t send someone off because their tackle unfortunately leads to a serious injury.
It was a foul, maybe a yellow. Nothing more.
So you require an on-field diagnosis before you can determine the severity of the penalty?The ignorance of people here..
Why is a tackle a yellow card, and a normal upper body foul not a card?
Because the card means = You tackled, that is a dangerous challenge and presents a higher risk of injury. Thankfully no injury happened, so here's your card.
But. If you take the risk AND it results in a fracture, its a red. How HARD is it to understand?
I don’t buy that. They changed it after Gomes got injured. They wouldn’t have upgraded it to a red if he hadn’t.He wasn't sent off for the resulting injury, he was sent off for something along the lines of reckless endangerment.
This is a matter of opinion.I don’t buy that. They changed it after Gomes got injured. They wouldn’t have upgraded it to a red if he hadn’t.
it’s never in a million years a red & if it happened to United I’d be fuming
Because if you look at the tackle in isolation (as you should) it’s barely a yellow. No way is it dangerous or anything. Cynical perhaps but yeh it’s a yellow.This is a matter of opinion.
Let me ask you this, on what grounds do you think Spurs could appeal the decision?
I think if you look at the sequence of events, then the ref's decision might be more understandable. Just before that happened, Gomes elbowed Son in the face, which caused him to stay down for a couple of minutes and prompted a VAR review for a red card. Then the next minute he's chasing him down and lunging at him from behind. The challenge itself is never a red but in this case I wouldn't call it harsh, because of the retaliation.That’s never a red come on. It’s ac yellow at most. You can’t upgrade a foul because an unfortunate injury comes from it. You need to treat fouls & tackles the same, & not upgrade it to a red because someone gets injured
Cheers, Son's crying. Nice one.The ignorance of people here..
Why is a tackle a yellow card, and a normal upper body foul not a card?
Because the card means = You tackled, that is a dangerous challenge and presents a higher risk of injury. Thankfully no injury happened, so here's your card.
But. If you take the risk AND it results in a fracture, its a red. How HARD is it to understand?
If he hurt Rashford he would have been sent off but that is where inconsistency in the rules come in because that was a red card offence anyday.It seemed to be fairly widely accepted that Cooks' tackle on Rashford at the weekend was yellow on the basis that Rashford took evasive action. So I don't think it's as black & white as that.
On the grounds that the referee decided upon a yellow card, and then changed his mind to a red card upon inspection of the severity of the injury. This despite the fact that the injury was caused in the end by Aurier.This is a matter of opinion.
Let me ask you this, on what grounds do you think Spurs could appeal the decision?
Thats not how it works thoughOn the grounds that the referee decided upon a yellow card, and then changed his mind to a red card upon inspection of the severity of the injury. This despite the fact that the injury was caused in the end by Aurier.
Had Aurier not come in as he did, the injury would never have happened and the yellow card would have been shown to Son and accepted by literally everyone. To retrospectively change a yellow card to a red card because of the actions of a third player is unfair, regardless of the final outcome.
as a Spurs fan I can assure you there are more than a few of us hoping this happens and results in a season long ban for Aurier.Son only threw Gomes off balance, Aurier is the one to blame for the injury. I hope this is closely reviewed by a commission and he gets what he deserves. Stupid player.
As a PSG fan, i can totally relate... His Periscope video is still famous here...as a Spurs fan I can assure you there are more than a few of us hoping this happens and results in a season long ban for Aurier.
The appeals process? Yeah I don't think they'll be successful in an appeal - not with the severity of the injury incurred. That doesn't make it the right decision for me.Thats not how it works though
I haven’t seen it properly to judge whether it’s a red or not. But sending a player off balance and out of control into a collision with another player is reckless. I have little sympathy for anyone who receives a red in such a scenario.Son only threw Gomes off balance, Aurier is the one to blame for the injury. I hope this is closely reviewed by a commission and he gets what he deserves. Stupid player.
I highly doubt there is anything like this in the rulesThe ignorance of people here..
Why is a tackle a yellow card, and a normal upper body foul not a card?
Because the card means = You tackled, that is a dangerous challenge and presents a higher risk of injury. Thankfully no injury happened, so here's your card.
But. If you take the risk AND it results in a fracture, its a red. How HARD is it to understand?