Yes. Chelsea and City also struggling this season.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I don't know. Hardly anyone of his signings were succesfull. And he spent a lot of money at that time. He did maybe slightly better than Ole, but spent much more as well. But yeah, he did a full rebuild, but fecked it up as well.
Yes, we kept Martial and Romero. The rest are either gone or on their way
Rashford & Martial are 2 of our very best players and we have him to thank for them.
He didn’t spend much more at all in his first summer did?
And LVG got 4th in season one and ended his United time with a win rate around 53% whilst Ole’s “rebuild” is having a win rate around half of that.
Blind is a better player than Lindelöf for what it’s worth. Ok, not all of his signings paid off especially as we replaced him with a completely different kind of manager. And let’s be honest here, there’s a huge chance a new manager won’t fancy AWB or James one little bit.
I am in stitches.
If we replaced OGS with Klopp tomorrow James & AWB wouldn’t last 2 more seasons either.
If we buy the likes of Longstaff or Rice I’d imagine they would be fecked off by a manager that wants to play great football too.
Big difference is that win percentage, LVG proved even a shit rebuild can be done without embarrassing the club with a 27% win rate
Am I wrong @Shamana ?
LVG win rate 52.43Big difference is that win percentage, LVG proved even a shit rebuild can be done without embarrassing the club with a 27% win rate
Am I wrong @Shamana ?
Ole win rate 50.85
Some real garbage here.
Premier League win rate Samid?
Have I been fooled by MaxiPaxi’s retweet?
Either way, I’ve said now aint the time to sack Ole (it was after Watford) or if we drop into another shocking spell and end up in 8th, however I do believe in hindsight LVG was doing a much better rebuild.
Difference is that this stat is at a position when he had won an FA Cup and yet we sacked him. Ole's win rate includes his best winning run which has fallen away and now we're in a worse position than the time where we had sacked LVG.
I wouldn't worry unless we lose three times every month.
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The major issue I have right now is the lack of consistency. We don't really seem to have a cohesive way of playing from one game to the next, last night every player was receiving the ball whilst standing still which wasn't happening the two games previous.
This begs the question why does this happen, when the players can obviously perform but don't show it on a consistent basis?
City and Liverpool play very much the same way every game, are always on the move and seem to be way more cohesive then us.
It has to come down to two things - coaching and lack of personnel, we don't have a strong enough midfield and the players we do have don't appear to be structured or coached to a degree that they can perform on a regular basis.
This begs the question why does this happen, when the players can obviously perform but don't show it on a consistent basis?
City and Liverpool play very much the same way every game, are always on the move and seem to be way more cohesive then us.
It has to come down to two things - coaching and lack of personnel, we don't have a strong enough midfield and the players we do have don't appear to be structured or coached to a degree that they can perform on a regular basis.
Wow even worse than LVG.
We looked incredible after 10 days with Ole too. All of a sudden we'd started being able to score goals and play attacking football. It didn't last. And now we are laughed at. Perhaps Arsenal will have the exact same experience.
What the feck is this garbage?!
I don’t see how people keep falling for this “oh it’s a rebuild... it takes time nonsense” if the manager is good enough both tactically and able to man manage then there should be clear and obvious improvements from the off. Rodgers didn’t need 12 months and rebuild to get Leicester flying that’s because he is a more than proven competent manager. We have a squad of players that should be with a decent leader making 3rd / 4th comfortably. It pains me that anyone seriously thinks just because a few players who didn’t want to be here and have been moved on that’s a rebuild.
Oles football is largely dross relying on Rashford or Martial to strike lucky. We look lost and it is only a matter of time before he gets sacked.
This isn’t a rebuild it’s a disaster of an experiment that needs to end, he looks more clueless and lost than Moyes and in 12 months our football had gone backwards.
feck me that tweet from MaxiPaxi that fooled me was out
OGS's Premier League win rate is 47.6%. Since the end of the "bounce" (after Arsenal away) and our subsequent downturn in form it's 29 games, 10 wins so 34.4%.
If we take this season alone @Samid so just considering the beginning of the rebuild it's 38%.
LVG definitely did a better job and proved a full shit rebuild can be done without falling to such embarrassing levels, he finished his United times with a 51.3% Premier League win rate. Ole will need to go on some unbelievable run to reach those levels.
I hope so.
We always go from one extreme to another.
Mourinho was a dour Dementor, so we hire a court jester.
Mourinho was a dour Dementor, so we hire a court jester.
Rio and van Persie said that SAF used to make Rooney, Scholes etc fear for their places if they didn't pass the ball forward. I don't know if Ole can, or wants to make the players fear him.
Doubt Ole can do that and we do not have the options to make them fear for their places anyway. You could threaten them with bringing a kid in to replace them, but they know Ole is desperate to keep his job and might not be willing to take that risk.
Ole has come in with a simple idea, which was very similar to Mou's and set us up for counter attacking football as well as seemingly trying to implement an organised pressing game. Fair play, that's his style and he's tried to implement it but let's not pretend a manager should have a huge amount of time to basically setup the same way as his predecessor did if he's not getting results. The jury remains out on the pressing side as well - for example Southampton who have a squad made up of bigger club's rejects press far better than us despite 'worse' players across the park. That part's all about coaching and people can't use the 'the doesn't have the players' excuse because pressing is a simple skillset which even someone like Mata could do because it's based on positioning and forecasting when to press as a unit, not just sprinting randomly after the ball like we tend to do.
I know, I just hope one day, one day maybe we’ll go out and hire an exciting, tactically astute young manager with a good track record and modern ideas...one can dream.
You mean like Julien Nagelsmann. Not somebody who thinks he is the embodiment of somebody who retired years. Football has moved on. Pity Manchester United can't.
Genuinely can't see this happening till the Glazers are gone.
Can you actually see any decent to good to great players joining United with Ole in charge. The footballing world will be taking note of his tactical inability. Then he is coming out with inane statements.
He can, during Halloween wearing Sanchez costume. They will shit themselves.
Possibly. I don't know how similar to Mourinho he is. The Lukaku-style didnt last long. Pressing and high intensity ain't easy. Theres a reson for the PED threads on here. You at the very least need the right players for it to keep it up for a season. Mata/Matic don't stike me as high.intensity players. AWB/James/Lingard/maybe Fred/McT does. Southampton is not doing that much better then us.
We can sign one of the Longstaffs. That's about it.
Whichever one we sign Ole will make it the wrong one.
Starting Lingard yesterday is both a mind boggling and unforgivable decision... I mean really, what did he expect to happen?
He must be the only manager in the league who doesn't know the use of the technical area. He just sits there, legs crossed, looking fed up and whispering to his assistants. Pep, Klopp, Lampard, arteta, Mourinho, Rodgers, Howe, Hasenhuttl, Potter, Nuno, Pearson, Wilder - all of these managers spend most of the duration of games standing near the touchline, encouraging the players and getting instructions across. Everytime the camera pans towards the technical areas, you've got the opposition head coach occupying theirs, and ours just empty. It's embarrasing, discouraging and soul crushing. I was impressed with one of the head coaches yesterday - the novice among the two.
Yes, exactly who I had in mind when writing that post...You’d think we weren’t one of the biggest clubs in the world or something . Oh wait even smaller, less successful clubs make much better managerial appointments then we do.
Spot on and further our problems are confounded by what we do with the ball when we have it. You cannot press the way Lingard does and then lose the space that he was supposed to protect. It seems that Ole thinks pressing is now the right word and hence try to do it without actually realising what to do with the ball when we actually have it.
These days the top managers are few but very good. No rookie manager is going to come and over take them in a marathon. Yes we beat City but there is no way that Ole is better than Pep. We need someone who has knowledge and experience in playing good football.
Players know that they are not going to win any trophies under Ole. We need a manager who can win trophies for them to play at over 100% all the time.
Yep, sadly it looks that way and that’ll be a while yet it seems so long as we still rake it in on the commercial side of things. The other problem is there’s only a select few that could even afford to buy the club making it even harder to get shot of these leeching cnuts.
Couldn't agree more, they will run us into the ground, until the sponsorship deals start drying up. If we continue on our downward spiral it might happen quicker than you think. A lot of our sponsors are abroad and other clubs are making big inroads in that area.
One of the most annoying things is this season is more than saveable. We're just a few points off 4th, our competition like us are all over the place, with some good decisions from this football club, we could I think make top 4 and win a trophy, but I have zero trust or belief we'll do the right moves for this situation.
People talking about it being a write off are mugs, there's more than enough time to get something from it.
People talking about it being a write off are mugs, there's more than enough time to get something from it.
Rashford is a youth product and Martial has been hit and miss all through his time here. Not that he hasn't performed in periods, but there's been many saying that he's lazy and inconsistent. You have to take into account how much more inflated the market is now. It was inflated during LVGS time as well, but it's double that now. A good english rightback costs 50 mil and a good CB goes for 80 mil. The overall rise in revenue + oil money, neymar, coutinho etc has completely inflated the market.
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