Bang average players, they should be beating this team with absolute ease. No wonder the U23’s got relegated. The future for this club isn’t looking good whatsoever... we’re a dinosaur club with an old stadium that’s falling apart. What the hell is going on, it’s absolutely pathetic that this shit is still going on since Fergie left, we need to move with modern times. Look at how City and Liverpool are doing things, their youth teams look fantastic from u18’s upwards, I simply cannot believe the state we are in and cannot see a turn around for at least another 10-15 years, everything needs scrapping and starting over, including this crumbling big old stadium.
EL L Europa League Group L
FC Astana 2:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Thu, 28 November 2019
Who cares, nothing match. Glad we gave a few youngsters a go.
So if we get beat 2-0 by AZ, Partizan beat Astana by 3 goals or more, we're out?
Yeah that's what I meant. You'd expect Partizan to beat Astana so if AZ lose tonight and don't beat us they are almost certainly out.
Where was Mata? What was the point of renewing his contract if he isn't gonna play these type of games?
Rather the kids played to be honest
Keeping it ticking and playing it safe is not the DNA of United. It is also not how that group of players usually play.
They did well but a little disappointing the didn't set out to play their natural game
They did well but a little disappointing the didn't set out to play their natural game
Laird did well, a player that desperately need match practice after being out injured, so we will keep on playing him at U23 level every single chance we get. Would not be to surprised to see Dalot being sold to Tottenham in january. Just like Shaw, AWB needs to watch out, as he risk being displaced by a youngster from our own ranks.
I always been impressed by Bernard, no idea why people keep on going on about Mengi, as Bernard always have been the better of the two. Got everything you want from a modern center back, only question I got, how good is he actually, as it can be hard to judge defensive talent on the U23 level.
Tuanzebe should be a candidate to start against Villa on sunday, if we keep the 3-4-3 system.
Levitt and Garner did great on the midfield, as expected, 64% possession. Did miss some killer breakthrough passes from them, but that might be asking to much. We need another midfielder, but we might also have the answer in the squad in these two + Mejbri. Hope to see them getting played over Matic going forward.
Chong, well, incoming daily reminder for the next 2 weeks about how people keep on writing him off. Gomes struggled to create, not a winger. Did not see much of Greenwood, but still our most dangerous player out there. Mellor on as first sub, guess Solskjaer fancy him, not that suspiring.
Partizan up 2-0 at halftime, so right now we got a golden opportunity to knock AZ out of the tournament if we dont loose the last game against them. Our schedule for the AZ game is a lot better then for this one.
I always been impressed by Bernard, no idea why people keep on going on about Mengi, as Bernard always have been the better of the two. Got everything you want from a modern center back, only question I got, how good is he actually, as it can be hard to judge defensive talent on the U23 level.
Tuanzebe should be a candidate to start against Villa on sunday, if we keep the 3-4-3 system.
Levitt and Garner did great on the midfield, as expected, 64% possession. Did miss some killer breakthrough passes from them, but that might be asking to much. We need another midfielder, but we might also have the answer in the squad in these two + Mejbri. Hope to see them getting played over Matic going forward.
Chong, well, incoming daily reminder for the next 2 weeks about how people keep on writing him off. Gomes struggled to create, not a winger. Did not see much of Greenwood, but still our most dangerous player out there. Mellor on as first sub, guess Solskjaer fancy him, not that suspiring.
Partizan up 2-0 at halftime, so right now we got a golden opportunity to knock AZ out of the tournament if we dont loose the last game against them. Our schedule for the AZ game is a lot better then for this one.
Your point isn't a good one.
You would have a point if Fergie had played Pogba, Lingard, Ravel, Keane brothers, and Vermijl as the young players that played Arsenal. That is not the case. You're comparing young players that are on average 2-3 years older than the ones that played today. Greenwood is 2 years younger than Welbeck. Midfield duo of Anderson and Cleverley are 3.5 years older than Levitt and Garner duo. The only accurate comparison is the CB comparison with Tuanzebe and Bernard being as young as Jones and Smalling, yet everyone who follows the youth will tell you that Bernard isn't at the level of his teammates who might not even make it themselves.
It's just not a good comparison where the seniors that were out there today were not nearly as good as the seniors that played against Arsenal, and they were more numerous to top it off.
I'm one of Ole's biggest critics but anyone blasting him for playing the kids in a meaningless game of football is a dope.
Nope it goes on head to head.
Great outing but result didn't go the way it should have.
Can't say I expected much better. The first team minus 1 or 2 struggled versus this team at OT. The whole club still has a huge cloud hanging going over it but at least there's a glimmer of hope with some of our young stars.
Ole isn't the man to make some of them superstars though. He's a legend in my eyes but the longer he sticks around the further we will be from the top. Need a world class coach and for Woodward to disappear for good asap.
Ole isn't the man to make some of them superstars though. He's a legend in my eyes but the longer he sticks around the further we will be from the top. Need a world class coach and for Woodward to disappear for good asap.
Quick thoughts:
1. Resting first team in this kind of outing was what you would expect from an EPL team playing against a team from a league of zero footballing strength. Aside from the well-funded Astana, Kazakhistan league has no team that would be able to compete even in EFL championship.
2. It's unbecoming of a world's largest club our subs team to be the same as our under-18s team (pretty much). Imagine if Liverpool or City wanted to rest their first-choice 11, who they would be playing. It wouldn't be majority 17-year olds. Giving youth chance ≠ having no senior players to learn from. It's the opposite.
3. Even our under-18 players should be able to beat Astana or at least draw.
4. There are serious fitness problems. You could clearly see it in the second half
5. Lingard is garbage, despite the goal. He shouldn't be playing at United making the kind of wages he's making.
1. Resting first team in this kind of outing was what you would expect from an EPL team playing against a team from a league of zero footballing strength. Aside from the well-funded Astana, Kazakhistan league has no team that would be able to compete even in EFL championship.
2. It's unbecoming of a world's largest club our subs team to be the same as our under-18s team (pretty much). Imagine if Liverpool or City wanted to rest their first-choice 11, who they would be playing. It wouldn't be majority 17-year olds. Giving youth chance ≠ having no senior players to learn from. It's the opposite.
3. Even our under-18 players should be able to beat Astana or at least draw.
4. There are serious fitness problems. You could clearly see it in the second half
5. Lingard is garbage, despite the goal. He shouldn't be playing at United making the kind of wages he's making.
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Tagline checks out.
Result doesn’t matter and it’s experience that counts. But at the same time you want to introduce your kids into a culture of success to increase confidence and make winning a habit.
Which is why all genuine advocates of youth, not just those who do it for PR, find the balance and usually also play 3-4 senior players to increase the odds of the win.
So I hope Ole learns and in the next match plays a few senior players because defeat after defeat won’t be good for these youngsters.
Which is why all genuine advocates of youth, not just those who do it for PR, find the balance and usually also play 3-4 senior players to increase the odds of the win.
So I hope Ole learns and in the next match plays a few senior players because defeat after defeat won’t be good for these youngsters.
Resting first team because we have thin squad and have match in Asia and then taking U23s is PR stunt 
Decent effort by us. We are facing the champions of Kazakhstan and our squad is made up of players who aren't old enough to drink beer. Got myself 100 though on Betfair though so thanks Ole!
Meanwhile in the EFL cup against League 1&2 men sides
Leicester ------7 pts out of 9 -------(+2)
Liverpool ------1 pt out of 9 -------(-4) *Eliminated
Aston Villa ----0 pts out of 6 -------(-3)*Eliminated
Newcastle -----0 pts out of 6 -------(-4)*Eliminated
Everton --------5 pts out of 9 -------(+2)
City ------------6 pts out of 9 -------(+1)
Wolves ---------4 pts out of 9 -------(+1)
United ----------9 pts out of 9 -------(+4)
Spurs -----------1 pts out of 9 -------(-3)*Eliminated
Norwich --------3 pts out of 9 --------(-2)*Eliminated
Brighton --------7 pts out of 9 -------(+4)
Southampton ---0 pts out of 9 -------(-3)*Eliminated
West Ham -------3 pts out of 6 -------(0)*Eliminated
Chelsea ----------6 pts out of 9 -------(+1)
Fulham ----------4 pts out of 9 --------(0)*Eliminated
Arsenal ----------2 pts out of 9 --------(-1)*Eliminated
But our u21s aren't good enough compared to other PL academy sides even though we've done the best. All because we played under Sbragia.
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They did very well, all of them, I like Laird looks a physical player, Chong ohh he be kicking himself with that miss, game over if that goes in, and just there luck, they score straight away, odd own goal, 2 cracking saves from there keeper as well, some decent ones in there if they step it up a bit, good experience for them no matter what the result.
Exactly
Disappointing result given the kids were by far the better side, game was too easy for them if anything which lead to complacency. I think at this moment of time it would have actually been a harder game if we played our first choice XI
Result going our way in the other game in the group which could mean another run out for that XI at OT in a few weeks time
Result going our way in the other game in the group which could mean another run out for that XI at OT in a few weeks time
LOL! +1
Agree that he should have rested our main players, but this game was not meaningless.
1. Winning Europa League is clearly our ONLY chance to get back to Champions League next year
2. We need Champions League decent players, or even future decent players to want to lay for us. Let's be real on that one.
3. If we finish 2nd in the group, we will have a tough opponent in the next round
4. If we had won this game, we'd have secured 1st place in the group. Now we HAVE to win AZ Alkmaar, which is 10x tougher team than this Astana thing.
So - no, it was NOT a meaningless game, but considering very long travel and importance of the next EPL matches, Ole did the right thing. However, let's not call this game "meaningless" because it was anything but. We would have done ourselves huge favor winning it.
Fergie threw most of the CO92 into a dead rubber game against Galatasary but they'd won the FA Youth Cup and were a bit older than this group, I think.
How many debuts in that game? How experienced were the players in that game relative to their age? Context is crucial.
You'd expect a team of kids to at least lookenthusiastic and hungry but that was probably the laziest performance I've ever seen even including pre season games.
Not acceptable at all
Not acceptable at all
You’ve absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and it shows. I don’t know why people feel they can comment on youth teams of our club or other PL clubs without watching them (which you obviously don’t).
I think the pitch had something to do with that, maybe it's just me but i was expecting a worse performance with far less attacking chances.
Shame we didn't get the win after leading at half time. We were by far the better team at that point. As many others have said if Chong had scored the tap in to make it 2-0 it probably would have turned out much differently.
Oh well, good experience for all the young lads who took part. Can't exactly read to much into this game regarding our current problems seeing as it was essentially our reserve team.
Oh well, good experience for all the young lads who took part. Can't exactly read to much into this game regarding our current problems seeing as it was essentially our reserve team.
Funny didn’t know result and game performance was the same thing.
AZ Alkmaar drew 2-2 tonight. That all means they are through to knock out stages and will likely rest a few players for the OT game now.
Don't count any chickens.Disappointing result given the kids were by far the better side, game was too easy for them if anything which lead to complacency. I think at this moment of time it would have actually been a harder game if we played our first choice XI
Result going our way in the other game in the group which could mean another run out for that XI at OT in a few weeks time
It's over.
Chong has a very long way to go.He seems poor whenever i have seen him play.I just hope he is not another Dong.i would rather prefer him to be a Chris Eagles.
The world is helpless, people expect wonders from just about everyone. There is pressure from age 6 till you retire. We need to accomplish this before age 12 and that before age 18 and so on. Climate change, apocalyptic predictions, fear mongering. Islamic people are evil, so are the Russians , more fear mongering. Performances must be better both at professional as at private level. Pressure, pressure. No house and kids at 30 what's wrong with me? I need more money, a better car, I need a bucket list, I can't relax, every minute just sitting is wasted time. I must travel, broaden my spectrum, I have to post on social media, brag about what I accomplished, compare and compare, get better, be ambitious, have goals. I have to party, have a social life, have tons of friends but but I can't combine it with my job and my hobbies...Help me, I'm going insane?
Kids of about 18/19 years of age need to wear the famous red shirt in front of 30000 people, perform, entertain...WIN. They must feel at home in a far away country, no time to adapt. We can't accept failure.
Mass suicides, depressed people, burn outs, protests, war, drugs, murder. Humankind at a boiling point. When will it be too much? Pressure builds up till it blows. Sometimes (read
ften) I just want to be a dog/cat...
Kids of about 18/19 years of age need to wear the famous red shirt in front of 30000 people, perform, entertain...WIN. They must feel at home in a far away country, no time to adapt. We can't accept failure.
Mass suicides, depressed people, burn outs, protests, war, drugs, murder. Humankind at a boiling point. When will it be too much? Pressure builds up till it blows. Sometimes (read
ften) I just want to be a dog/cat...What this guy said!The world is helpless, people expect wonders from just about everyone. There is pressure from age 6 till you retire. We need to accomplish this before age 12 and that before age 18 and so on. Climate change, apocalyptic predictions, fear mongering. Islamic people are evil, so are the Russians , more fear mongering. Performances must be better both at professional as at private level. Pressure, pressure. No house and kids at 30 what's wrong with me? I need more money, a better car, I need a bucket list, I can't relax, every minute just sitting is wasted time. I must travel, broaden my spectrum, I have to post on social media, brag about what I accomplished, compare and compare, get better, be ambitious, have goals. I have to party, have a social life, have tons of friends but but I can't combine it with my job and my hobbies...Help me, I'm going insane?
Kids of about 18/19 years of age need to wear the famous red shirt in front of 30000 people, perform, entertain...WIN. They must feel at home in a far away country, no time to adapt. We can't accept failure.
Mass suicides, depressed people, burn outs, protests, war, drugs, murder. Humankind at a boiling point. When will it be too much? Pressure builds up till it blows. Sometimes (read
You are not able to predict what happens in the next hour. Yet alone the next 10 to 15 years
Stop being silly!
I hate to be this guy, but did he look heavy?
Not sure what all the moaners were watching. I saw a group of teenagers looking comfortably better than a proper team of fully grown men, unlucky not to score enough in the first half to take the game out of Astana's hands, and then wilt a little and show defensive naivety when it started to go wrong.
People think talent is everything in this game but experience is vital. The talent was there for everyone to see, but of course a bunch of kids are unlikely to have the experience to actually go and see out a win against a seasoned mature team, wherever they play their football. Half our side have never played a competitive football match against adults before.
Life is not Football Manager.
People think talent is everything in this game but experience is vital. The talent was there for everyone to see, but of course a bunch of kids are unlikely to have the experience to actually go and see out a win against a seasoned mature team, wherever they play their football. Half our side have never played a competitive football match against adults before.
Life is not Football Manager.
You can really tell that after one game, away?
This was quite a nothing match so I guess the players got some good experience at the least. Disappointing result because I saw the first 20 mins and Astana looked really bad. Surprised we let the game slip, but don't mind as long as we qualify.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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13%
Dylan Levitt
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12%
Jesse Lingard
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10%
James Garner
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8%
Angel Gomes
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4%
Mason Greenwood
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3%
Luke Shaw
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3%
Axel Tuanzebe
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1%
DiShon Bernard
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1%
Lee Grant
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 130 ratings.
Score Predictions
154,32,58
- Man Utd win
- Astana win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 19% Astana 0:2 Man Utd
- 16% Astana 1:1 Man Utd
- 12% Astana 0:1 Man Utd
- 12% Astana 1:2 Man Utd
- 8% Astana 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% Astana 0:3 Man Utd
- 6% Astana 0:0 Man Utd
- 4% Astana 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Astana 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Astana 1:0 Man Utd
- 2% Astana 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Astana 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Astana 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Astana 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Astana 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Astana 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Astana 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Astana 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Astana 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Astana 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Astana 3:2 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Astana
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 34% 66%
- Shots
- 16 20
- Shots on Target
- 4 5
- Corners
- 5 7
- Fouls
- 13 8
Referee
Donatas Rumsas
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Ethan Galbraith
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replaced by Largie Ramazani
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replaced by D'Mani Bughail-Mellor
