Can't disagree there. Sometimes you have to take a few bad results and ensure the team stays fresh.. very short-term way of managing the side.
Rashford | Back in training (22nd May 2020)
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some here didn't take too well to my previous comments that United are basically the English version of AC Milan. Surely even some deluded followers can now see how poorly run United are and another new manager won't change the deep rooted problems at the club.
It happened against Wolves. You think the club would play him, an asset that huge, with broken bones in his back? He injured, we need cover, lets hope someone can step up.
You taking a break then.
It definitely did not as there were articles out about his back issues leading up to the wolves games.
Link: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/give-overburdened-marcus-rashford-a-break-ddb73zqvk
He needed a rest anyway, the club are idiots if they think things like this weren't going to happen at some point, so let's see how we react now, but if it's the same as the Pogba reaction, then we're done.
The problem here is that you are mixing sharing a responsibility and the notion of blame. I didn't blame Pogba, I said that he was also responsible because he is responsible of his own body and health, he can following the advice of a doctor refuse to play until his healthy, players wanting to play through injuries when they don't know what it means are responsible for the consequences alongside the medical staff and the manager. It's not a difficult concept to understand as long as you don't overreact when you read the word "responsible".
It didn't happen against Wolves, Ole is lying as usual to cover the club.
People have been noticing he's been wooden for weeks. Against city at home he was holding his back from the 2nd minute and not running at all. He was clearly injured in that match.
He was showing signs of it before that too, even against Norwich at home he kept holding his lower left back.
Rashford isn't a wimp and he's clearly been trying to play through the pain for the good of the club, maybe he never told them just how bad it felt and was masking it - we don't know how much the club knew at that point.
Now he's had a scan and they've found this issue we have no choice but to let it heal. You cannot continue with a back fracture! it'll mess him up for life otherwise.
People keep that talking about ‘overplaying’ is a stupid argument, look at how many games Wolves and Liverpool have played this season, Mane has barley had a rest having played at ACN. Look at all of Newcastle’s and Bournemouth’s injuries, are they down to overplaying?
Rashford’s injury was a impact injury, nothing to do with overplaying, same with MCT. People saying that he was being forced to play with a injury are running with journalist speculation.
Rashford’s injury was a impact injury, nothing to do with overplaying, same with MCT. People saying that he was being forced to play with a injury are running with journalist speculation.
Not to mention plenty of people here, myself included, saying it would be a mistake to play them and make things worse. Least surprising injury of the season.
Yep.
Shouldn't have played him. But the board have left the squad too weak. So we are dependent on players like rashford who should really only be a squad player coming on for his development, to replace a real world class striker like Zlatan, RVP etc etc.
The club is a ruin.
So Raiola was right?
Some of you need to go back and watch some games this season. Marcus has had problems with his back for months. I've seen him often hold his hip in games.
They clearly were hoping to get to the summer without any serious aggrevation and then so surgery or whatever is needed but unfortuanately it went. He was either going to be out two months ago for the 6+ weeks or now.
They clearly were hoping to get to the summer without any serious aggrevation and then so surgery or whatever is needed but unfortuanately it went. He was either going to be out two months ago for the 6+ weeks or now.
How anyone can blame anyone other then Ole is beyond me. Regardless of whether you’re Ole out or Ole in...its very clear the medical team jobs are to report on players fitness and health. The manager then uses that decision to select his lineup.
I’ve heard some Ole fanantics on twitter go as far as saying that “maybe the medical team didn’t tell Ole” wtf kind of logic is that.
look the medical team jobs are not dependent on our on the field results... it’s the manager that will risk an injured player.
I’ve heard some Ole fanantics on twitter go as far as saying that “maybe the medical team didn’t tell Ole” wtf kind of logic is that.
look the medical team jobs are not dependent on our on the field results... it’s the manager that will risk an injured player.
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Every fan in this thread a medical doctor who foresaw an injury on Rashford from a mile away.
Absolutely embarrassing for Ole. He should've given him time off. I know hindsight and all, but if a player is in pain in several places, you don't force him on the pitch. I get that he Ole wants to win and save his job, but health is more important than winning.
Rashford is such a motivated lad aswell, doesn't strike me as the guy who would say "I'm sorry Ole, I'm in a lot of pain and I think I need some rest". He is the type of player who is always ready. I hope both of them learn from this, especially Ole because he is supposed to be the one who knows what's best for his players.
Fecking hell.
Rashford is such a motivated lad aswell, doesn't strike me as the guy who would say "I'm sorry Ole, I'm in a lot of pain and I think I need some rest". He is the type of player who is always ready. I hope both of them learn from this, especially Ole because he is supposed to be the one who knows what's best for his players.
Fecking hell.
A professional football player is not a doctor, they are going to want to play as much as possible, as long as they can walk basically, so when you understand that, you understand that they don't have a responsibility because it's impossible for them to be objective; they are going to play if you give them a choice, no matter what. So then, let's assume Pogba/Rashford disregards what the medical staff tells them, and either tell OGS he's good to play, no matter the scenario, the responsibility solely falls on the medical staff and/or the manager because they are the actual decision-maker.
It's just strange to me that you give any share of the responsibility to a player for doing what any player is always going to want to do without the knowledge teams pay a medical staff/manager to know better. Puzzling.
This would be a cute comment if there weren't many posts prior to the wolves game saying this exact scenario could happen.
Get ready for Oleball without Rashford.
Correct. Stress fractures don't behave that way.
Every professional footballers carry some injury problems all the time. How to take care of them is another question.
Our medical team needs a complete overhaul. Like, clear it out from top to bottom.
It's a stress fracture, it's likely been a problem for some time. Rashford was facing a layoff whether he played at Wolves or not.
it takes 0 effort to say that a player who plays a game can be injured. Say it enough and eventually you are going to get it right.
Naughty.
Gross negligence and very, very poor from the club to not manage him properly. A footballers career is short and we shouldn't have been mismanaging his wellbeing anyway, no matter how poor our form is. I acknowledge Rashford wouldve given his 'ok' to play some of the games.
We're now getting to a stage where players could well get hacked off by the way they're getting managed in terms of injuries and getting rushed back for our short term benefit.
We're now getting to a stage where players could well get hacked off by the way they're getting managed in terms of injuries and getting rushed back for our short term benefit.
Right. Tough kid, playing with a bone spur and stress fracture. Both can be quite painful but neither is necessarily a season ender. Lots of guys have these. Clearly tried to tough it out but the pain must be too intense now. He will be missed.
He injured it a while back. You’re right it was just a matter of time
It takes more effort than what you've come up with here.
No one is going around every player thread saying they might get injured, but there were a lot of calls to rest and not jeopardize him because there were plenty of signs even the casual observer could see that he was not right.
It's not puzzling because when a player as an important discomfort or pain and just says that he is fine, he doesn't allow an accurate diagnosis. Your point would make sense if we were talking about something that can't be felt but that's not what we are talking about, we are talking about athletes being in pain for weeks, yes they aren't doctors but it doesn't prevent them from seeing one outside of the club, in fact they could just see one of the doctors working for the FAs or leagues, those can even prevent a player from playing.
Also none of that take any responsibilty away from the club medical staff and the manager. My point is simply that the player is also responsible for his health, he isn't just a bystander.
Mumbling his way through an answer. Guilty as sin.
I still want to know who all these players "chomping at the bit are" given all I can think of are Martial and Greenwood who are both playing, one is a teenager the other made of glass given we have so many champing at the bit we arent desperate for a striker...
Maybe he is referring to Fred the Red he sometimes takes part in penalty shoot outs for charity at half time yes hes often in goal but maybe he actually has a secret striking ability hes frustrated we keep overlooking
Maybe he is referring to Fred the Red he sometimes takes part in penalty shoot outs for charity at half time yes hes often in goal but maybe he actually has a secret striking ability hes frustrated we keep overlooking
Big blow that. He’s having his best goalscoring season isn’t he?
Yep
Should have known this would happy when people were getting giddy about him scoring over 30 goals for us
Interested to see if Fred’s body holds up. He must have played more minutes than anyone over the Christmas period and he isn’t getting time off any time soon.
Do you think for one moment that the medical team told him that Rashford had a stress fracture, and not to play him?
And Ole overruled them?
Seems pretty unlikely.
There was literally a massive article in The Times the day before pleading with Ole to not play him because he would strain his back. It's not hindsight.
That said he probably would have just sustained the injury today instead if he hadn't played Wolves.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/give-overburdened-marcus-rashford-a-break-ddb73zqvk
Give overburdened Marcus Rashford a break
henry winter, chief football writer
Growing up, Marcus Rashford used to get hold of tickets high up at Old Trafford and loved gazing down, marvelling at the movement and link-up between Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney. He would look and learn and dream of following in their quicksilver footsteps.
Now Rashford is out on that field of his boyhood dreams, leading Manchester United’s attack, their most important player, the local hero coveted globally, deemed even on par with Kylian Mbappé by the technical director of one pre-eminent European club when asked privately which starlet he would most like to sign.
Rashford is special, as a football player and human being, and that is why this piece is a plea for him to be looked after, for United to be mindful of the strains placed on a willowy frame with a history of back problems. Pushing his body at punishing pace, twisting and turning suddenly, manoeuvring past stranded, statuesque opponents, most recently Manchester City’s Nicolás Otamendi and most of Norwich City’s defence, precipitates motion inevitably inducing twinges of pain.
Everyone at the club knows how Rashford’s growing pains as a teenager inhibited him, requiring specialised attention under a concerned José Mourinho, and there is an acceptance that the problem has not dissipated.
So here is the commendable essence of Rashford, a hunger to keep going, making light of persistent discomfort, foraging for victory, trying to lift United back up to the days when Rooney and Van Persie were trading passes and winning trophies.
Rashford’s willing personal sacrifice cannot be good for him long-term with United, constantly placing his back under a burden where it may buckle, particularly with England heading into a European Championship, mostly on home soil, that he will start and has legitimate hope of claiming a trophy, his country’s first since 1966.
The stakes could not be higher. This could prove the most important summer of the 22-year-old’s life and he wants to be arriving fast on the front foot at the Euros, not holding his back. Gareth Southgate, the England manager, is very emollient, very considerate towards clubs but he needs to talk to his United counterpart, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, about tending to Rashford. Respected medical representatives at St George’s Park and Carrington will communicate closely, working out what is best for a player central to the fortunes of club and country. Let’s not weigh down a flyer. Let’s release him fully in form and fresh at Wembley in June. Let’s give him a break now.
Rashford always reports for duty because that is his nature: competitive, devoted. Sometimes, though, a broader perspective is required, less emotive, more measured. Rest him. Protect him. Don’t keep Rashford so long in the red zone that he burns out briefly. He is too important.
Maybe Ole wanted to play it down, because clubs now know we are desperate for a striker and will hold us to ransom even more.