Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Majima]

Is no one concerned Poch has just been sacked by Spurs?

Not in the slightest. No.

It's nothing new to see a top manager come to the end of a cycle at a club. Klopp had Dortmund in the relegation places at one point in his final season, before Liverpool.

I'm aware of the quality of his work over his 5 years there. One dodgy year with all sorts going on behind the scenes isn't going to affect that.

 

[Adnan]

Because since the shit show our club has been since Fergie retired, this club seems like to finally looking like a new team.

A new fecking team that is truly likable despite all that shyte performances, this young team seems like a fecking project.

You lot didn't want this, fine. But most of us in Ole in camp wants to see these lads to succeed.

Nobody predicted Kane to be a world class striker when he was a loanee, nobody. Who knows what McT, Andreas, Martial, James, Rashford could be when more good signings added around them. Might be world class, might be shyte again, who knows??

So rather than seeing another manager with a steady project sacked, I'd rather see these underwhelming form. Because we believe, another manager in means another dawn, that means another year or two for another "project".

This project is ongoing, and I want to see them keep improving, because they absolutely can.

You're just giving your opinion here which is fine and you're entitled to support the manager, so will I, as long as he's here.

But under what premise do you believe he deserves time to take us back to challenging the European elite? The job currently is huge and thus far he's bought three players, and two of those players aren't even among the best in their positions, for world record sums. His career in management thus far has seen him sacked at Cardiff at the top level.

Is there managers/coaches around Europe who are significantly superior in their respective fields? If you believe there is, then you're not supporting Man Utd but showing blind support to a ex player turned manager who went from Cardiff to Molde to Man Utd.

 

[meamth]

You're just giving your opinion here which is fine and you're entitled to support the manager, so will I, as long as he's here.

But under what premise do you believe he deserves time to take us back to challenging the European elite? The job currently is huge and thus far he's bought three players, and two of those players aren't even among the best in their positions, for world record sums. His career in management thus far has seen him sacked at Cardiff at the top level.

Is there managers/coaches around Europe who are significantly superior in their respective fields? If you believe there is, then you're not supporting Man Utd but showing blind support to a ex player turned manager who went from Cardiff to Molde to Man Utd.

That's the thing, people calling Ole In camp as blind support.

It's not, absolutely not.

 

[Adnan]

That's the thing, people calling Ole In camp as blind support.

It's not, absolutely not.

Do you believe there is 'significantly better managers' we could hire in comparison to Ole?

 

[steffyr2]

The point that it took Fergie 6 seasons to build a title winning squad whilst a large portion of fans were calling for his head, yet the post stated that United didn’t give Fergie time to build a squad. Now your turn.

I'm not sure what post was talking about Sir Alex, but is 6 years your target for winning anything? I'm still amazed how the squad could go from 2nd place to mid-table in 1 window. I've said "keep" for Ole, but jeez that's a really bad transfer window.

 

[Sky1981]

The point that it took Fergie 6 seasons to build a title winning squad whilst a large portion of fans were calling for his head, yet the post stated that United didn’t give Fergie time to build a squad. Now your turn.

Fergie got 2nd? in his first season? or was it his second?

If ole got 2nd in his first season then yes, we might want to give him some benefits of doubt.

If fergie first 1 year is as bad as Ole he won't have his 6 years. You really can't keep pointing out that SAF got 6 years, if we give moyes 6 years would he become our next Fergie? Fergie was "the" fergie because he was Ferguson, not because he was given 6 years. If he wasn't Alex Ferguson it wont matter how many years we give him. The board at that time wasn't giving him 6 years for nothing, but because they see something that convinced them. And Manchester United back then wasn't the Manchester United of todays, back then we haven't won the league for a good long time we're akin to probably todays' Arsenal / Spurs / Liverpool, the expectation wasn't top 4 or boot.

 

[momo83]

Genuinely disgusted by how people cheapen and lower SAF achievement when they use his example to support any manager especially genuinely crap ones like Moyes and Ole.

Have some respect for the greatest manager in the history of football...it’s like saying any tricky winger could have had the career that Ronaldo has if only they moved to a big team at a young age were coached properly and were shown patience when they were a bit frustrating wish end product.

 

[vivaronaldo]

Changing a manager when there's many more superior coaches in Europe isn't ridiculous, it's a sensible move. You hire a coach on merit, not sentiments.

Some of you guys would blindly defend the likes of Alan Pardew if he was our manager.

Maybe we should bring in Steve McClaren, because he understands United and has won the Dutch league with FC Twente ahead of Dutch giants like Ajax and PSV.

100% spot on ...hiring a manager because he beat psg away when no one was chasing him was a silly, irresponsible move that has bought no fruition whatsoever .....how stupid do neville and rio look now , fancy giving the most important job at the club to a certaker because he won a champions league tie away from home after being totally outplayed by the same opposition 2 weeks prior

some of the stuff i read on here tells me the glazers brainwashing is working well

 

[vivaronaldo]

What credentials does he have as a manager to back up that consistency will come once “he has the players he wants”? Which other premier league team would even consider hiring him?

cardiff relegated........... we hired a guy that got cardiff relegated and theres people on here who are brainwashed by the glazers that back him in .........no idea

 

[Bobcat]

We can agree that there is a need for a radical rebuild of everything in the club. But what if the said rebuild is based on the wrong premises? What if the players brought in are unsuited to play the type of football that is most likely to yield success? What if the people in charge of the rebuild are unable to fathom that being able to retain possession is fundamental for being succesful long term?

By "look like Manchester United again", do you mean CL and EPL title contenders? Or playing a specific way?

Undeniable top 4 quality? Playing what type of football? BTW we will struggle to get top 4 playing the way we currently do, which is a style that DDG, AWB and Rashford are best suited to. PP will not be here next season unless we pay him stupid money, AWB will only be top 4 quality if he improves his attacking deficiencies, Maguire is not close to being as good as half of the fans thinks he is, Rashford struggles without space to take advantage of and Martial is not reliable over time.

Dalot, TFM, Williams, McT, Greenwood and Garner are not close to being mid-table EPL quality at this moment.

I just don't see any signs in the style of play, the players brought in during the summer, the decision to not buy a midfielder("we could not get any of our two targets" or "we could not find a suitable player with the right mentality" is bullshit), no indications that players are coached well or improving on their weak areas to give me any sort of belief that we are going in the right direction or that OGS and his coaching staff are the right people. Just compare OGS post-match interview and analysis to many of the other managers in the premier league and you will see his simplistic (mis)understanding of football.

That first bolded part has been one of our biggest issues for years now. Not only have the recruitment been poor, but the 3 managers before Ole has all had different styles so the squad is a hodge podge of players

Look like Manchester United i mean of course EPL and CL contenders. I dont really give a toss about style as long as its effective. Regarding the second bolded part, i think you are being a bit hash there but assuming that you are right and these players are mid table and worse, would it not be a bit unfair to expect Ole to compete for top 4 with a squad that midtable at best and maybe even worse with just a few genuine quality players

We have a style now. Its counter attack with two wide and one central attacker and try to win the ball in favorable positions. I get that possession football is all the rage right now with, but since when did counter attacks fall so out of favor? Under Fergie we were mostly a counter attacking side and Jose has won loads playing counter attack. Possession football can look great when being done right and you have the players for it, but its boring as shite when its not working (read: LvG)

I also dont get all this focus on coaching. Good player are good players regardless of where they play. Coaching matters, but not even half as much as some people like to think. Fergie did not win because he coached a bunch of shite/mediocre players into stars, he won because he had a keen eye for talent and the players with the right attitude, so he managed to get the right players. Take City now as an other example. They can look amazing at times under Pep, but look at that squad and you quickly realize that squad is really fecking good, and most of those players could play in literally any other club and still be good players.

Coaching can improve or hinder a player, especially in their early years, but it only goes so far. Their physical attributes will mostly stay the same regardless, same with technical attributes. What coaching mostly can affect is mental attributes, but even then its limited. Things like awareness, vision and "footballing IQ" cant be learned, its something players have or dont have. If those things could be taught, then every midfielder out there would look like some sort of Scholes and that simply does not happen

Everyone is disappointed we did not get more players during the window, but none of us know the reason why. Ole saying he is "happy with the squad" is also just the kind of vague nonsense managers say to the press to keep them silent and keep your cards close to your chest. The second a manger says hes unhappy with the squad they jump on it like famished wolves and start speculating in "who is out," "x player is out of favor" and not long after they start making up shite about "infighting between manager and x player". Better to just pretend its fine and handle business behind closed doors

I dont get the last part about post match interviews, Ole says exactly the same vague nonsense that every other manager does "fought hard, should have done better, happy with he lads and so on". I honestly cant recall i single time a manager came with some tactical analysis during a post match interview

 

[Micky Targaryen]

Flirt, I’ll pass. I have enough friends. Most agree that changing manager would clearly be ridiculous.

I've seen many a crap post from you, and besides all your snide remarks and sarcasm, I've failed to see any of your post actually elaborating as to why you think Ole is the right manager for us. Or to put in frankly, why do you have such a biased view towards Ole?

Comparing managerial experience and tactics, you really think Ole is superior to Poch? Seriously?

If Ole wasn't a club legend, would you still keep banging on in the "Ole in" camp? Pretty sure you will conveniently forget to answer this particular question.

If Ole were to be sacked now, do you honestly think any other top clubs will offer him a job?

Comparing signings, would you say Ole has signed better players than Poch? If so, do I need to remind you of the size of our club's budget vs Spurs?

For one second, I'm going to accept the ridiculous notion that one of Ole's advantages is that he understands the club. So did Pep "understood" City? Did Klopp "understood" Liverpool. Do you really need to "get" the club to win trophies around here?

Were you an avid watcher of the Norwegian league and were thoroughly impressed by Ole's reign in Molde?

You can go on and claim that Ole did a good job of clearing the deadwood. Most redcafe posters could already see which of our players are disposable? Should we be given a scouting job at the club too? And I'm pretty sure credit goes to Woodward and his team for finding buyers for our deadwood.

You can go on and bring up Ole's dream run during last season. Avram Grant had a dream run to the Champions League final. Should Chelsea have kept him on beyond that season?

You can go on about sacking another manager bring ridiculous. But why is it ridiculous. Don't need to bring up the Fergie era crap. Times have changed and football has changed. We are a huge club and top clubs sack managers all the time. It's all part of the job. Sacking managers is ridiculous and we are unlike other top clubs because it's the United Way? Now that's just obnoxious.

I'm all for giving a manager time, but he at least needs to show some improvement or progress to show he is the one? I'm most definitely not going to give him more time just because he used to play for the club!

Not only you, but so far I have not seen one post that clearly convince as to why we should stick with Ole, of all people. Of all our underperforming managers, I don't get why Ole is the one we should be giving more time to, despite us getting a 2nd place finish and a Europa League trophy before his reign.

Only one dude has mentioned why he thinks Ole is a better manager to Poch, and it's because he thinks Ole is "hungrier" than Poch. Laughable.

 

[sglowrider]

That first bolded part has been one of our biggest issues for years now. Not only have the recruitment been poor, but the 3 managers before Ole has all had different styles so the squad is a hodge podge of players

Look like Manchester United i mean of course EPL and CL contenders. I dont really give a toss about style as long as its effective. Regarding the second bolded part, i think you are being a bit hash there but assuming that you are right and these players are mid table and worse, would it not be a bit unfair to expect Ole to compete for top 4 with a squad that midtable at best and maybe even worse with just a few genuine quality players

We have a style now. Its counter attack with two wide and one central attacker and try to win the ball in favorable positions. I get that possession football is all the rage right now with, but since when did counter attacks fall so out of favor? Under Fergie we were mostly a counter attacking side and Jose has won loads playing counter attack. Possession football can look great when being done right and you have the players for it, but its boring as shite when its not working (read: LvG)

I also dont get all this focus on coaching. Good player are good players regardless of where they play. Coaching matters, but not even half as much as some people like to think. Fergie did not win because he coached a bunch of shite/mediocre players into stars, he won because he had a keen eye for talent and the players with the right attitude, so he managed to get the right players. Take City now as an other example. They can look amazing at times under Pep, but look at that squad and you quickly realize that squad is really fecking good, and most of those players could play in literally any other club and still be good players.

Coaching can improve or hinder a player, especially in their early years, but it only goes so far. Their physical attributes will mostly stay the same regardless, same with technical attributes. What coaching mostly can affect is mental attributes, but even then its limited. Things like awareness, vision and "footballing IQ" cant be learned, its something players have or dont have. If those things could be taught, then every midfielder out there would look like some sort of Scholes and that simply does not happen

Everyone is disappointed we did not get more players during the window, but none of us know the reason why. Ole saying he is "happy with the squad" is also just the kind of vague nonsense managers say to the press to keep them silent and keep your cards close to your chest. The second a manger says hes unhappy with the squad they jump on it like famished wolves and start speculating in "who is out," "x player is out of favor" and not long after they start making up shite about "infighting between manager and x player". Better to just pretend its fine and handle business behind closed doors

I dont get the last part about post match interviews, Ole says exactly the same vague nonsense that every other manager does "fought hard, should have done better, happy with he lads and so on". I honestly cant recall i single time a manager came with some tactical analysis during a post match interview

Man Utd boss Solskjaer wanted 'two more’ signings and ‘certain players' to leave club
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was not completely happy with Manchester United’s transfer business in the summer. Manchester United boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wanted to make “two more” signings in the summer than he did, claims legendary Red Devils goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel.

“He’s keeping a cool head in the interviews, he’s telling me that ‘I’ve got this under control’.

“He’s not making excuses for ‘I haven’t been able to sign that player’, he’s not doing all that.

“He’s just plugging along slowly, he’s taking all the criticism that comes his way, he turns up to training every morning, he works with the players, he’s at the games, he’s quite positive, but his hands are tied and they have been tied behind his back for a very long time.”

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...-transfers-Manchester-United-Peter-Schmeichel

 

[Mainoldo]

Man Utd boss Solskjaer wanted 'two more’ signings and ‘certain players' to leave club
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was not completely happy with Manchester United’s transfer business in the summer. Manchester United boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wanted to make “two more” signings in the summer than he did, claims legendary Red Devils goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel.

“He’s keeping a cool head in the interviews, he’s telling me that ‘I’ve got this under control’.

“He’s not making excuses for ‘I haven’t been able to sign that player’, he’s not doing all that.

“He’s just plugging along slowly, he’s taking all the criticism that comes his way, he turns up to training every morning, he works with the players, he’s at the games, he’s quite positive, but his hands are tied and they have been tied behind his back for a very long time.”

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...-transfers-Manchester-United-Peter-Schmeichel

Don’t care what he wanted. He’s a rubbish manager and it would have made no difference. Frank Lampard wanted players too.

 

[Kemizee]

I've seen many a crap post from you, and besides all your snide remarks and sarcasm, I've failed to see any of your post actually elaborating as to why you think Ole is the right manager for us. Or to put in frankly, why do you have such a biased view towards Ole?

Comparing managerial experience and tactics, you really think Ole is superior to Poch? Seriously?

If Ole wasn't a club legend, would you still keep banging on in the "Ole in" camp? Pretty sure you will conveniently forget to answer this particular question.

If Ole were to be sacked now, do you honestly think any other top clubs will offer him a job?

Comparing signings, would you say Ole has signed better players than Poch? If so, do I need to remind you of the size of our club's budget vs Spurs?

For one second, I'm going to accept the ridiculous notion that one of Ole's advantages is that he understands the club. So did Pep "understood" City? Did Klopp "understood" Liverpool. Do you really need to "get" the club to win trophies around here?

Were you an avid watcher of the Norwegian league and were thoroughly impressed by Ole's reign in Molde?

You can go on and claim that Ole did a good job of clearing the deadwood. Most redcafe posters could already see which of our players are disposable? Should we be given a scouting job at the club too? And I'm pretty sure credit goes to Woodward and his team for finding buyers for our deadwood.

You can go on and bring up Ole's dream run during last season. Avram Grant had a dream run to the Champions League final. Should Chelsea have kept him on beyond that season?

You can go on about sacking another manager bring ridiculous. But why is it ridiculous. Don't need to bring up the Fergie era crap. Times have changed and football has changed. We are a huge club and top clubs sack managers all the time. It's all part of the job. Sacking managers is ridiculous and we are unlike other top clubs because it's the United Way? Now that's just obnoxious.

I'm all for giving a manager time, but he at least needs to show some improvement or progress to show he is the one? I'm most definitely not going to give him more time just because he used to play for the club!

Not only you, but so far I have not seen one post that clearly convince as to why we should stick with Ole, of all people. Of all our underperforming managers, I don't get why Ole is the one we should be giving more time to, despite us getting a 2nd place finish and a Europa League trophy before his reign.

Only one dude has mentioned why he thinks Ole is a better manager to Poch, and it's because he thinks Ole is "hungrier" than Poch. Laughable.

The Ole **** are not going to answer all these questions because they can't objectively respond without appearing deluded.

 

[KekiZeki]

f mainly younger players, some

This part of your post is quite frankly nonsense. Footballers all want to earn great wages and compete for the highest trophies. Any ambitious footballer thinks that way anyway.

We are no longer a top destination in football anymore. We can only get back to the top using three methods;

1. Relying on our Academy.

2 .Buying potentially great players who will take years to develop into world class

3.Buying established world class players to quickly re-establish us to the top.

The first two are gonna take time and with them the success guarantee percentage is not high but with number 3, the chances go higher.

I'm afraid if you wanna go route 3, then you have to offer them astronomical wages and sell them the 'Project' (a term used to describe the proposition of a floundering or history deficient club to players who frankly shouldn't have any business joining such clubs in the first place). That's all we have to offer now because everyone knows we are a mediocre club on the pitch led by a mediocre manager at the moment and by the way City's mercenaries have given them countless trophies and dedication as well over the years. The likes of Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, Kompany.... If we had those type of mercenaries playing for us instead of jersey lovers like Lingard, Jones, Young then I would be extremely delighted to welcome them to Old Trafford!

I never said penny pinching is the answer as some here would make it out as if I said it. If we're not attractive to top players to have our pick so we have to rely on getting top players other clubs want to get rid it's a red flag right there. Those players are more trouble than they're worth most of the time and it shows.
Yes, go with academy players rather than getting big buys who end up leaving on loans costing us a fortune and making us in to a laughing stock. Revamp the scouting department, all the talent they do find doesn't seem to fit in. This takes time. But we're still a great club, one mediocre transfer window won't break us, but years of sensless spending will, we're rich club but there is no fortune you can't piss up the wall if you're stubborn enough.
We have a manager who understands our way. If we didn't give "top" managers a chance I'd understand people not being patient with Ole, but we did do that, it got us nowhere. Europa League and an odd cup is not what this club is about.

 

[Class of 63]

Finally I think we all agree

/thread

 

[KekiZeki]

f mainly younger players, some

What credentials does he have as a manager to back up that consistency will come once “he has the players he wants”? Which other premier league team would even consider hiring him?

What other premier league team has him as a club legend? He's a young manager you can't expect him to have a rich CV. Some of you talk about it as if we're finding a used car salesman, not a manager who needs to get along with the people, understand the structure of the club in and out, and you can't get that by getting "top" manager. It's not how this works. There is no miracle worker to make it all better right now, anyone who thinks there is will face a lot of fustration in the future, with or without Solskjaer at the helm.

 

[el3mel]

What other premier league team has him as a club legend? He's a young manager you can't expect him to have a rich CV. Some of you talk about it as if we're finding a used car salesman, not a manager who needs to get along with the people, understand the structure of the club in and out, and you can't get that by getting "top" manager. It's not how this works. There is no miracle worker to make it all better right now, anyone who thinks there is will face a lot of fustration in the future, with or without Solskjaer at the helm.

So is this the answer? He's here because he is a club legend?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Finally I think we all agree

/thread

Take the T out and I'd say it's accurate.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Man Utd boss Solskjaer wanted 'two more’ signings and ‘certain players' to leave club
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was not completely happy with Manchester United’s transfer business in the summer. Manchester United boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wanted to make “two more” signings in the summer than he did, claims legendary Red Devils goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel.

“He’s keeping a cool head in the interviews, he’s telling me that ‘I’ve got this under control’.

“He’s not making excuses for ‘I haven’t been able to sign that player’, he’s not doing all that.

“He’s just plugging along slowly, he’s taking all the criticism that comes his way, he turns up to training every morning, he works with the players, he’s at the games, he’s quite positive, but his hands are tied and they have been tied behind his back for a very long time.”

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...-transfers-Manchester-United-Peter-Schmeichel

Thanks for sharing. That is one thing that p!sses me off. That he wanted more signings and didn't get them. If he'd got those extra signings I think we would be in a lot better situation than we are in now.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Thanks for sharing. That is one thing that p!sses me off. That he wanted more signings and didn't get them. If he'd got those extra signings I think we would be in a lot better situation than we are in now.

One of those two signings he wanted was Longstaff at £50m, what exactly would he have done to improve our midfield? I assume the other is a striker but it's not like he identified any viable targets before we let our 20 goal a season striker leave, is it?

He did well with James and then we spent record fees on AWB and Maguire, the former looks good, the latter looks like a marginal upgrade at best. This idea that Ole has been great in the transfer market is silly. He's essentially just bought the most obvious British players available for massive fees. Whoopity feckin' doo.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

One of those two signings he wanted was Longstaff at £50m, what exactly would he have done to improve our midfield? I assume the other is a striker but it's not like he identified any viable targets before we let our 20 goal a season striker leave, is it?

Personally I wouldn't have wanted him to go for Longstaff. He may have alternatives lined up, we will never know. I think that he would have got a striker in as it is clear that we are very short up front when Martial is injured. Maybe he didn't identify any targets to replace Lukaku because Woodward told him there wouldn't be any money available to do so.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Personally I wouldn't have wanted him to go for Longstaff. He may have alternatives lined up, we will never know. I think that he would have got a striker in as it is clear that we are very short up front when Martial is injured. Maybe he didn't identify any targets to replace Lukaku because Woodward told him there wouldn't be any money available to do so.

Well maybe he shouldn't have spent £80m on a defender who was a very marginal upgrade on Smalling, at best, then?

I'm far from confident that if Ole was given another £100m to spend that he would've gotten two players that would've drastically improved us this season. Longstaff certainly wouldn't in midfield and I can't really think of any potential replacements for Lukaku either. At the end of the day he's the one who only wanted Lukaku to be a bit part player in favour of Rashford here (not something I disagree with, tbf) and if he knew he wanted to go he should've had a plan, but he clearly didn't. I just think it's really simplistic to assume that if he got these two players you speak of that we'd be any better off.

 

[Enigma_87]

I never said penny pinching is the answer as some here would make it out as if I said it. If we're not attractive to top players to have our pick so we have to rely on getting top players other clubs want to get rid it's a red flag right there. Those players are more trouble than they're worth most of the time and it shows.
Yes, go with academy players rather than getting big buys who end up leaving on loans costing us a fortune and making us in to a laughing stock. Revamp the scouting department, all the talent they do find doesn't seem to fit in. This takes time. But we're still a great club, one mediocre transfer window won't break us, but years of sensless spending will, we're rich club but there is no fortune you can't piss up the wall if you're stubborn enough.
We have a manager who understands our way. If we didn't give "top" managers a chance I'd understand people not being patient with Ole, but we did do that, it got us nowhere. Europa League and an odd cup is not what this club is about.

Mid table mediocrity, whilst playing terrible football, is what this club is about?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

The problem is more that the little teams still see us as their biggest game, the fans are up for it and it's a chance for their players to grab the headlines giving that extra bit of effort. At the same time they know these players are nowhere near our best sides of the past so they've got a big chance of a result, especially in their own ground.

Almost but not quite.
They see us as their biggest WINNABLE fixture. Hence they step up and have a proper go at us instead of playing for a draw as they would against Liverpool or City

HUGE difference. Huge.

We aren't a major scalp anymore we're a scalp that's achievable.

 

[Class of 63]

Take the T out and I'd say it's accurate.

You can't blame Ole, that'll be the leaky Roof

 

[Majima]

Personally I wouldn't have wanted him to go for Longstaff. He may have alternatives lined up, we will never know. I think that he would have got a striker in as it is clear that we are very short up front when Martial is injured. Maybe he didn't identify any targets to replace Lukaku because Woodward told him there wouldn't be any money available to do so.

Then you don't spend 130m on defence and let your most experienced number 9 leave at the last second, if you are expecting goals to be an issue?

He never thought goals were going to be a problem of course.

It was his decision.

 

[Rista]

We've seen that he can manage effectively against the big teams.

Yes, manage in a way that got previous managers sacked.

 

[roonster09]

Yes, manage in a way that got previous managers sacked.

Which managers got sacked for managing in that way?

 

[Majima]

Which managers got sacked for managing in that way?

Moyes.

 

[roonster09]

Moyes.

He wasn't sacked for playing counter attacking football (against big clubs), he was sacked as he took reigning PL champions to 7th place and shat on by every decent club.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Well maybe he shouldn't have spent £80m on a defender who was a very marginal upgrade on Smalling, at best, then?

I'm far from confident that if Ole was given another £100m to spend that he would've gotten two players that would've drastically improved us this season. Longstaff certainly wouldn't in midfield and I can't really think of any potential replacements for Lukaku either. At the end of the day he's the one who only wanted Lukaku to be a bit part player in favour of Rashford here (not something I disagree with, tbf) and if he knew he wanted to go he should've had a plan, but he clearly didn't. I just think it's really simplistic to assume that if he got these two players you speak of that we'd be any better off.

Fair enough your entitled to your opinion. Who do you think he should bought instead of Maguire?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Yes, manage in a way that got previous managers sacked.

He won't be here next season. We're on course to finish around 12-13th and the nightmare schedule hasn't even kicked in yet. Ed needs something to spin to the shareholders and season ticket holders and finishing that low isn't gonna cut it. He'll need to something 'decisive' to deflect attention from our league position and drab outlook.

I think he'll be too scared to outright fire Ole so DOF it is with a new boss. Everyone is a winner then.

 

[sglowrider]

Thanks for sharing. That is one thing that p!sses me off. That he wanted more signings and didn't get them. If he'd got those extra signings I think we would be in a lot better situation than we are in now.

United is run like a regular business organisation. We all forget that Woodward has annual financial goals/KPIs he has to meet both for the Glazers and the shareholder from the NYSE.

I am sure after all the feck-ups by Woodward & team with buying the wrong players and hiring the wrong managers, it has eventually caught up financially or at least will do in the next few years (diminished income etc.) He has to sync both the financial roadmap with that of the footballing side for the next few years. The years of austerity which Fergie had suffered from and the savings/cash from that I suspect has been blown in the past disastrous few years.

With any CEO, the easiest/no-brainer solution is to reduce costs (whilst trying to increase topline revenues.) Therefore, the primary objective last summer was the reduction of the wage bill as their first point of action.

The fact that we have to use more academy players is both a marketing gimmick but also a financial need if Woodward is to meet his fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders ie make a profit. All that rumour of United only having 100M to spend wasn't far off.

When you run an organisation you have to balance the priorities of the company -- between what you (as in Woodward) HAVE to achieve (in our case, positive bottom-line) and the secondary objective, a successful football club. Short term goals (financial) versus a mid-term objective.

It's not as simple as picking a line-item or narrow choice as some of you have chosen to focus on ... and then only criticising how the footballing side is managed. Its all interconnected -- financials and football operations. One affects the other.

The bottom line is that we are a run like business first and a football club second. Therefore, the Management's priority selection will always have to align accordingly and probably will not change with the Glazers.

 

[Mainoldo]

Fair enough your entitled to your opinion. Who do you think he should bought instead of Maguire?

No one. We had 6 defenders. Go get a midfielder and worry about the CB another time. Smalldini would have got us as much points as Harry Maguire.

 

[passing-wind]

Irrespective if your Ole in or out if Solskjaer doesn't make top 4 this season he's deserves the door. We got rid of LVG for finishing 5th, so why should Ole have any special requirements regarding the circumstances any manager of this team would face ?

I keep seeing posters use the "give him time argument" without assessing the metrics to if he deserves time. Do you really think the glazers haven't given the management any seasonal objectives ?

Top four or out.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Fair enough your entitled to your opinion. Who do you think he should bought instead of Maguire?

I would've kept Smalling and focused on more immediate areas like midfield and right wing.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Then you don't spend 130m on defence and let your most experienced number 9 leave at the last second, if you are expecting goals to be an issue?

He never thought goals were going to be a problem of course.

It was his decision.

I think we should have let Lukaku go earlier in the window earlier in the window. So that we would have had time to bring in another striker if I remeber correctly Ole said that he wanted to bring in another striker if Lukaku was to go.

 

[Mainoldo]

United is run like a regular business organisation. We all forget that Woodward has annual financial goals/KPIs he has to meet both for the Glazers and the shareholder from the NYSE.

I am sure after all the feck-ups by Woodward & team with buying the wrong players and hiring the wrong managers, it has eventually caught up financially or at least will do in the next few years (diminished income etc.) He has to sync both the financial roadmap with that of the footballing side for the next few years. The years of austerity which Fergie had suffered from and the savings/cash from that I suspect has been blown in the past disastrous few years.

With any CEO, the easiest/no-brainer solution is to reduce costs (whilst trying to increase topline revenues.) Therefore, the primary objective last summer was the reduction of the wage bill as their first point of action.

The fact that we have to use more academy players is both a marketing gimmick but also a financial need if Woodward is to meet his fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders ie make a profit. All that rumour of United only having 100M to spend wasn't far off.

When you run an organisation you have to balance the priorities of the company -- between what you (as in Woodward) HAVE to achieve (in our case, positive bottom-line) and the secondary objective, a successful football club. Short term goals (financial) versus a mid-term objective.

It's not as simple as picking a line-item or narrow choice as some of you have chosen to focus on ... and then only criticising how the footballing side is managed. Its all interconnected -- financials and football operations. One affects the other.

The bottom line is that we are a run like business first and a football club second. Therefore, the Management's priority selection will always have to align accordingly and probably will not change with the Glazers.

Atleast some people have common sense. Whether we like it or not. We have a budget.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

I would've kept Smalling and focused on more immediate areas like midfield and right wing.

Fair enough. I agree with you that we needed to recruit in other areas particularly midfield.