The “Ole In” Brigade

You do remember Jose did a miles better job here than Ole right?


Did he ? 1st season aside we where shit under Jose . I remember going to OT watching a group of players not wanting to play and I remember when Jose left watching the best football since Ferguson times ..

I'm not saying Ole has got what it takes but what I am saying is we could have Pep and not even he could have that side playing well regularly.

We need a huge turn around of playing staff at the club and hopefully we do more of that in this January window
 
The state of the squad is the responsability of LVG and Mourinho that each spend about 400 mil with the vast majority of the buys being duds. The true culprit is Woody/Glazers for not having someone that oversaw the direction of the club/player acquisitions and allowed the same power that SAF had to managers that are not good enough to do the same job.

We are actually moving in the right direction now but it's a time for support not new resets. Today we beat City in the league where we were unlucky not to be 4-0 up at half time, tomorrow while playing some reserves we lose and are lucky not to be 4-5 down after first half. Transitions are painful but they are worth it if you stick with it.
 
We have 8 wins in 21 games. His win percentage is 27% as a permanent manager. He spent £80m on a modest upgrade at CB.

How the feck you people can try spin this shit as a positive is beyond me.

Objectively, none of his signings have been very good. We can rank them from below par for Maguire to on par for AWB and James.
 
We have 8 wins in 21 games. His win percentage is 27% as a permanent manager. He spent £80m on a modest upgrade at CB.

How the feck you people can try spin this shit as a positive is beyond me.

Table placement > points. Our level compared to our opponents is what matters the most. Getting 90 points and finishing 2nd is worse than getting 80 points and finishing 1st.
 
Yet you are backing the one that gave those new contracts.


I'm backing No1 . I'm saying we need to stop blaming the manager for everything at this club .

The board and owners are shocking and they are the ones that should be getting the supporters fury.

I named a bunch of players we have 9/10 players who have somehow found themselves to be United players and until we rid ourselves of them and get in new players we will continue to be shit .

If Ole had got another 5 last summer I'd be agreeing saying ok sack him but he hasn't and like Jose he was left short from what he wanted and needed .
 
Do you remember the CL,s Jose won ? Do you remember all of them being total shit for him as well ? Go back to bed kid
So totally shit he managed to finish 2nd and win the Europa League. Mourinho actually didn't do a good enough job at United and I never warmed to him either. But at least he was a great manager once upon a time. Ole has never been that and looks incapable of ever being one.

Love the irony of posting like a 5 year old scrambled 5 illogical thoughts together, and calling others 'kid'.
 
Yep under Ole but I personally think they where giving new deals because they weren't going to be replaced and we need a squad . Smalling wanted to leave but we couldn't get anyone mental enough to take Jones or Rojo so Smalling went .

If Ole told him that he'll get a fair crack of the whip in terms of first team football then Smalling would have probably stayed. Regarding Mata and Jones you can't really say that Ole got rid of the deadwood when he kept the two biggest deadwood at the club
 
I'm backing No1 . I'm saying we need to stop blaming the manager for everything at this club .

The board and owners are shocking and they are the ones that should be getting the supporters fury.

I named a bunch of players we have 9/10 players who have somehow found themselves to be United players and until we rid ourselves of them and get in new players we will continue to be shit .

If Ole had got another 5 last summer I'd be agreeing saying ok sack him but he hasn't and like Jose he was left short from what he wanted and needed .
We are not blaming the manager for everything at the club. We are blaming him for poor record, poor football, poor results and so forth.

You need 5 last summers to determine a shite manager?

I'm guessing Moyes should have been given 6 years then?
 
So totally shit he managed to finish 2nd and win the Europa League. Mourinho actually didn't do a good enough job at United and I never warmed to him either. But at least he was a great manager once upon a time. Ole has never been that and looks incapable of ever being one.

Love the irony of posting like a 5 year old scrambled 5 illogical thoughts together, and calling others 'kid'.

Ha ha.

Mourinho wasn’t good enough in the end for Manchester United, that much 99% agree with. Yet some of that 99% want Ole to stay for years despite being miles worse than Mourinho.

I don’t get it, it throws every single bit of logic out of the universe.
 
Table placement > points. Our level compared to our opponents is what matters the most. Getting 90 points and finishing 2nd is worse than getting 80 points and finishing 1st.
We've 5 points off 4th, 13 points off 3rd, 14 points off second. We're as close to 10th as 4th and as close to 19th as 3rd.
 
I'm backing No1 . I'm saying we need to stop blaming the manager for everything at this club .

The board and owners are shocking and they are the ones that should be getting the supporters fury.

I named a bunch of players we have 9/10 players who have somehow found themselves to be United players and until we rid ourselves of them and get in new players we will continue to be shit .

If Ole had got another 5 last summer I'd be agreeing saying ok sack him but he hasn't and like Jose he was left short from what he wanted and needed .

Mourinho spent around 400m and increased our wage bill by more than 100m. If that's being left short from what he wanted and needed then something was properly wrong with him.
 
I'm really surprised people continue to forget our current status in the league. Where would you place us now under any manager? Above Chelsea? Leicester? Going toe to toe with the likes of City and Liverpool?

People have short memories. You fully expect City to come and beat us and then want to sack the manager when he doesn't dominate them, it's amazing!

Nonsense. Our current status (I'm assuming you mean position?) in the league is a function of the manager's performance not an impediment to it. The notion that you can only do well if you have top quality players is fatuous; top coaches do more with less, they organise the team, they coach and make ordinary players perform better than they would under an mediocre manager, there is a consistent upward if gradual trajectory to performances as more and more training sessions are taken. Losses are fine, they can happen but the performances, the plans, the ideas is something where a top echelon coach distinguishes himself and nowhere in his managerial career has Solskjaer shown that he is one of those.
 
Objectively, none of his signings have been very good. We can rank them from below par for Maguire to on par for AWB and James.


Without Maguire we would be way worse . Our midfi
We are not blaming the manager for everything at the club. We are blaming him for poor record, poor football, poor results and so forth.

You need 5 last summers to determine a shite manager?

I'm guessing Moyes should have been given 6 years then?


5 more players last summer
 
under whose watch Mata and Jones were given contracts?

To be fair, Jones was given a new contract while Ole will still interim manager, so I doubt he had any influence on that.

Mata I'm guessing was a case of the club realising they weren't going to get the midfield targets they wanted and keeping him around to make up the numbers.
 
Ha ha.

Mourinho wasn’t good enough in the end for Manchester United, that much 99% agree with. Yet some of that 99% want Ole to stay for years despite being miles worse than Mourinho.

I don’t get it, it throws every single bit of logic out of the universe.

Its baffling. I loved Ole as a player, but its obvious to see that this job is too big for him, and he doesn't have a previous record to lean on that says he can ever turn this around.
 
Without Maguire we would be way worse . Our midfi



5 more players last summer

So we needed to sign 8 players last summer to be able to play good enough? How much would that have costed with the current prices, 600m?
 
We've 5 points off 4th, 13 points off 3rd, 14 points off second. We're as close to 10th as 4th and as close to 19th as 3rd.

This just proves that 3 teams are way ahead of the rest of the league.

Even without injuries, I wouldn't expect us be top 3 anyways.
 
Ole In

I'm not an expert, but I've been watching and playing football since the early 90's. I've read countless articles and books, including the book of my biggest idol, Fergie. Based on this, I'm not at all convinced that the manager is the problem. I genuinely believe that both Klopp and Pep would struggle to make top 4 with this squad. Especially with Pogba out for practically the whole season so far.

Even successful coaches like Fergie and Pep will admit that good results primarily depend on the squad at your disposal. How many PL titles did Fergie win where he didn't have the best or second best squad on paper? I'd argue zero. Leicester is practically the only exception in the PL era.

On paper, where does this squad(minus Pogba) rank? 5th? 6th? Well that's where we are right now. And we are still in all the cups. I will agree that we have dropped an unnecessary amount of points, but I think most of these can be blamed on individual defensive errors and poor finishing, rather than wrong tactics or bad man-management.

I think the main reason for why people want Ole out is because he's largely unproven. Every small setback becomes fuel to the fire for the Ole Out Brigade. Had Klopp been in charge and gotten the same poor results, then people would be significantly more patient. I can sort of understand this perspective, but there is one problem: if a proven manager probably would struggle just as much as Ole, then why does his current struggles somehow prove that he is not up to the task? Just as we can't prove that Ole is right for the job, you can't prove that he's not.

Before kicking out a club legend, ask yourself these questions:

1. Where does this squad rank without Pogba?
2. Let's say you answer "5th" to the question above: how many spots on the table should a top manager manage to climb?
3. How much blame can you put on Solskjær for us not signing any midfielders last summer?
4. How much is Solskjær to blame for the injuries on important players(Pogba, Martial, McTominay, Maguire, AWB)?
5. How much is Solskjær to blame for individual player mistakes and poor finishing costing us valuable points?

In summary
- Have his transfers been poor? No, they've been very good actually.
- Is our position on the table significantly worse than expected? No, we're right about where we belong.
- Do the players seem to dislike him? No, the opposite actually.

Because of this, I simply can't justify being "Ole Out" at this stage. And until at least one of the three statements above is true, I will remain Ole In. At least for another year or so.
Its mind boggling, the extent of logical gymnastic some do to support their views.

We have a roster space for a 25 man squad like every other PL team, and, injured or not, Pogba is a part of that squad. So the idea of ranking the squad without Pogba is just silly. Injuries are part of the game, and no manager gets excused for it. If the loss of a single player cripples your team, then its the manager's fault for putting all his eggs in one basket.

Besides Liverpool, and City, we have a squad that is equal or better than the rest. The likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs cant be said to have a clearly better squad, while we have a better squad than Leicester imo.

If those teams are doing better than us, then the difference would be in the coaching. Ole has had enough time to put his ideas to work and what we see now, is most likely what we would see going forward. Yes, things can improve if he has better players, but he hasnt done well enough with what he has at the moment imo
 
Nonsense. Our current status (I'm assuming you mean position?) in the league is a function of the manager's performance not an impediment to it. The notion that you can only do well if you have top quality players is fatuous; top coaches do more with less, they organise the team, they coach and make ordinary players perform better than they would under an mediocre manager, there is a consistent upward if gradual trajectory to performances as more and more training sessions are taken. Losses are fine, they can happen but the performances, the plans, the ideas is something where a top echelon coach distinguishes himself and nowhere in his managerial career has Solskjaer shown that he is one of those.

Where should we finish in the league based on our squad? Pick you manager. Would we be above City? Liverpool?
 
Mourinho spent around 400m and increased our wage bill by more than 100m. If that's being left short from what he wanted and needed then something was properly wrong with him.


He also finished 2nd and needed backed massively that summer . This current squad needs a massive overhauling. How much do you realistically think it could cost ?
 
This just proves that 3 teams are way ahead of the rest of the league.

Even without injuries, I wouldn't expect us be top 3 anyways.
:lol: The mighty Leicester who finished 14 points off us last season are suddenly way ahead of us after we spent £80m on their CB. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
He also finished 2nd and needed backed massively that summer . This current squad needs a massive overhauling. How much do you realistically think it could cost ?

The team needs overhaul because he spent that money extremely badly. He didn't need backing, he needed to show why he earned 15m per year and maximize the heavy investments that he demanded in the past 24 months. Do you guys think that the club prints money or extracts oil?
 
Its not just about the results, the attitude of the squad is horrible as well, zero aggression, ambition and drive.
Ole was a gamble, we hired him not on his managerial abilities but because of his historical career at United. Him not being a good enough manager was always a possibility, we need to cut our losses and move on. I dont know why people have become emotionally attached to Ole, need to be objective and logical about this not sentimental.
 
1. Where does this squad rank without Pogba?
2. Let's say you answer "5th" to the question above: how many spots on the table should a top manager manage to climb?

1. Where did Leicester's squad rank last January? 12th?
2. Let's say you answered 2nd back in Jan, you'd have be off your tits right @OleBoiii?

United look like a 6th placed team right now, just as Leicester looked every bit a 10th placed team under Claude Puel.
 
An analogy to clarify the way I see our situation, using Formula One

Let's say we are currently in a Haas. There is no way, with our current car, that even the most spectacularly amazing driver could even come close to winning the F1 Championship. You could put Lewis Hamilton in the car and you might, might sneak an extra place or two up the leaderboard - but you're certainly not going to be competing with Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari for 'proper' points on a regular basis.

Not only that, but our team principle is an idiot with no knowledge of motor racing. Over the last few seasons, his attempts to get 'Haas' up to a competitive level has mainly focused around paying over the odds for discarded mechanical parts from other teams. Just imagine, for a second, the implications of giving somebody with no knowledge of engineering or motor racing a job as a team principle in motorsport.

Unsurprisingly, buying sub-standard parts from other teams hasn't worked and the team have struggled in mid-table. Guess who the 'principle' and the fans blame? The driver! OK, so maybe Sebastien Grosjean wasn't a great choice, doesn't have any experience of winning titles. So let's go for Alonso....hang on....that's not worked out either....OK, maybe Alonso is washed-up, a dinosaur who is past his best. Right. Let's go all out. Let's splash the cash on Lewis Hamilton! A proven winner, heading for the all-time record for wins in F1, in terms of both races and championships. This is going to be fantastic! It can't fail.....oh hang on....we're 6th again! What's even more strange is that Lewis doesn't seem very happy trundling around in midfield getting lapped by Verstappen and Leclerc. How very odd....better get rid of him as well, clearly has an attitude problem.

So....OK, this is were some posters get me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE TRIED GOOD MANAGERS SO WE SHOULDN'T BOTHER TRYING OTHER 'GOOD' MANAGERS. For the record. Sorry for shouting that bit. My point is that it doesn't matter who's sat 'at the wheel', this shower of sh**e "car" we have assembled isn't winning anything!

So, again that begs the question....why Ole then? Why not get the very, very best manager out there? Well, simply put, just like our 'Lewis Hamilton', the very best managers want to win trophies NOW. They don't want to spend five years nurturing Greenwood, Williams, AWB, Rashford, Martial, McTominay etc....until they are of an age where they can compete with the Ferrari's of this world. They want success, they want it now and they will be very short-term in their thinking. Now. to a certain extent, I understand that that is the way Manchester Utd could/arguably should be thinking - however, understand the reality of the situation....we are a for-profit business ran for Directors and shareholders. It does not matter how much whining the bloke in the dugout does. This will not change. We will not be spending £500m next summer, on top of all of the money that has already gone down the pan.

We're currently in a very, very big hole. We can keep digging, or we can stop digging and try something different. Do I think Ole is a good manager? Tactically, probably not. In terms of bringing the players together and encouraging them, despite their limitations? Maybe. I always knew that it was going to take a minimum of 2/3 seasons to get the mercenaries and the overpaid dross out of our club and new, hungry, quality players through the door. In my opinion, and I understand some will disagree, better to let Ole manage the clearout in the interim and (hopefully) develop a few of our better younger players along the way. Then, if in a year or two's time, we're still dropping silly points on a regular basis, BUT we now have a more streamlined, quality, hungry, well-rounded squad, we THEN look at a manager to take us on to the next level. My concern is if we took on an Allegri or a Conte now, they would spend £250m on 26-30 year old players, we would have some very minor short term success (top four, maybe a cup) and then in sooner rather than later, we would be right back to where Jose left us. In a knackered old banger, limping along in midfield with a load of unhappy staff!

So feel free to criticise or disagree with me, but please understand I don't 'back' Ole because he scored a goal for us once or because he played for us (I vehemently opposed Ryan Giggs as any kind of short/long term manager) - I back Ole because it is MY OPINION that he is at least TRYING to do what's right by the club and not himself. No need for us all to fall out about it, I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.....i.e. maybe we should be looking for the 'next Klopp' or the 'next Pep' to come in and handle the transition.....but even then, massive patience would be required and I'm not sure we have it as a club or as a fanbase!
 
Its not just about the results, the attitude of the squad is horrible as well, zero aggression, ambition and drive.
Ole was a gamble, we hired him not on his managerial abilities but because of his historical career at United. Him not being a good enough manager was always a possibility, we need to cut our losses and move on. I dont know why people have become emotionally attached to Ole, need to be objective and logical about this not sentimental.

I'm 100% sure that the Ole in posters aren't going to say they are wrong whatever happens under him in charge. Even if he is sacked and Poch comes and and does wonders with the club, they will run on with "this is the fruition of Ole's work! He laid the foundations! Poch is just gathering what Ole has planted, La!". It's beyond hopeless at this case. LvG foundations all over again.
 
An analogy to clarify the way I see our situation, using Formula One

Let's say we are currently in a Haas. There is no way, with our current car, that even the most spectacularly amazing driver could even come close to winning the F1 Championship. You could put Lewis Hamilton in the car and you might, might sneak an extra place or two up the leaderboard - but you're certainly not going to be competing with Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari for 'proper' points on a regular basis.

Not only that, but our team principle is an idiot with no knowledge of motor racing. Over the last few seasons, his attempts to get 'Haas' up to a competitive level has mainly focused around paying over the odds for discarded mechanical parts from other teams. Just imagine, for a second, the implications of giving somebody with no knowledge of engineering or motor racing a job as a team principle in motorsport.

Unsurprisingly, buying sub-standard parts from other teams hasn't worked and the team have struggled in mid-table. Guess who the 'principle' and the fans blame? The driver! OK, so maybe Sebastien Grosjean wasn't a great choice, doesn't have any experience of winning titles. So let's go for Alonso....hang on....that's not worked out either....OK, maybe Alonso is washed-up, a dinosaur who is past his best. Right. Let's go all out. Let's splash the cash on Lewis Hamilton! A proven winner, heading for the all-time record for wins in F1, in terms of both races and championships. This is going to be fantastic! It can't fail.....oh hang on....we're 6th again! What's even more strange is that Lewis doesn't seem very happy trundling around in midfield getting lapped by Verstappen and Leclerc. How very odd....better get rid of him as well, clearly has an attitude problem.

So....OK, this is were some posters get me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE TRIED GOOD MANAGERS SO WE SHOULDN'T BOTHER TRYING OTHER 'GOOD' MANAGERS. For the record. Sorry for shouting that bit. My point is that it doesn't matter who's sat 'at the wheel', this shower of sh**e "car" we have assembled isn't winning anything!

So, again that begs the question....why Ole then? Why not get the very, very best manager out there? Well, simply put, just like our 'Lewis Hamilton', the very best managers want to win trophies NOW. They don't want to spend five years nurturing Greenwood, Williams, AWB, Rashford, Martial, McTominay etc....until they are of an age where they can compete with the Ferrari's of this world. They want success, they want it now and they will be very short-term in their thinking. Now. to a certain extent, I understand that that is the way Manchester Utd could/arguably should be thinking - however, understand the reality of the situation....we are a for-profit business ran for Directors and shareholders. It does not matter how much whining the bloke in the dugout does. This will not change. We will not be spending £500m next summer, on top of all of the money that has already gone down the pan.

We're currently in a very, very big hole. We can keep digging, or we can stop digging and try something different. Do I think Ole is a good manager? Tactically, probably not. In terms of bringing the players together and encouraging them, despite their limitations? Maybe. I always knew that it was going to take a minimum of 2/3 seasons to get the mercenaries and the overpaid dross out of our club and new, hungry, quality players through the door. In my opinion, and I understand some will disagree, better to let Ole manage the clearout in the interim and (hopefully) develop a few of our better younger players along the way. Then, if in a year or two's time, we're still dropping silly points on a regular basis, BUT we now have a more streamlined, quality, hungry, well-rounded squad, we THEN look at a manager to take us on to the next level. My concern is if we took on an Allegri or a Conte now, they would spend £250m on 26-30 year old players, we would have some very minor short term success (top four, maybe a cup) and then in sooner rather than later, we would be right back to where Jose left us. In a knackered old banger, limping along in midfield with a load of unhappy staff!

So feel free to criticise or disagree with me, but please understand I don't 'back' Ole because he scored a goal for us once or because he played for us (I vehemently opposed Ryan Giggs as any kind of short/long term manager) - I back Ole because it is MY OPINION that he is at least TRYING to do what's right by the club and not himself. No need for us all to fall out about it, I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.....i.e. maybe we should be looking for the 'next Klopp' or the 'next Pep' to come in and handle the transition.....but even then, massive patience would be required and I'm not sure we have it as a club or as a fanbase!

You had me until Formula One.

Unless you're talking about us going around in circles dead fast... in which case i'd be intrigued how you dragged that out over 8 paragraphs... I'm back in.
 
An analogy to clarify the way I see our situation, using Formula One

Let's say we are currently in a Haas. There is no way, with our current car, that even the most spectacularly amazing driver could even come close to winning the F1 Championship. You could put Lewis Hamilton in the car and you might, might sneak an extra place or two up the leaderboard - but you're certainly not going to be competing with Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari for 'proper' points on a regular basis.

Not only that, but our team principle is an idiot with no knowledge of motor racing. Over the last few seasons, his attempts to get 'Haas' up to a competitive level has mainly focused around paying over the odds for discarded mechanical parts from other teams. Just imagine, for a second, the implications of giving somebody with no knowledge of engineering or motor racing a job as a team principle in motorsport.

Unsurprisingly, buying sub-standard parts from other teams hasn't worked and the team have struggled in mid-table. Guess who the 'principle' and the fans blame? The driver! OK, so maybe Sebastien Grosjean wasn't a great choice, doesn't have any experience of winning titles. So let's go for Alonso....hang on....that's not worked out either....OK, maybe Alonso is washed-up, a dinosaur who is past his best. Right. Let's go all out. Let's splash the cash on Lewis Hamilton! A proven winner, heading for the all-time record for wins in F1, in terms of both races and championships. This is going to be fantastic! It can't fail.....oh hang on....we're 6th again! What's even more strange is that Lewis doesn't seem very happy trundling around in midfield getting lapped by Verstappen and Leclerc. How very odd....better get rid of him as well, clearly has an attitude problem.

So....OK, this is were some posters get me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE TRIED GOOD MANAGERS SO WE SHOULDN'T BOTHER TRYING OTHER 'GOOD' MANAGERS. For the record. Sorry for shouting that bit. My point is that it doesn't matter who's sat 'at the wheel', this shower of sh**e "car" we have assembled isn't winning anything!

So, again that begs the question....why Ole then? Why not get the very, very best manager out there? Well, simply put, just like our 'Lewis Hamilton', the very best managers want to win trophies NOW. They don't want to spend five years nurturing Greenwood, Williams, AWB, Rashford, Martial, McTominay etc....until they are of an age where they can compete with the Ferrari's of this world. They want success, they want it now and they will be very short-term in their thinking. Now. to a certain extent, I understand that that is the way Manchester Utd could/arguably should be thinking - however, understand the reality of the situation....we are a for-profit business ran for Directors and shareholders. It does not matter how much whining the bloke in the dugout does. This will not change. We will not be spending £500m next summer, on top of all of the money that has already gone down the pan.

We're currently in a very, very big hole. We can keep digging, or we can stop digging and try something different. Do I think Ole is a good manager? Tactically, probably not. In terms of bringing the players together and encouraging them, despite their limitations? Maybe. I always knew that it was going to take a minimum of 2/3 seasons to get the mercenaries and the overpaid dross out of our club and new, hungry, quality players through the door. In my opinion, and I understand some will disagree, better to let Ole manage the clearout in the interim and (hopefully) develop a few of our better younger players along the way. Then, if in a year or two's time, we're still dropping silly points on a regular basis, BUT we now have a more streamlined, quality, hungry, well-rounded squad, we THEN look at a manager to take us on to the next level. My concern is if we took on an Allegri or a Conte now, they would spend £250m on 26-30 year old players, we would have some very minor short term success (top four, maybe a cup) and then in sooner rather than later, we would be right back to where Jose left us. In a knackered old banger, limping along in midfield with a load of unhappy staff!

So feel free to criticise or disagree with me, but please understand I don't 'back' Ole because he scored a goal for us once or because he played for us (I vehemently opposed Ryan Giggs as any kind of short/long term manager) - I back Ole because it is MY OPINION that he is at least TRYING to do what's right by the club and not himself. No need for us all to fall out about it, I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.....i.e. maybe we should be looking for the 'next Klopp' or the 'next Pep' to come in and handle the transition.....but even then, massive patience would be required and I'm not sure we have it as a club or as a fanbase!

Ole, like every other manager is trying to do both what is right for himself and the club, don't kid yourself.

If it goes well for himself it goes well for the club. Currently he's losing the club a shit load of money.
 
Without Maguire we would be the same team but with Smalling and 80m.
Most probably.

After a bright start Maguire has descended to the mediocrity the rest of the team are in.

James hasn't scored since mid September and has 6 goals/assist since the last 16 games or 1350 mins(one goal/assist every 225 mins).

AWB form has gone downwards and his attacking output is as we expected - minimal at best.

All in all 150m pounds spend in the Summer has not improved us much currently/
 
I'm 100% sure that the Ole in posters aren't going to say they are wrong whatever happens under him in charge. Even if he is sacked and Poch comes and and does wonders with the club, they will run on with "this is the fruition of Ole's work! He laid the foundations! Poch is just gathering what Ole has planted, La!". It's beyond hopeless at this case. LvG foundations all over again.
I have the same opinion on some of the Ole out crowd :lol: When we lose he is a nothing manager, when we spank City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Leicester, etc it is a non event. Those guys would have sacked both SAF and Klopp after their first season or two.
 
Most probably.

After a bright start Maguire has descended to the mediocrity the rest of the team are in.

James hasn't scored since mid September and has 6 goals/assist since the last 16 games or 1350 mins(one goal/assist every 225 mins).

AWB form has gone downwards and his attacking output is as we expected - minimal at best.

All in all 150m pounds spend in the Summer has not improved us much currently/

James hasn't scored since August 31th. He has been on a run of 4 months and a week with no goal and counting. He's challenging Lingard for the record of not scoring apparently.
 
So we needed to sign 8 players last summer to be able to play good enough? How much would that have costed with the current prices, 600m?


Haven't a clue what it would cost but we have a squad with Shaw Jones Lingard Mata Matic Pereira Bailly Young and probably more who all need to be replaced .