Still doesn't make maguire a crap signing or a deadwood.
Maguire's persistent ball hogging
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No but his performances do.
No his performance so far has not been crap. Just because he has not fulfilled his 80m price tag doesn't make him one.
I think he has consistently proved himself in the first department: he is very good at winning aerial duels - and also at reading situations where winning those duels is beneficial (pushing up from a deeper position to engage players in order to snuff out danger). This is a very good trait of his - and one any team will benefit from.
The second department - no, he hasn't proved himself there, I agree. He has, occasionally, started attacks with mid- or long-range passes (decent ones) of the sort you don't fancy any of our other options to offer - but he hasn't incorporated this into his game as a feature which (frequently, regularly) benefits the team. This obviously has something to do with the way we normally play, though - he hasn't had ample opportunities to showcase his passing (one could say).
But he wasn't known as an outstanding player in terms of passing and/or moving the ball forward - he was known as someone who was good at it (unlike - to the make the most obvious example - Smalling). Which goes back to the original point: nobody (that I'm aware of) considered him a player who was worth a world record amount because of his ball playing skills, he didn't stand out in that respect as someone you'd be willing to pay a shitload for (because he was exceptionally good at it).
Maguire isn't exceptionally good at anything, really - and that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. That's my point, though - he kind of is what it said on the tin, only we paid an excessive amount for a decent tin of - dare I say - beanz.
Decent beans/beanz will do fine with excellent eggs, prime bacon, a nice sausage or two, first rate fried mushrooms, tomatoes - maybe even some black pudding, who knows, and...yeah, I'll stop there.
He has?
Brilliant Post. We may see the best of Maguire alongside prime breakfast staples. However, let's pray our transfer strategy isn't just a full English. Some Chorizo would be nice .
He will be a victim of the stupid price tag, just like Pogba and all the others in years gone by.
He's not set the world alight, but he isn't losing us games regularly on his own and that is a fact.
He's not set the world alight, but he isn't losing us games regularly on his own and that is a fact.
Laporte great. Stones pretty bad.
Fantastic post. Balanced, grounded points made and now I'm hungry as well
I brought this up a while back and got laughed at because first and foremost he’s a centre back .
Jonny Evans looks like a 80 £ mill CB for Leicester this season. Maguire is not so much better than Evans. It just show Maguire is not a key to top 4. Evans and Soy are doing it for Leicester now. Wrong move this summer. Wasn’t willy to spend a bit more for Bruno Fernandes. Went for Dybala abd Eriksen in the end. End up with none new quality creative player. The key and biggest difference of top 4. Not enough creative qualities to open up tight defenders.
Smalling and Jones more than good enough for top 4. So a bit domino effect. Wrong choices lead to another. Spending time on CB and Nr.10. Got the CB, but failed to get nr.10. Leading United on a struggling path against tight defenders.
But if the club get a top nr.8, 10 and RW. This January and summer. Then the chance to get top 4 or better will rise. 3 or maybe 4 top or quality signings. Depend United showing as a really good football team until summer transfer window. It will cover over last summer poor decision. Spend 60-80 mill £ on a nr.8 or 10 instead.
And if Ole get a new chances and time to get the right players. Then it is not because him is the right manager. Ole get lucky and time to buying him success. More of a buying manager, then compare Arsene Wenger who turned Henry to one of the best striker in Premier league history. Wenger was really good to develop players. But his time has to come to and end too.
But back to Maguire. Compare to Van Dijk. Maguire doesn’t has that dominant presence and aura by him. You can see it with Van Dijk. A majestic aura of a CB. You can see Van Dijk is a dominant CB, even he is not touching the ball. Same with Stam and Lucio. Or Zidane and Cantona in midfield. Maguire is lacking that dominant presence. Special for CB. You can easily see it. Winners and world class players who are tall use to have it. It goes hand in hand. A athlete body of a god and beast.
So hopefully Maguire will show more of dominance presence. A fear factor and show that you are the boss and own the pitch out there. Maguire hasn’t been to shy so far. Bring out the beast in him, of a CB. And for world record for a CB. I can expect the dominance and fear factor presence from him. Sign of a true leader and winner. You can see clearly Lindelof doesn’t has it. But for some, they just have it.
Smalling and Jones more than good enough for top 4. So a bit domino effect. Wrong choices lead to another. Spending time on CB and Nr.10. Got the CB, but failed to get nr.10. Leading United on a struggling path against tight defenders.
But if the club get a top nr.8, 10 and RW. This January and summer. Then the chance to get top 4 or better will rise. 3 or maybe 4 top or quality signings. Depend United showing as a really good football team until summer transfer window. It will cover over last summer poor decision. Spend 60-80 mill £ on a nr.8 or 10 instead.
And if Ole get a new chances and time to get the right players. Then it is not because him is the right manager. Ole get lucky and time to buying him success. More of a buying manager, then compare Arsene Wenger who turned Henry to one of the best striker in Premier league history. Wenger was really good to develop players. But his time has to come to and end too.
But back to Maguire. Compare to Van Dijk. Maguire doesn’t has that dominant presence and aura by him. You can see it with Van Dijk. A majestic aura of a CB. You can see Van Dijk is a dominant CB, even he is not touching the ball. Same with Stam and Lucio. Or Zidane and Cantona in midfield. Maguire is lacking that dominant presence. Special for CB. You can easily see it. Winners and world class players who are tall use to have it. It goes hand in hand. A athlete body of a god and beast.
So hopefully Maguire will show more of dominance presence. A fear factor and show that you are the boss and own the pitch out there. Maguire hasn’t been to shy so far. Bring out the beast in him, of a CB. And for world record for a CB. I can expect the dominance and fear factor presence from him. Sign of a true leader and winner. You can see clearly Lindelof doesn’t has it. But for some, they just have it.
This 100% there are bitter people on here looking to pile on to every player in every thread. With fans like these who needs enemies, he isn’t the issue and once he’s more settled in Manchester with his very young family he’ll improve further.
Absolutely he could’ve had 2 or 3 by now.
Not long ago they were slating Rashford. As soon as a player makes a mistake, you ll see them spouting "shite".
Thing is most of them are clueless knee jerkers or Twitter thrash. They come over here and infest all the threads with the same drivel. Sad lot.
By the way, even here I have a slight issue with him — his aerial presence during set pieces on both sides of the pitch was really unimpressive. I don't have huge concerns about it though, this I can explain by his form/partners/adjusting to a new team & our horrible set piece tactics. He's very good at reading those situations and clearing them out in an open play though.
Hard to disagree with this. The problem with Maguire is that he isn't athletic, so there are situations where he cannot be in control. For those types of players you mentioned, you get the feeling that they can do it all themselves, whereas Maguire doesn't give off that feeling.
He can't make himself any quicker, so I doubt he'll be developing that kind of aura any time soon. It's just not possible for him.
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If we want to play from the back then we don't have that type of defenders. It is the responsibility of fred to be available and collect the ball.
Before he came here, most would have expected him to be absolutely imperious in the air, as he seemed to be for Leicester and England and a genuine, constant goal threat on set pieces. He was also expected to be positionally sound in both control of his line and in covering his own back in terms of his lack of pace.
I don't think he was expected to be outstanding at anything other than those two things, but he was supposed to be well above average in terms of carrying the ball via dribbling and then doing something productive with it at the end.
In these four facets, it feels like he's not done himself any favours here and that has brought scrutiny to his doorstep and made the fee more questionable than it was initially as we always knew we would have to overpay, but at least, for that money, we were supposed to be getting a player who was exceptional at the facets in the first paragraph and very good at those in the second.
Thus far, I wouldn't say Maguire has been a dud, and I wouldn't write him off as someone who can't turn things around, but he looks like a lesser player than we thought we were getting and his vulnerabilities aren't being compensated with spikes in the areas he was expected to be good at, which simply has to be a bone of contention, and no doubt a concern for our board, who, you have to think, would then become reluctant the next time it comes down to releasing funds in that region next time round.
Thinking about Maguire, one might expect John Terry lite - someone who will never be as good as, but certainly a player who should be accelerant in the same areas as an equally slow centre-back. Having said that, Chelsea sat deep for Terry and made sure he was never exposed where we've not given Maguire anything like the same platform in the way we've set up, which is always going to make a defender of his type look worse than he is, still, his lack of pace is the least of the concerns as it's the things he was supposed to bring to the table that are letting him and the side down the most.
We want to play from the back but Maguire's options are usually limited to passing it around the back or lumping it forward, because most of the time we are incapable of starting a move from the back going through the middle, as far as I can see he's holding on to it because he wants to pass it forward and he's waiting on the midfielders to present themselves for a pass but usually they are hiding or just being completely static and waiting for the ball to come to them instead of going to it
The trend is rampant throughout football now with anyone & their dog posting on social media. For the most part they really don't have a sufficient knowledge of whats happening on the pitch to make a meaningful comment. My biggest issue with it is the garbage press sift through Twitter & find five comments that a certain player is crap & they then make that into a story. I think Maguire has been on the positive side of OK but just not fantastic.
Yes, and look at the differences when McTominay plays and doesn't.
It is fair to say Maguire needs improving in certain areas but for people to say he is rubbish is a bit over the top.
McTominay is not a CDM that sits infront of the back 4 and cleans up. We play a double pivot and neither Mctominay or Fred are DM's.
When you are struggling to create chances, it should be in the manager's interest to work on set pieces and look dangerous from them. The annoying thins is we don't look dangerous from set pieces. I remember playing Chelsea away and Mata used to deliver some really dangerous corners but for us he can't replicate that?
He's not, De Gea is!
Bump.
Who the feck in our coaching staff has instructed him to take 20 touches before playing the most obvious pass? His long passing is atrocious. His most obvious short pass to the next CB or Shaw is also played behind the man so that there is no way they can take the ball in their stride and actually take it forward. And the way he takes ball off our own team players like he's fecking Xavi.
It was evident in minute one and no one bothered to make changes. Shocking really.
Who the feck in our coaching staff has instructed him to take 20 touches before playing the most obvious pass? His long passing is atrocious. His most obvious short pass to the next CB or Shaw is also played behind the man so that there is no way they can take the ball in their stride and actually take it forward. And the way he takes ball off our own team players like he's fecking Xavi.
It was evident in minute one and no one bothered to make changes. Shocking really.
It's so frustrating that nobody on the coaching side, or even on the players side, sees this and calls him out on it.
Just kick the fecking thing forward and if you're not good enough to do that then give it to Lindelof or Shaw immediately, no need to think about it. Just give it to them.
We have goals that need scoring and a game to win
Just kick the fecking thing forward and if you're not good enough to do that then give it to Lindelof or Shaw immediately, no need to think about it. Just give it to them.
We have goals that need scoring and a game to win
He's not as bad as Ball Hogba.
His task is to move the team up the pitch when there is space on that side. It makes the then short pass to Shaw put him in a good position on the left side.
His task is to move the team up the pitch when there is space on that side. It makes the then short pass to Shaw put him in a good position on the left side.
You use full stops in place of commas. And throw in some more anyway. You are completely correct with everything you said. Best post. In this thread.
I'm stealing thisI've never been so convinced Ole doesn't really know what he's doing than when we started the second half last night with Matic next to Maguire at centreback.
There is no situation, in any game, ever, where this is not an awful idea. It's like we think having our players walk aimlessly about the pitch with the ball is a good thing
There is no situation, in any game, ever, where this is not an awful idea. It's like we think having our players walk aimlessly about the pitch with the ball is a good thing
I don’t even particularly agree, but that’s brilliant and I’ll refer to him as that from now on.
Poor reading
Slow in thought
Poor lad
Slow in thought
Poor lad
Classic post
Its a problem across the team. Funny when we go 1-2 goals down too and we immediately begin moving the ball quicker.
'Ah feck we're forced to play with some urgency now'
'Ah feck we're forced to play with some urgency now'
I actually don’t think Harry is that good on the ball, it’s like he is trying to convince everyone that he is comfortable on the ball and he ends up looking clumsy and unconvincing. Like if he just keeps trying to surge forward and attempting a few pings people will think he is a top ball playing defender, he isn’t.
He is probably our best defender since Rio who is good at controlling the ball under pressure and carrying it forward. However, it is blatantly obvious that he lack confidence in his passing. His long pass is almost non-existent.
Blind was miles better than HM.
Haha, great analogy.
I'm almost certain it's because none of the feckers in front of the defenders move. They just stand and watch off the ball. It's amazing.
Wasn’t it him that put a good long ball in for Fernandes to volley in the box clear on goal (body shape was wrong and hit it out for a throw)? He isn’t the best but I think the problem half the time is our off the ball movement. We don’t spread on the pitch outside full backs enough and can’t seem to beat a press the past few matches except in the last 10 minutes. There are exceptions but this is in general.
Just here to join the chorus:
And to try and add something constructive: if a Rose, Nagelsmann or Hasenhüttl were to take over, what do you guys think would happen to Maguire? Would he able to adapt and keep his place?
Did you find my school report?