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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Just like your posts..
Hey, maybe we could be friends
Haha very true . Some of the clowns on here refuse to comment on anything positive and refuse to believe anything good can come out of Ole . But it was the same with LVG the same with Jose and will be the same with whoever comes after Ole .
That would be beneficial to you..
Flirt, I’ll pass. I have enough friends. Most agree that changing manager would clearly be ridiculous.
Changing a manager when there's many more superior coaches in Europe isn't ridiculous, it's a sensible move. You hire a coach on merit, not sentiments.
Some of you guys would blindly defend the likes of Alan Pardew if he was our manager.
Maybe we should bring in Steve McClaren, because he understands United and has won the Dutch league with FC Twente ahead of Dutch giants like Ajax and PSV.
No doubt this thread will be lively on Thursday if the youth team doesn't win by 3 or 4.
What credentials does he have as a manager to back up that consistency will come once “he has the players he wants”? Which other premier league team would even consider hiring him?
It's so weird that 12 months ago people looked at this team and thought they were capable of winning the league, except for the rotten no-good manager holding them back...and now it's going to take years to recover from the last manager's 1 transfer window. Is it really true that Ole is great at buying/selling players?
I'd like to think that the team would bounce back with a new manager, that the damage from the last year isn't that terrible.
Crap again
I wanted Jose out, I wanted LVG, I obviously wanted Moyes out so why would I want the names you’ve mentioned above in,
Why can’t some of you see that just because we don’t want Ole out doesn’t mean we would blindly follow anyone? Baffling.
I’m of this opinion because we’ve already trodden the path of sacking a manager many times to mainly appease you fickle fecking feckers without any benefit, for forty years seen other clubs tread this path and Liverpool it seems are finally gonna land lucky.
If you want it badly keep changing managers but don’t complain to me in 2042 when we are looking desperately for our next title.
First of all to appoint yet another new manager right now without having the right structure above him would be senseless. Secondly, Ole & the back room have made a commitment to only buy players who are right for the club and the current squad is short on quality & experience, it’ll take a while to get the squad up to strength.
Why do you want him in? What has he done in management in the last 10 years, for you to believe he's the man to give time? Try responding in a mature way, which I know you find difficult.
Try telling Barca and Madrid about not changing managers and they'll show you their trophy cabinet, which might take you to the year 2042 to count.
The problem is that they’re coaches and not so much manager. They have only experienced working with a DoF etc.
Bringing in a Nagelsmann or Rose would enable the same structure. Liverpool changed theirs to appease Klopp.
What is the right player? I find that concept very difficult to understand. Another one is the 'United way'
That's such crap. Since when does Utd get to take a few years off (3 years? 5? 12?) while they carefully select just those perfect specimens for the team? Remember Sir Alex winning with Park in the midfield? The idea is to #1) WIN! and then do all those other things (youth, style, attitude) while winning. I remember some really dull games with SAF in charge; I don't remember any games where he preferred to lose and look good while losing.
In fairness I hear people complain about the use of ‘the United way’ far more than I hear people actually use the term.
Also it’s clearly just a vague nod to our traditional style of football and managerial structure.
People like to make a big deal out of it for some reason.
Well clearly DiMaria, Falcao, Depay, Lukaku, Sanchez, etc weren’t. What a waste of money, planning and time our Galatico’s have been ffs!
So your saying we need the next SAF to go with the next Messi?
If your looking for the next SAF you won’t find him.
Also Park was class and would be our best midfielder right now.
Complete nonsense, and to top it off with calling others fickle!
Sacking a manager has not worked so now we're stuck with Ole for life? A manager who has NEVER proved it anywhere else? Did you marry the first girl you ever talked to as well? "Talking to girls doesn't work, I end up not liking them so imma just stick to this one!"
They are all managers. Hardly any manager at this level "coaches" football. They manage the players and coaches.
Ole is not up to the job, that is fairly obvious but we should stick with him until a top class manager becomes available. That is a rare event because top class managers don’t tend to leave / lose their jobs. We could look at an upwardly mobile manager, such as Eddie Howe but I think the Moyes experience has put us off this option.
It's very easy to say that now with hindsight tbf. Di Maria arrived after having a super season for Madrid and was the best player in the Champions League final but couldn't settle in England. Falcao we only signed on a loan due to him suffering from a serious injury which possibly affected him. Depay I doubted before he even played for us. And Lukaku with suspect technical ability was always a bad move IMO. But we got sucked in due to his goals record which was impressive. Sanchez had been out of form for a long time for Arsenal and that should've been taken into consideration due to him being 29.
Barca signed players for huge money in Coutinho and Ousmane Dembele and both players have been dissapointing with some hope still left for Ousmane Dembele due to his age. The Coutinho signing was strange but Dembele was a elite talent at youth level so I support such a positive move to bring the best young and experienced players to the club. Barca carried on with the same approach and signed Frenkie de Jong and Griezmann due to both players displaying world class ability/potential in their respective positions and narrowly missed out on arguably the biggest CB talent in Matthijs de Ligt.
If it doesn't work the first time you sit back, reacess and go again, to bring the best in their class.
I actually hear it from fans and pundits alike, which is far too many times for my liking. Scholes just last week backed Ole due to him understanding the club.
Arrggh Mods please ban this fecking pic...
The amount times in the Moyes and OGS eras that this gets wheeled out on the internet when someone's lost / losing a debate as some sort of proof that sticking with a crap manager is somehow commendable.
It has nothing to do with the conversation and makes you look like a WUM in all honesty.
This part of your post is quite frankly nonsense. Footballers all want to earn great wages and compete for the highest trophies. Any ambitious footballer thinks that way anyway.
We are no longer a top destination in football anymore. We can only get back to the top using three methods;
1. Relying on our Academy.
2 .Buying potentially great players who will take years to develop into world class
3.Buying established world class players to quickly re-establish us to the top.
The first two are gonna take time and with them the success guarantee percentage is not high but with number 3, the chances go higher.
I'm afraid if you wanna go route 3, then you have to offer them astronomical wages and sell them the 'Project' (a term used to describe the proposition of a floundering or history deficient club to players who frankly shouldn't have any business joining such clubs in the first place). That's all we have to offer now because everyone knows we are a mediocre club on the pitch led by a mediocre manager at the moment and by the way City's mercenaries have given them countless trophies and dedication as well over the years. The likes of Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, Kompany.... If we had those type of mercenaries playing for us instead of jersey lovers like Lingard, Jones, Young then I would be extremely delighted to welcome them to Old Trafford!
It has all to do with the post I was replying to as it completely disproves the post I was replying to. But don’t let a few minor details cloud your judgement.
For me, I think that if Poch weren't available for "free" then I'd likely just hold my tongue. But sometimes you have to take the opportunity when it comes, even if it's not the ideal timing. I'd sign up Poch but keep Ole on board through the remainder of the season unless things turned really south. Then have Ole as a DOF or similar type role to help us get the United feels back.
Nope. I'm not saying anything like that. I'm saying that continuing to think up excuses for losing is not good. The manager's job is to set up the team to win the game. After he's done that, he can worry about the other things.
Oh. sorry, I missed how that completely disproved my post. What was the point?
You wouldn't get a single reply from Ole out gang as it goes against their rhetoric of our manager cannot improve anyone.
The point that it took Fergie 6 seasons to build a title winning squad whilst a large portion of fans were calling for his head, yet the post stated that United didn’t give Fergie time to build a squad. Now your turn.
For weeks it was complaints about lack of creativity and goals. Patterns of play etc. We've scored 15 goals in our last 6 games. There's no point in pretending Ole isn't making some sort of progress with our attack. The forwards are developing a nice understanding. We have a pacey and talented front 3 and finally a manager who plays Martial and Rashford in their best positions. Sheffield United are one of the toughest defenses in the league and we cut them apart. That's with a completely non existent midfield giving them little to no service.
We've seen that he can manage effectively against the big teams. He's now showing that without even having a functional midfield that his young team are learning break down the smaller teams like Norwich, Brighton and Sheffield United. So at one time or another despite having a very weak squad Ole has answered the various questions thrown at him. What is lacking is consistency. We simply haven't had the players to cope without Martial, Pogba or McTominay. When more than one of these have been missing we've hardly picked up any points. We don't have anyone to replace them.
People need to be patient and let him bring in the players he needs. When Pogba and Scott are back we will have a much better idea of what a Solskjaer team will look like. Once he brings in proper backup for them we will be much better equipped to deal with injuries without dropping so many points.
We've seen that he can manage effectively against the big teams. He's now showing that without even having a functional midfield that his young team are learning break down the smaller teams like Norwich, Brighton and Sheffield United. So at one time or another despite having a very weak squad Ole has answered the various questions thrown at him. What is lacking is consistency. We simply haven't had the players to cope without Martial, Pogba or McTominay. When more than one of these have been missing we've hardly picked up any points. We don't have anyone to replace them.
People need to be patient and let him bring in the players he needs. When Pogba and Scott are back we will have a much better idea of what a Solskjaer team will look like. Once he brings in proper backup for them we will be much better equipped to deal with injuries without dropping so many points.
Very good post.
Because since the shit show our club has been since Fergie retired, this club seems like to finally looking like a new team.
A new fecking team that is truly likable despite all that shyte performances, this young team seems like a fecking project.
You lot didn't want this, fine. But most of us in Ole in camp wants to see these lads to succeed.
Nobody predicted Kane to be a world class striker when he was a loanee, nobody. Who knows what McT, Andreas, Martial, James, Rashford could be when more good signings added around them. Might be world class, might be shyte again, who knows??
So rather than seeing another manager with a steady project sacked, I'd rather see these underwhelming form. Because we believe, another manager in means another dawn, that means another year or two for another "project".
This project is ongoing, and I want to see them keep improving, because they absolutely can.
Fergie had pre United domestic & European success though, Ole doesn't
Is no one concerned Poch has just been sacked by Spurs? I mean shouldn’t we be looking for a manager on the up? For me it’d be another Jose (as in a tad burned out) appointment, but without the past winning record.
Just like our manager we are going around in circles I think.
So you do agree (as would anyone willing to see logic) that no other elite club would persist with Ole with his current track record. So based on what we should persist with him?
But then you say there is a style of play. I mean really? You and I must be watching different games then. I think if there is a poll regarding style of play, yours would be the only vote on here that Ole has imprinted a distinct style of play on us. I don't find a style of play whether I watch the game with a microscope or a telescope. Please do describe this style of play you talk about.
Again you missed my point about Klopp. He got the team into some sort of rhythm and pattern and then put in the personnel who would suit those patterns. Their board backed him when they saw that there was a method to his madness and of course that UCL finals cannot be won with Karius in goal! It should be the same with Ole. Let him put his seal on the style of play and then he should be backed with more investment. But that will not happen either way at our Club and that's the unfortunate part.
And there are no magical transfer windows. The transfer you mentioned Lorius etc. they were inexpensive misfits who were quickly replaced as the manager was sharp enough to identify the pedigree of the players. We still play Jones. Enough said.
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