The “Ole In” Brigade

Well he could come out and say he’s got a £200m kitty for January, that would not be a good idea for obvious reasons.
A good idea would be buying some players, let’s see if it happens.
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites

You are bigger clown because it was Ole himself who kept these players. He also got rid of Fellaini and Smalling and accepting that what he has is good enough. These players are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are all International players. Get them a decent manager and they will play a lot better. Even a blind ,man can see that City did not have an CFs. Yet Ole could not see that and push one of our CBs into that space. Jones and Lindelof did not have anyone to even mark and floundered because the manager did not change the tactics. You give this team to Pep and he may not win anything but for sure he will get us to play a lot better football.
 
It seems like a foreign idea to some people that a good manager should be able to make players look better.

It's easy to be a complete shambles and have everybody playing shit and then just say "Well look how shit these players are what could I do about it??". Absolutely anyone could do that. Before you know it the likes of Maguire and AWB whose performances have been gradually deteriorating the longer they are here will join the list and it will be the same message again, "Did you see that lineup? What do you expect" etc etc.

Lest we forget what Fergie could achieve with a reserve squad against Arsenal in the FA Cup. Or Klopp making 9 changes and still playing a full-strength Everton off the park. Of course those are two of the very top managers, but we should at least maintain a standard where we expect our coach to meaningfully improve players and get the most out of them. It's absolutely shameful how far and how fast we have fallen.
 
Our idea of rebuild is buy an egg, hatch it, wait for it to become chick, and raise it, before we cut it and cook a fried chicken out of it.

Meanwhile other team just buy a chicken and actually just fecking fry it.

In 3 years the rebuild would failed because awb turns to be a worse version of valencia, Maguire is a fraud, and james has been found out as championship player. Keep this midtable things going on for another 1 year martial would demand a move, pogba would move, sancho wont come, maybe longstaff would.

Then he'll leave the squad with exactly the same situation he found them, full of deadwoods.
 
I really can't understand how he can be smiling after the game or how naive he was during the game before City scored. This is not even championship quality coaching. This is worse than that. The players will get demoralised. Players expect managers to come up with ideas and tactics to beat the other teams. If the managers can't then they know he has no idea how to do it and would get into accepting losing mentality.
 
For the love of god the argument was about owners and chairman take the easy option and I gave an example of a chairman we all know that said exactly the same not that Ole is another Fergie, some of you guys are unbearable at times yet call me a prick every day on here :rolleyes:

And the hard option for Liverpool was to continue with Hogdson.

The hard option for United was to continue with Moyes.

The hard option for Chelsea was to continue with Di Matteo.

Continuing with crap managers who have given you absolutely no reason in their past or your current situation to believe that they can turn it around and go from utter crap to brilliant isn't just "not taking the easy route", it's down right stupidity.
 
It’s hilarious how many people think the manager can’t make a difference or no one could do better. We have a manager that literally wouldn’t get a job in the Championship and who was holding back Molde. It’s really not difficult to find someone who could do better and it’s also not a surprise we look worse than ever post SAF with a manager who is considerably worse than Moyes, LVG or Jose.
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites
Errr...fair enough the players may not be good enough - and remember was it not Ole telling everyone he is happy with his squad and will only sign players who will improve his squad?

in any case surely our players and squad are much better than the likes of Newcastle, CP, West Ham, Bournemouth....Ole picks the team and lays out the game plan for the players to execute. If it is not working he needs to adopt/adapt and change as soon as he realizes it’s not working. He is not decisive in adapting his game plan to suit the opposition and consistently sticks with the same formation and players that have churned out the same inconsistent results over the past 9 months. How he is still manager of this beautiful club is an enigma to me
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites
Note sure how this one got promoted.

Tell me any manager who would make these players better :lol: I think we've a forgotten those numerous CLs won by Ole who is clearly the very best in the business.
 
Well we shall just agree to disagree I’m not staying up all night debating with you. Maguire came, he’s not driven by money or a mercenary and he’s improved us and one of our best players. More signings like that will improve us. Goodnight

We overpaid both in fee and salary. If City matched our bid he most probably won't be here.

It's also very early to say if he is a successful buy or not. Matic improved us when he came here.
 
Note sure how this one got promoted.

Tell me any manager who would make these players better :lol: I think we've a forgotten those numerous CLs won by Ole who is clearly the very best in the business.

If managers are essentially without influence on performances and results and entirely reliant on players, then presumably the Ole apologists on here believe that, if you swapped him with Klopp, he would be leading the current Liverpool squad to the title with 100 points? Or does the reasoning only flow one way?
 
You do realise he has decided to gut the squad that finished 2nd and go with this squad?

Kin ell people, you don't back a manager because his squad is shit when he is responsible for it being shit and light.


He gutted the squad of players that needed gutted. Players with bad attitude and players not good enough. In the next 3 windows you see another 10 potentially gutted I've no doubt about it.



Its essential. We are in the middle of a rebuild. The only players worth talking about are the youth, the players he bought, and some established players who are already at the club like rashford, martial, de gea and cant believe I'm saying this Fred. Honestly I'm struggling to think of players here who I would keep.


I know some of the sh#te got new contracts but that's purely Woodward trying to protect the club with some resale value.


At this moment imo Ole the least of our worries. He needs another 3 windows to gut and improve this squad. If we change manager again it be same issues, another manager with different idea, and a chairman who uses youtube to buy players :wenger:
 
I've said so many times on here, but I'm all for giving a manager time, we have to do that, and we've actually done it with Jose, LVG, but Ole doesn't deserve it, he's way out of his depth, and giving him years is suicidal. He's the perfect stop gap to get rid of some of the deadwood, that was this season, he's got to go in the summer if the club wants to move forward, or we're in so much trouble.
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites

Hehe.
 
I've said so many times on here, but I'm all for giving a manager time, we have to do that, and we've actually done it with Jose, LVG, but Ole doesn't deserve it, he's way out of his depth, and giving him years is suicidal. He's the perfect stop gap to get rid of some of the deadwood, that was this season, he's got to go in the summer if the club wants to move forward, or we're in so much trouble.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's still here next season.
 
And the hard option for Liverpool was to continue with Hogdson.

The hard option for United was to continue with Moyes.

The hard option for Chelsea was to continue with Di Matteo.

Continuing with crap managers who have given you absolutely no reason in their past or your current situation to believe that they can turn it around and go from utter crap to brilliant isn't just "not taking the easy route", it's down right stupidity.

Again missing the point of the argument.
 
You are completely missing the point...

What the Glazers are doing is appointing a puppet that other puppets will follow and won't say a word.

Yet you want them to sack him and we end up with god knows who and the glazers get more time to milk us.
 
No point firing him now. We still have a shot at top 4 and the europa and we are in the middle of a transfer window, presumably looking to bring players in.

Firing him now will disrupt a lot more than it will correct. By the looks of it, poch will remain available till the summer and perhaps the club can take a call, based on where we are in April.
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .
You forgot to add Shaw and Bailly to that list.
 
To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites

under whose watch Mata and Jones were given contracts?
 
Yet you want them to sack him and we end up with god knows who and the glazers get more time to milk us.
They will be milking us either way.

If they keep Ole it won't require further investment from them - they will sell the young hungry British players crap and Ole embraces it.

A proven manager won't buy that crap and won't be just a puppet in their hands, where the difference lies.

Ole is part of the structure you are fighting against and a big part currently considering he is their mouthpiece.
 
I'm really surprised people continue to forget our current status in the league. Where would you place us now under any manager? Above Chelsea? Leicester? Going toe to toe with the likes of City and Liverpool?

People have short memories. You fully expect City to come and beat us and then want to sack the manager when he doesn't dominate them, it's amazing!
 
I'm really surprised people continue to forget our current status in the league. Where would you place us now under any manager? Above Chelsea? Leicester? Going toe to toe with the likes of City and Liverpool?

People have short memories. You fully expect City to come and beat us and then want to sack the manager when he doesn't dominate them, it's amazing!
We were 6 points off Chelsea last year, who had a transfer ban, a new manager and lost their best player.

We were 14 points above Leicester last year, took their best defender for 80m and they strengthened their team with Praet and Perez, whilst we spent 150m.

Who should we compare with? Aston Villa?
 
They will be milking us either way.

If they keep Ole it won't require further investment from them - they will sell the young hungry British players crap and Ole embraces it.

A proven manager won't buy that crap and won't be just a puppet in their hands, where the difference lies.

Ole is part of the structure you are fighting against and a big part currently considering he is their mouthpiece.

You see I don't get this. You know that we spent a fortune with all managers, that we are currently still spending big due to those decisions, you know that young hungry british players are probably the most expensive commodity in football but you play the "not require further investment" angle. The problem isn't and has never been a lack of investment or will to invest.
 
They will be milking us either way.

If they keep Ole it won't require further investment from them - they will sell the young hungry British players crap and Ole embraces it.

A proven manager won't buy that crap and won't be just a puppet in their hands, where the difference lies.

Ole is part of the structure you are fighting against and a big part currently considering he is their mouthpiece.
So the solution is to let them sack him and then let them decide who to hire?

I can’t see what can possibly go wrong.
 
We were 6 points off Chelsea last year, who had a transfer ban, a new manager and lost their best player.

We were 14 points above Leicester last year, took their best defender for 80m and they strengthened their team with Praet and Perez, whilst we spent 150m.

Who should we compare with? Aston Villa?

The fact he lumped Leicester in there shows he’s completely unable to have a negative thought on the matter, he’s so firmly in Ole in that the mere idea of competing with the great Leicester squad that Rogers took over in February, miles behind United in 12th is ridiculous to him.

It’s absolutely pointless debating with him, at this stage the self proclaimed “Ole In brigade” are the same as climate change deniers, it doesn’t matter how much hard evidence you throw their way.
 
So the solution is to let them sack him and then let them decide who to hire?

I can’t see what can possibly go wrong.

Well the 3 previous managers did a damn site better than this one so I’d say removing him is a good start.

We aint removing the owners of a multi billion dollar business, we can easily replace the manager with a better one.
 
You fully expect City to come and beat us and then want to sack the manager when he doesn't dominate them, it's amazing!

No one expects us to dominate City but that first half display was not worthy of being a Manutd manager.

This is a derby and we were so toothless, no aggression, so soft. They created chance after chance, it could have been 7-0 in the first half alone.

Managers in the relegation zone get sacked for those performances.

This is still a derby, and Manutd where the manager has spent £150m. We expect hell alot more than what we got yesterday.
 
You see I don't get this. You know that we spent a fortune with all managers, that we are currently still spending big due to those decisions, you know that young hungry british players are probably the most expensive commodity in football but you play the "not require further investment" angle. The problem isn't and has never been a lack of investment or will to invest.
Precisely. I don't get it. People are blaming the board of lack of investment yet criticizing it for putting a billion down the drain.. Mind boggling.

So the solution is to let them sack him and then let them decide who to hire?

I can’t see what can possibly go wrong.
A much better solution than continue with an inept manager just for the sake of it.

The fact he lumped Leicester in there shows he’s completely unable to have a negative thought on the matter, he’s so firmly in Ole in that the mere idea of competing with the great Leicester squad that Rogers took over in February, miles behind United in 12th is ridiculous to him.

It’s absolutely pointless debating with him, at this stage the self proclaimed “Ole In brigade” are the same as climate change deniers, it doesn’t matter how much hard evidence you throw their way.
The only difference in Leicester rise was changing managers, yet now you see the angle of them being well ran club as reason of their short term success currently :wenger:
 
If you don't want to sack Ole because we don't have good enough players so there's not much he can do then that's just stupid. There's evidence that a good manager can actually coach a team with worse players than us to actually play good football that's not counter attack.

If you don't want Ole to be sacked because we're 5th on the table and we're actually doing alright considering the quality of the squad. Then know this, not many people are expecting top 4 especially without reinforcement this January but the one thing we expect is that after a year in charge of this team, a competent manager is meant to have coached the team to be capable of playing good football that's not counter attack. If you don't think the players are good enough for this, look at the first paragraph.

If you don't want Ole to be sacked because of his long term vision and believe he is building a squad. Then I have no words for you. I just wonder why you would think a man with a CV worse than Moyes or LVG or Mourinho is competent enough to rebuild. Maybe beacause he understands the club, culture and has the club's best interest at heart. Let's get Neville then or Ji Sung Park. Look how bad Klopp is doing at Liverpool because he doesn't know their culture.

If you don't want Ole to be sacked because getting a new manager under this board won't change anything and we would still be where we are then at least it will change the fecking style of play and tactics. Pochettino, Nagelsmann, Rose, etc they all may not be able to get us top 4 with these players and the board or get us to be able to beat City with Jones and Lingard but they would at least get us to start playing better rather than just relying on basic counter attack tactic or moment of brilliance from Rashford. LVG, Mourinho and Moyes were criticised for the way they had us playing so why does Ole get a free pass? Because the players are not good enough? Again go back to the first paragraph

It's the way he has us fecking playing and it always has been the reason I wanted him out. I agree the players are not good enough for top 4, the board is shit and it's hard for managers to get us back to glory under them, I agree that Ole does care about the club and has a plan and a vision that takes time to be carried out. But he has been here for over a year now enough time to drill a style of play and tactic into the team and what has Ole done with that. He has transformed us into a side that is only good at the basic counter attacking tactic. If you expect better tactics from a manager that got Cardiff relegated and coached in Molde for most of his time then I don't know what to say to you.

So blame it on the players that are not good enough for top 4, blame it on the board that got us in this mess, but don't fecking leave the manager out because he has us looking clueless in anything other than counter attacking. Meanwhile his peers like Bielsa, Rose, Potter are able to coach their teams that have worse players to play better football than us
 
You are bigger clown because it was Ole himself who kept these players. He also got rid of Fellaini and Smalling and accepting that what he has is good enough. These players are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are all International players. Get them a decent manager and they will play a lot better. Even a blind ,man can see that City did not have an CFs. Yet Ole could not see that and push one of our CBs into that space. Jones and Lindelof did not have anyone to even mark and floundered because the manager did not change the tactics. You give this team to Pep and he may not win anything but for sure he will get us to play a lot better football.

Some of them have had 4 managers and have been shit for each one .unless you have been asleep you would be aware we have tried to get rid of some of them players for years but they earn crazy money which No1 else would pay plus if One had got rid of all of them out squad would be even worse
You are bigger clown because it was Ole himself who kept these players. He also got rid of Fellaini and Smalling and accepting that what he has is good enough. These players are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are all International players. Get them a decent manager and they will play a lot better. Even a blind ,man can see that City did not have an CFs. Yet Ole could not see that and push one of our CBs into that space. Jones and Lindelof did not have anyone to even mark and floundered because the manager did not change the tactics. You give this team to Pep and he may not win anything but for sure he will get us to play a lot better football.


You give this team to Pep and he would have looked at it and asked for 2 full backs a CB 2 midfielders a winger and a striker .

Accept we are shit accept the board are shafting us and have been for a decade . No manager in the world could make Jones Matic Mata Lingard Pereira better players because each and every one are either finished or just are not good enough
 
Note sure how this one got promoted.

Tell me any manager who would make these players better :lol: I think we've a forgotten those numerous CLs won by Ole who is clearly the very best in the business.


Do you remember the CL,s Jose won ? Do you remember all of them being total shit for him as well ? Go back to bed kid
 
Some of them have had 4 managers and have been shit for each one .unless you have been asleep you would be aware we have tried to get rid of some of them players for years but they earn crazy money which No1 else would pay plus if One had got rid of all of them out squad would be even worse



You give this team to Pep and he would have looked at it and asked for 2 full backs a CB 2 midfielders a winger and a striker .

Accept we are shit accept the board are shafting us and have been for a decade . No manager in the world could make Jones Matic Mata Lingard Pereira better players because each and every one are either finished or just are not good enough

Yet you are backing the one that gave those new contracts.
 
under whose watch Mata and Jones were given contracts?


Yep under Ole but I personally think they where giving new deals because they weren't going to be replaced and we need a squad . Smalling wanted to leave but we couldn't get anyone mental enough to take Jones or Rojo so Smalling went .
 
Ole In

I'm not an expert, but I've been watching and playing football since the early 90's. I've read countless articles and books, including the book of my biggest idol, Fergie. Based on this, I'm not at all convinced that the manager is the problem. I genuinely believe that both Klopp and Pep would struggle to make top 4 with this squad. Especially with Pogba out for practically the whole season so far.

Even successful coaches like Fergie and Pep will admit that good results primarily depend on the squad at your disposal. How many PL titles did Fergie win where he didn't have the best or second best squad on paper? I'd argue zero. Leicester is practically the only exception in the PL era.

On paper, where does this squad(minus Pogba) rank? 5th? 6th? Well that's where we are right now. And we are still in all the cups. I will agree that we have dropped an unnecessary amount of points, but I think most of these can be blamed on individual defensive errors and poor finishing, rather than wrong tactics or bad man-management.

I think the main reason for why people want Ole out is because he's largely unproven. Every small setback becomes fuel to the fire for the Ole Out Brigade. Had Klopp been in charge and gotten the same poor results, then people would be significantly more patient. I can sort of understand this perspective, but there is one problem: if a proven manager probably would struggle just as much as Ole, then why does his current struggles somehow prove that he is not up to the task? Just as we can't prove that Ole is right for the job, you can't prove that he's not.

Before kicking out a club legend, ask yourself these questions:

1. Where does this squad rank without Pogba?
2. Let's say you answer "5th" to the question above: how many spots on the table should a top manager manage to climb?
3. How much blame can you put on Solskjær for us not signing any midfielders last summer?
4. How much is Solskjær to blame for the injuries on important players(Pogba, Martial, McTominay, Maguire, AWB)?
5. How much is Solskjær to blame for individual player mistakes and poor finishing costing us valuable points?

In summary
- Have his transfers been poor? No, they've been very good actually.
- Is our position on the table significantly worse than expected? No, we're right about where we belong.
- Do the players seem to dislike him? No, the opposite actually.

Because of this, I simply can't justify being "Ole Out" at this stage. And until at least one of the three statements above is true, I will remain Ole In. At least for another year or so.
 
- Have his transfers been poor? No, they've been very good actually.
- Is our position on the table was significantly worse than expected? No, we're right about where we belong.
- Do the players seem to dislike him? No, the opposite actually.

Because of this, I simply can't justify being "Ole Out" at this stage. And until at least one of the three statements above is true, I will remain Ole In. At least for another year or so.
We have 8 wins in 21 games. His win percentage is 27% as a permanent manager. He spent £80m on a modest upgrade at CB. But yay, the players seem to like him, he's a nice guy, so all is well!

How the feck you people can try spin this shit as a positive is beyond me.