Do the new generation of ships not have anti missile systems and radar jamming devices? The Sunburns are just devastating yes but no where near top of the tech, they aren't a stealth missile as far as I am aware.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
No doubt about it. It will probably come by way of Hezbollah in some random country or by Quds Force operatives in the region.
Not everything needs to be cutting edge. Throw enough of pretty much any missile at a target and some will likely get through.
Depends how accurate said missile is and if that missile can be intercepted. Take a look on YouTube at anti missile systems they are literally unbelievable, google Aegis Ballistic Missile System. This is what people are taking about when they mention the tech gap compared to the Gulf war, not to mention that the latest generation of ships are stealth meaning most radars wont even see them, you cant hit what you cant see. Even talk that the F-35 can track and hunt ballistic missiles.
Aegis is 80s technology
Doubt that F-35 can do that. It is a primarily air to ground fighter, and not long ago was getting humiliated from Eurofighter Typhoons (though since then it is doing better). Heck, in dogfight war games there were occurrences that it was getting killed from ancient F16.
It is still likely the second best aircraft in the world (and the best for its primary mission) but hunting ballistic mussels looks a bit too much.
Testing in 95 Last updated in 2005, and on most US Navy ships now, I think that's more recent could be wrong.
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https://defensemaven.io/warriormave...ssile-defense-missions-6O6k1mDE2kOfr81Ys0Rs6g
They have said its possible and I believe its been tested. Sure there were stories initially that they couldn't get it to take off as it wouldn't recognise the pilot
.Out of interest what would you have above it? I certainly have one I favour more A-10 for example even if it is ancient, or if you have to destroy absolutely everything the Ghostrider.
Different thing, but F22. Of course, unlike F35 it is designed for air to air missions, and from all accounts it is unbeatable in the air. It also costs so much that they had to order far less than they wanted.https://defensemaven.io/warriormave...ssile-defense-missions-6O6k1mDE2kOfr81Ys0Rs6g
They have said its possible and I believe its been tested. Sure there were stories initially that they couldn't get it to take off as it wouldn't recognise the pilot
Out of interest what would you have above it? I certainly have one I favour more A-10 for example even if it is ancient, or if you have to destroy absolutely everything the Ghostrider.
Yeah astronomic, I just find it amazing what these things can do and applaud the engineers for doing it.
It's also a hell to maintain with special painting and facilities at their home bases, to maintain that precious radar absorbing coating.
So in war time is not very clear how this would transfer to some other base around the world.
That being said, its apparently so good, that they don't export it even to closest allies.
In research and engineering, money is everything. F35 total program is expected to cost 1.5 trillion dollars.
Indeed. They are selling F35 to everyone but not even UK or Israel can get an F22.
"The bigger the lie, the more they believe".
Bunk Morland, The Wire.
Pentagon saying Iran/Ukraine flight was shot down.
https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313
https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313
Do we reckon this was just a random attack by the military, a rogue actor or a calculated target which had POIs onboard fleeing the country?
F35 is good for specific mission. Conventional war? Doubt it'll be cost effective.
In conventional war iran wont realistically compete with US airforce they'll bunker down hard. And when you're free bombing the ground all plane does the job.
It's not like the iran air force fighter are gonna dogfight the us airforce
I would think a tragic accident due to the mayhem going on between the US and Iran at the same time. Really no idea whether it was confused with a US bomber or maybe one of the missiles that were fired at the US airbase hit the plane instead.
Really no idea though I’m sure more will come out in the next few hours.
They would be silly to enter a dogfight, but they don't need to. F 35s would probably be assigned to take out SAM sites and what not, clear the area for B 52s to come in and do their thing.
Just looking at the nature and spread of the debris (at least that shown in the TV pictures) would tend to perhaps indicate an explosion, rather just mechanical failure or just fire.
If it is an explosion, then that could be the fuel going up, after all the plane must have had nearly a full load it was only six minutes out, or a bomb on board, or hit by a missile that took out the fuel as well?
The Iranians appear not to want to let go of the 'black box', if they don't this will bring in a new level of suspicion.
Incidentally, won't the Iranians have more to fear from Israel, if they go ahead with their nuclear weapons programme? I can't see Israel sitting still for that outcome, no matter what the US or Europe or anyone else says. A pre-emptive strike will have to be their one and only response, because they cannot take the risk, for once Iran has such a weapon Israel knows its first on the list.
Quite problematic for the Iranians, considering the incredible injustice (rightly) felt about USS Vincennes. No wonder they don't want anyone to know about the causes of the crash.
A tragic feck up of epic proportions.
So if it was shot down by mistake, what that suggests is they got the wrong target.
Insane to be flying any commercial flights from/to or over Iran on that night.
If it was shot down the chances of one the the ballistic missiles hitting it are slim to none as the tend to shot straight up and the plane had just taken off. If it was shot down it would have been dibelatry targeted obviously not knowing it was a commercial air craft which again is pretty fecking stupid.
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It's incredible that the allies are seemingly forgiving this mistake. If Iran didn't attack those bases and show some threat then I don't think anything like this would be forgiven.
The wreckage showed multiple holes , similar to shrapnel impacts. Also, the Iranians claimed it was a technical malfunction, just minutes after the crash, without even emergency declarations from the pilots. Just very suspicious.
I'm not quite finding it credible that Iranian air defence accidentally shoots down a commercial flight.
Incredible timing for mechanical failure though right?
I was thinking more they did it on purpose.
Difficult to trust anything anyone says. If Iran did shoot it down it must have been a major blunder.
What possible reason could there be for that? If there were people on board that the Iranians wanted dead, it'd be smarter to detain them and then punish them rather than shooting them out of the air.
Iran showed exactly what they are capable of and Trump/America’s reaction was to de-escalate ASAP on the agreement that this would be deemed an accident so it’s not viewed as a direct consequence of the rash decision to assassinate Suleima.
I'd honestly be stunned if it was anything but an accidental shooting down by Iran. There's even a video circulating that seems to show the impact of the STA missiles with something that could have been the aircraft.
If anyone doubts governments go to great lengths to take all sorts of weird actions to make you question what really brought down a commercial airliner... Look up TWA 800. I thought I knew plenty to believe that there was no way we ourselves shot it down like so many witnesses, experts, officials etc seemed to claim...I even got to see the wreckage in person (the NTSB still has it in a hangar in VA).
But.. I watched a doc that I believe is on Netflix and suddenly you think that there is almost no way we did NOT shoot it down ourselves. It will make your head spin. The evidence that is presented and all the weird circumstances surrounding the crash and especially investigation make for a compelling case it was indeed shot down.
But.. I watched a doc that I believe is on Netflix and suddenly you think that there is almost no way we did NOT shoot it down ourselves. It will make your head spin. The evidence that is presented and all the weird circumstances surrounding the crash and especially investigation make for a compelling case it was indeed shot down.
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It is the same with the PanAm. No way do I believe that the Libyans are responsible for that. The baggage transfer in Heathrow was more suspicious that the one in Malta.
There's no benefit to Iran shooting down the jet. The fact that they purposefully attacked US bases and purposefully refrained from causing casualties, is a sure sign they didnt intend to escalate this.
I would hazard a guess that somebody fecked up but Iran wont admit it because they tried their hardest to not escalate the issue and they're concerned this may send UN countries troppo.
I would hazard a guess that somebody fecked up but Iran wont admit it because they tried their hardest to not escalate the issue and they're concerned this may send UN countries troppo.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51055219
Still a load of shite?
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I have to admit I was wondering that too.
I don't think they re worried at all. Trump didn't even bother to bring up the crash in his "let's all be friends speech and sing kumbaya because we care about human life speech"