Pochettino sacked by Spurs

[Scroto Baggins]

Because from the outside, it seems a short-term appointment. Mourinho wants resources available to be able to compete for the biggest trophies, if he is denied those resources and feels his ceiling is being limited, he has a meltdown and throws everyone under the bus, to force either his demands or his exit.

It just seems a bit strange, that's all.

So much this, Jose is many things. And he does have great managerial pedigree, unlike Pochettino. But he is not a swashbuckling football type manager. He is not the type of manager to bring players through from the youth ranks. Nor is he the type to work with young promising players and shape them into the finished article. And he has always had massive budgets wherever he has been a manager. Working under a budget on par with Hammers at Spurs does not seem like his thing at all.

This could very well end up being a car crash in slow motion, will be great to watch though, insert meme of MJ eating popcorn. I believe there will be an uptick for Spurs though, honeymoon period. This is a team that made a CL final that still has real quality in the squad. If Jose can get a tune out of them could see them making EL places.

 

[dwd]

There's more than one opinion from "spurs fans".

I've consistently held this view, if you would like to go back and check, as have many others since he became enveloped by hubris a season or two back.

Aye

Hypothetical or not, you're not talking about a "Marco Silva" here.

Pochettino has a reputation and history of "getting on with it", regardless. He doesn't have an agent, nor do Jesus, Toni or Miguel. He doesn't give the media anything in interviews. That's part and parcel of why he is so trusted by Levy with significant contracts. There is no situation where Pochettino would somehow be "disgruntled" because he couldn't join Man Utd - at the end of the day, he is still getting to live in one of the most desirable Cities in the world, at a club with quality players he has assembled, with his family and friends helping him, a chairman that trusts him, going into a new stadium (at some point, lol), and pretty much on the cusp of winning things. When you hear about how he talks about Espanyol or PSG, you can see that he has attachments to his former clubs, so I think it would take a lot for him to ever be near your hypothetical situation.

It's pretty amusing to think that a manager in his position would be "disgruntled", never mind one that, for all intents and purposes, seems to be pretty grateful for his lot.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I know right

All we've had for literally years from the Spurs fans is how great he is but now he's gone look at them turn and what's even more astonishing is suddenly Mourinho is good again

I mean I know football fans can be fickle but this is new levels now

They've been wanting him out for awhile now, their CL run was a bit flukey and coudl be comparable to Ole's winning run and silenced the naysayers, but the decline had been happening for some time. I wouldn't call them fickle because they follow their club far more closely than us.

 

[Suedesi]

COPYPASTA

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[cjj]

Aye

You've taken a reach there. That supports my point of view (assuming you knew what hubris means).

Pochettino has always been perpetually happy with his situation and his abilities, due in part to the fact that everyone blows smoke up his back end.

He didn't come across like other managers who feel "pressure" because his self-awareness was/is pretty minimal.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Aye

 

[dwd]

You've taken a reach there. That supports my point of view (assuming you knew what hubris means).

Pochettino has always been perpetually happy with his situation and his abilities, due in part to the fact that everyone blows smoke up his back end.

He didn't come across like other managers who feel "pressure" because his self-awareness was/is pretty minimal.

What? He said he might quit last season. He's been anything but happy with his situation for a while now.

 

[Liver_bird]

What happened to Squishy?

Went off the rails in a rugby thread, that’s what I was told when I asked last.

 

[charlenefan]

They've been wanting him out for awhile now, their CL run was a bit flukey and coudl be comparable to Ole's winning run and silenced the naysayers, but the decline had been happening for some time. I wouldn't call them fickle because they follow their club far more closely than us.

I'm gonna struggle to get on board with the notion that Poch has been the problem at Spurs, not when the club failed to sign a player for pretty much 2 years and then the same people let the existing players run their contracts down to the point where their heads are now fixated on their impending moves

Poch has been noticeably more Jose in his persona of late that is obvious but that's merely a product of the environment he's been made to work in

 

[passing-wind]

Should definitely be throwing Ole out the door.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Lets announce him before Christmas, Ole will understand, he loves the club after all and wants whats best for us.

 

[Suedesi]

From Reddit:

COPYPASTA CENTRAL

 

[cjj]

What? He said he might quit last season. He's been anything but happy with his situation for a while now.

Interesting attempt to build a straw man argument here.

If you'd like to get back on track and explain how it in any way is inconsistent with the following, feel free:

The most amazing thing Pochettino ever did was convince the media and other fans that he could do no wrong and never spent a penny.

They just ignore all the players he bought, never played, or made worse.

Spurs haven't sold anyone we didn't want rid of during his time (so no Bale/Modric/Berbatov/Carrick type sales), and there are a raft of quite expensive players that have come in and have regressed or been badly managed.

He's a perpetual victim, despite having had a pretty good deal the whole time (second only to Pep in pay)

Pochettino has flip flopped between "I'll retire at spurs" to "Managing Real would be a dream" to, in the same breath, "I would never walk out on a club", whilst saying he's happy at spurs, doesn't need signings etc. He's been very good at spinning his own PR for quite a while and has died on his own sword.

 

[MikeKing]

That is weird. They think they can do better? I heard Pochettino was a loyal dog and the next big thing, yet he doesn't leave on his own but got fired yet he hasn't got a big club lined up ready for him. I do wonder what the Spurs fans think of this.

 

[Champagne Football]

With Bayern reportedly interested in Troy Parrot, one would have to assume Pochettino and Bayern have possibly been planning a future union for a while.

 

[dwd]

Interesting attempt to build a straw man argument here.

If you'd like to get back on track and explain how it in any way is inconsistent with the following, feel free:




Pochettino has flip flopped between "I'll retire at spurs" to "Managing Real would be a dream" to, in the same breath, "I would never walk out on a club", whilst saying he's happy at spurs, doesn't need signings etc. He's been very good at spinning his own PR for quite a while and has died on his own sword.

If that's the case why are you saying he's not the type to get disgruntled or is happy with his lot?

 

[Mr Smith]

Couldn't care less. Just another boring emotionless manager. Hope to God we don't get him.

Boring and emotionless???

Unbelievable how off-base that is.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

The only way I see Mouirnho taking over at Spurs is if he is named as an interm manager for the rest of the year. There is no way Mourinho will want to be the full time manager at a club that won't give him even a fraction of the funds that he wants. Unless Levy is sitting on a transfer kitty that he was hiding from Poch, I just can't see this happening...

 

[passing-wind]

People still want him here? Jesus.

Look who we've got, it's even more befuddling !

 

[Adnan]

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[Beachryan]

No Mo’ Po

Strong.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

So proof that Tottenham are now are a more ambitious club than us. Not sticking with a manager if it’s not working

 

[Adam-Utd]

So proof that Tottenham are now are a more ambitious club than us. Not sticking with a manager if it’s not working

Oh right, who’s this world class manager they’re signing? Allegri?

 

[Gasolin]

I actually think a Jose Mourinho who's been out of the job will be very motivated to show what he can do. And he will have players like Kane or Son so why not? He could do something. I am more dubious for the midfield, but yeah, I am curious now.

Regarding Poch, I am surprised Bayern was not already agreed on.

 

[Machine Elements]

If we get beat by Sheffield this weekend, we should sack Ole and bring him in. Can't see that incompetent fool in charge to do this though. Can see Poch at Bayern and we "give 6 transfer windows to Ole to assess him".

 

[cjj]

If that's the case why are you saying he's not the type to get disgruntled or is happy with his lot?

This is the last post I'm able to make, but I'm struggling with your trajectory here.

Happiness and arrogance aren't mutually exclusive - he's been perfectly happy with being labelled as some miracle worker who has had no money, despite actually buying a lot of players that went backwards (Aurier and Janssen are £50m worth right there), and being labelled as some sort of person who brings through youth (despite bringing through barely any players), bringing through Kane (despite that being Sherwood) etc.

People suggesting he was disgruntled/unhappy would be incorrect, as he was perfectly chuffed with being faultless despite making his fair share of mistakes (e.g. Son at left back vs Chelsea in the FA Cup semis, dropping hat-trick scoring Moura for the CL Final in place of not-yet-fit-kane etc.). This by no means would stop him liking his name being linked to Real, and flirting with the idea of it all.

It's been Harry Redknapp all over again - the "Now I'm too good for spurs, despite fluffing any chance to win anything - best start flirting with the big jobs", followed by the inevitable loss of form - because who wants to work hard for a manager who doesn't want to be there and is taking the credit - to the back peddling of "I was only messing, I want to stay here - I'd give myself a 20 year contract!"... but by then the dressing room is lost.

Let's remember that at the start of the summer he wanted spurs to start acting like a "big club", so they went out and broke the club's transfer record twice on £60m x 2 (one loan with commitment) for NDombele and Lo Celso, plus £30m or so on Sessegnon - then when it wasn't working out, he seemed to want the club to not act like a "big club" and said (in September) that he needed to "rebuild" in the January window, to the following week saying he was happy with the squad etc.


Basically, he has been perfectly happy gathering up the plaudits for years now (being practically immune to criticism by the media), and yet when it started to unravel (a test of the goods for any manager) he has scrambled to deflect the criticism. His book thing was the beginning of the end, and displayed a real sense of premature trumpet blowing.

I'm sure it's hard to see and understand all this if you aren't a supporter of the club involved - to be talking to the fans that aren't the stand-out ones that get quoted on Reddit or on TalkSport, but this has been anticipated by a lot of supporters for quite some time. In the words of Ramsay Bolton, "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.”

 

[Adnan]

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[R'hllor]

Just heard about it, crazy stuff. Other part is JM and Levy combination, not sure about that. Imagine Levy telling him no new players in the summer without being under a ban, JM`s head would explode.

 

[saivet]

I actually think a Jose Mourinho who's been out of the job will be very motivated to show what he can do. And he will have players like Kane or Son so why not? He could do something. I am more dubious for the midfield, but yeah, I am curious now.

Regarding Poch, I am surprised Bayern was not already agreed on.

The same.sort of things were said when he joined United.

I think he may do okay for the rest of the season, but then he will implode next season.

Shame as I was hoping Arsenal would appoint him.

 

[Gasolin]

This is the last post I'm able to make, but I'm struggling with your trajectory here.

Happiness and arrogance aren't mutually exclusive - he's been perfectly happy with being labelled as some miracle worker who has had no money, despite actually buying a lot of players that went backwards (Aurier and Janssen are £50m worth right there), and being labelled as some sort of person who brings through youth (despite bringing through barely any players), bringing through Kane (despite that being Sherwood) etc.

People suggesting he was disgruntled/unhappy would be incorrect, as he was perfectly chuffed with being faultless despite making his fair share of mistakes (e.g. Son at left back vs Chelsea in the FA Cup semis, dropping hat-trick scoring Moura for the CL Final in place of not-yet-fit-kane etc.). This by no means would stop him liking his name being linked to Real, and flirting with the idea of it all.

It's been Harry Redknapp all over again - the "Now I'm too good for spurs, despite fluffing any chance to win anything - best start flirting with the big jobs", followed by the inevitable loss of form - because who wants to work hard for a manager who doesn't want to be there and is taking the credit - to the back peddling of "I was only messing, I want to stay here - I'd give myself a 20 year contract!"... but by then the dressing room is lost.

Let's remember that at the start of the summer he wanted spurs to start acting like a "big club", so they went out and broke the club's transfer record twice on £60m x 2 (one loan with commitment) for NDombele and Lo Celso, plus £30m or so on Sessegnon - then when it wasn't working out, he seemed to want the club to not act like a "big club" and said (in September) that he needed to "rebuild" in the January window, to the following week saying he was happy with the squad etc.


Basically, he has been perfectly happy gathering up the plaudits for years now (being practically immune to criticism by the media), and yet when it started to unravel (a test of the goods for any manager) he has scrambled to deflect the criticism. His book thing was the beginning of the end, and displayed a real sense of premature trumpet blowing.

I'm sure it's hard to see and understand all this if you aren't a supporter of the club involved - to be talking to the fans that aren't the stand-out ones that get quoted on Reddit or on TalkSport, but this has been anticipated by a lot of supporters for quite some time. In the words of Ramsay Bolton, "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.”

Do you really think it's that part that in bold that happened? I am surprised, really.
But I fully agree with you. Aurier was a disaster at PSG, I don't know why Poch bought him, but I have to admit Moura was surprising, he was a bit s*** at PSG, etc...
I am sure you know by now what managers say is meaningless, what they do on the field is a bit more important.

But the story of Poch playing youth? I am like "what the hell", even Ole plays more players from the academy then Poch in my opinion.

Anyway, I think Spurs having been punching above their weight for a while now, maybe they will get back in order and United can come back (especially if Arsenal can keep being bad and Chelsea starts seeing the end of the purple patch, a la Ole first games). This is me hoping to get back to top 4, and then think from there.

 

[Random Task]

Watch Jose take the Spurs job, give the players an instant lift, raise their performance levels, and propel them back up the table at a rate of knots, eventually finishing the campaign in the top-four. The hero of WHL they will call him.

Then the fun begins.

The look on Jose's face will be priceless when Levy informs him that shopping at Waitrose is no longer an option for him, and Lidl is where he will shop for the summer.

 

[Gandalf]

Lets announce him before Christmas, Ole will understand, he loves the club after all and wants whats best for us.

If he wants what is best for us then he certainly won't want us appointing a Manager who has not won an away league game since January despite having a squad including Kane, Son and Eriksen. I am fairly sure Neil Warnock would be an upgrade on Poch.

 

[Gasolin]

Watch Jose take the Spurs job, give the players an instant lift, raise their performance levels, and propel them back up the table at a rate of knots, eventually finishing the campaign in the top-four. The hero of WHL they will call him.

Then the fun begins.

The look on Jose's face will be priceless when Levy informs him that shopping at Waitrose is no longer an option for him, Lidl is where he will spend his summer.

I don't believe the Jose story for one single reason. Jose always include a full payment of the pay, and he's expensive. If he signs for 3 years? Is Levy going to pay a manager when he doesn't fund the club for players?

 

[momo83]

Tbf to the Tottenham board while he was doing well and, rightly, talking the applause he never spoke as if he was committed to Spurs long term. So now he’s been on a bad run since March it’s less likely that the club will think “ok this squad cycle has come to an end, let’s give him time to get through this and revamp things “

 

[Random Task]

I don't believe the Jose story for one single reason. Jose always include a full payment of the pay, and he's expensive. If he signs for 3 years? Is Levy going to pay a manager when he doesn't fund the club for players?

I have no idea, but Jose is the odds-on favorite with all the bookies.

This could happen.

 

[RUCK4444]

So proof that Tottenham are now are a more ambitious club than us. Not sticking with a manager if it’s not working

Poch has been there for years and done well, Ole hasn’t had one full season yet

 

[Suedesi]

Where is Coach Lasso?

He needs to make a comeback

 

[Eckers99]

So proof that Tottenham are now are a more ambitious club than us. Not sticking with a manager if it’s not working

Do you not remember anything about last season?

 

[redmanx]

We should be all over him before Madrid hire him. With all his problems he's gonna be our best option for managerial position.

Why? What has he actually won? His only real achievement was taking Spurs to the CL Final, w

We should be all over him before Madrid hire him. With all his problems he's gonna be our best option for managerial position.

When Claudio Ranieri took Leicester to the PL title, a far greater achievement, I don't recall a sudden desire for him to become our manager.

 

[Freeney]

Poch has been there for years and done well, Ole hasn’t had one full season yet

So every manager should have at least one year before you can judge them? Dont agree with that. Especially when you have the same poor CV as Ole, and see no progression.