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How would you go about that?
The fans as should get organised with Protests, boycotting our merchandise and sponsors, mass walk outs etc. What I surely won't do is believing their lies. But hey its a free world so do what you want
 

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We are already making excuses just in case we miss out on yet another signing. But thank god the money is there to support the manager but only if the price is right. Meanwhile the manager of a supposed top team will probably continue the season without a cm
So you think we should pay 80 mil for Bruno? I don't like the owners any more than you do but then not agreeing on that price is right.
 

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if we overpay we lose, if we don't sign a midfielder we lose too ... either way, Woodward will come out of this as the loser in the eyes of many people. Don't get me wrong, I hate the man as much as most other fans do - but he simply can't win this one.
If Ed and Judge were any good at their job they'd now be saying to Sporting the top figure they're willing to pay, give them 2 days to think about it and if Sporting don't think it's enough then we go on to the next target. The problem with these 2 clowns is they don't know when to pull out of negotiations and I'm sure they don't have a plan B for another player.

Every season is the same. Remember the Cesc fiasco? All summer the club were in negotiations with Barca and once again we didn't have a plan B when that deal fell through except for signing Fellaini on deadline day for more money than what we could of got him for a few weeks earlier. Absolute joke of a club in so many departments.


Glad someone else can see this & is mature enough to not overthink and conjure up of some elaborate hoax of what the club *might* be doing, when in fact it’s far simpler and easier to understand than that
Nothing to do with maturity. Our club is completely useless in transfer dealings. I'm not saying there's any conspiracies but if it's true that Sporting want more money and the club aren't willing to pay it then just pull out of the deal which would give the club more time to look at other targets instead of waiting until deadline day and either paying what they wanted anyway or not signing anyone. Incompetence at the highest level.


I'm all for going big for players if its justified, but it isn't for Bruno. They're asking way more than his value, we shouldn't give in.
Aren't we doing exactly the same thing with Pogba. Do you think he was worth 150m in the summer? And Bruno is worth far more to Sporting than Pogba is to us.
I agree we shouldn't give in but the club just doesn't know when to walk away from these sort of deals.
 

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It sets a bad precedent. Every club we try to buy from will try and fleece us if they know we’ll reluctantly stump up the cash. Hell, this is the reason Sporting are trying it. Long term it causes more problems.
The really bad precedent is a consistent pattern of prolonged negotiations, failure to sign players to fill obvious vacancies and a sackful of players with such inflated wages that we can't move them on. The buck stops with Woodward.
 

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Nothing to do with maturity. Our club is completely useless in transfer dealings. I'm not saying there's any conspiracies but if it's true that Sporting want more money and the club aren't willing to pay it then just pull out of the deal which would give the club more time to look at other targets instead of waiting until deadline day and either paying what they wanted anyway or not signing anyone. Incompetence at the highest level..
Who’s to say we aren’t looking at Plan B’s as we speak?
 

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Only thing that has confirmed in the last few weeks is all sources are crap. Nobody has any idea what are the terms and clauses that are being negotiated.
so a standard transfer window then?

I used to be a muppet and believe anything and everything people tweeted and whatnot about players now I just ignore it all up until the point I see them in our shirt or with our Manager.
 

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so a standard transfer window then?

I used to be a muppet and believe anything and everything people tweeted and whatnot about players now I just ignore it all up until the point I see them in our shirt or with our Manager.
I envy you, I’m still a muppet and I must admit it’s hard being one.
 

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Me too. Money in the bank is more important.
It's not about money in the bank. It's setting a precedent that we aren't going to be fleeced in the market anymore.
 

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feck off sporting. Raising the price again.

No wonder negotiations can't be completed. The price keeps creeping up.
 

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£43 million + £17 million in bizarre bonuses is a disgrace of an offer, where has Judge and Woodward pulled that valuation from? Some shitty excel formula? They're nowhere near qualified enough to put an accurate price on a football player. £55 million straight up would have made a lot more sense.
Hahahahaha. Thank goodness we have someone qualified to put an accurate price on Fernandes on here.
 

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I’m pretty sure it’s the exorbitant wages that have been fecking us up financially, not transfer fees, which - as one of the 3 most profitable clubs in the world - we should be easily able to pay.
 

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It's not about money in the bank. It's setting a precedent that we aren't going to be fleeced in the market anymore.
Absolutely, allowing a club to just randomly add a significant amount to their asking price is ridiculous.

All it does is tell every other club (Dortmund, Leicester for Sanchez, Maddison - hypothetically) that not only can they add the Man Utd tax but also randomly push it up even further on a whim.

Previously I’d said we’d need to accept overpaying to get players we want, but if as has been reported previously Bruno is 3rd on the list for that position then they should tell them to feck off and concentrate on 2nd and 1st on the list.
 

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I’m pretty sure it’s the exorbitant wages that have been fecking us up financially, not transfer fees, which - as one of the 3 most profitable clubs in the world - we should be easily able to pay.
They both are tbh. Stupid wages attract mercenary players and stupid fees mean we overpay, bring a target in with a huge money burden to live up to on his head and the chance for the media to slam us for paying x many hundreds and not showing much for it.

Just look at Fred. Not his fault he was 50m in transfer fees but these dickhead commentators love bringing it up and twisting the knife in.
 

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The exact reason why we’d want him is because he’s creative. If you are hoping he’s going to be a dominant Kante type player you are going to be let down. I agree we need a DM but we also need someone who to play in that Mata/Lingard role that’s a step up, hopefully he can be that.
I know he's nothing like Kante but we need a playmaker.

We need to move away from these counter attacking types of players. If we truly want to play on the front foot we need people who are aimed at recycling the ball and dominating the pace of the game.

He is not what we need for that price. We offered a decent fee and they rejected it. Maddison and Havertz the club should pay big money for, not this guy. They would be better deals even at higher prices. Younger and a higher sell on fee.

Football is not just about stats and we need a new style to truly become a world class, well oiled machine again.
 

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£43 million + £17 million in bizarre bonuses is a disgrace of an offer, where has Judge and Woodward pulled that valuation from? Some shitty excel formula? They're nowhere near qualified enough to put an accurate price on a football player. £55 million straight up would have made a lot more sense.
:lol:

So what are your qualifications then?
 

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It’s easy to hold our ground when we go into negotiations knowing we can walk away if we’re not getting a fair deal.

Problem is we really can’t afford to walk away and lose the player. So I just hope we get the fecking player.
 

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I think a lot of the problem with this deal is judging from what I’ve read sporting are only going to come out with about half the fee.
 

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£43 million + £17 million in bizarre bonuses is a disgrace of an offer, where has Judge and Woodward pulled that valuation from? Some shitty excel formula? They're nowhere near qualified enough to put an accurate price on a football player. £55 million straight up would have made a lot more sense.
I'll bite. What i your reasoning for £55 million. As opposed to £50, or even £52 million?
 

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Tbh, watching him for 10/15 mins today at Watford, I really liked what I saw of Gedson Fernandes. For a loan deal, we may find that we have potentially missed a trick by not following up on that one.
The absolute damage him and Fosu Mensah could’ve done in central midfield for us. :(
 

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Sadly we can't bank roll what city do. Only PSG can match that. They have replaced near enough the whole back 5 twice over under Pep and it still isn't right. That's not mentioning the other big money signings.
In terms of transfer money, we're not penny pinching in the last 5 years.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

City, -601.78m
United, -435.38m

Not to mention our wages, which is among the top 3-5 of the world.

I know which club i'd rather United be.
 
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Get the cheque book open and get the deal done. 70-80m whatever it is better spent on transfer dealings than in the Glazers pockets. Dirty parasitises
 

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Hahahahaha. Thank goodness we have someone qualified to put an accurate price on Fernandes on here.
:lol:

So what are your qualifications then?
I didn't mean that to sound like I was, anyone with a football brain knows how shit of an offer that is, so what's the point in offering it unless it was considered a fair one by Matt Judge? All that's done is raise the price even more so great work there.
 

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I'll bite. What i your reasoning for £55 million. As opposed to £50, or even £52 million?
Just a gut valuation relative to how much players in his bracket are going for at the moment, transfermarkt agrees with me at least.
 
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