Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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We're 4 points off 14th though @Zen86, so it is every bit as bad as the %suggests. A couple of poor results v Wolves and Chelsea and we're in a serious mess.
But I'm hopeful, Fernandes has been waving goodbye for 3 matches so he's fit as a fiddle and no doubt raring to go so hopefully we'll be closer to 4th than 14th soon enough.
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Oh yeah, I'm definitely the clown in that exchange when you compared Poch's vastly superior start to his first season at Spurs with OGS's at United and cut it down from 24 games (current reality), to a perfectly selected 11 games (before Poch won the next two) in order to make it look like Poch somehow did as poor a job as Ole in season oneWhat a clown
I am tempted to change to OGS to finish season then replace.
After this February break, OGS should have most of the injured players back apart from Rashford. He needs to finish the season strong to have any chance of being in charge next season for me. He has to come 4th or win the Europa League ideally to stay on for next season... if we do neither the only exception I’ll make for him to stay is if we look a much, MUCH better footballing side than we have been.
After this February break, OGS should have most of the injured players back apart from Rashford. He needs to finish the season strong to have any chance of being in charge next season for me. He has to come 4th or win the Europa League ideally to stay on for next season... if we do neither the only exception I’ll make for him to stay is if we look a much, MUCH better footballing side than we have been.
Where did i compare it?Oh yeah, I'm definitely the clown in that exchange when you compared Poch's vastly superior start to his first season at Spurs with OGS's at United
I leave this post here.
Next time you are busting my 'excuses' and 'myths' that we are missing our best players, our squad isn't good enough etc, i'll bring it out again.
Not losing the dressing room filled with Maguire, Shaw, Lingard, Perreira, Pobga is nothing to brag.
Every single one of them will be happy with Ole, any other manager and they won't even get a look at
It's a good post to bring out, but scraping 4th with 66 points is a damn site different to what is going on here this year like. I'll be over the fecking moon if we even get to 55 points as even that would be an improvement on our current points per game ratio
"If Solskjaer & the club bring the right players in they will succeed, if they don’t then Ole will go the same way as the other three blokes". I guess I was optimistic here that Ole wasn't a piss poor manager, but even with that said, I have slagged off the Summer window non-stop for months, Ole was naive as feck in the window, I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, and that naivety may well cost him his job.
I've also said time and time again, I want Ole to do well here, always have, but there are no excuses for being as poor as we are this year. I posted that in April after that shit-pit run, that I'll judge him this season, and this season he's been pretty wank so far. But here's hoping.
Oh and here's one of your old beauties that @e.cantona should also enjoy:
So you'd have had Pardew over "knowledge of the club", but now Ole is here and failing worse than Giggs (Giggsy won 50% of his PL games
), time and players is what's needed. Nice to know @Leftback99 
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Nice try. So as at 28th December 2015 (note the key 'at this point' in my post) in the midst of that horrendous run under LVG I would have preferred Pardew over Giggs (not 'knowledge of the club' as you want to twist it ).It's a good post to bring out, but scraping 4th with 66 points is a damn site different to what is going on here this year like.
"If Solskjaer & the club bring the right players in they will succeed, if they don’t then Ole will go the same way as the other three blokes". I guess I was optimistic here that Ole wasn't a piss poor manager, but even with that said, I have slagged off the Summer window non-stop for months, Ole was naive as feck in the window, I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, and that naivety may well cost him his job.
I've also said time and time again, I want Ole to do well here, always have, but there are no excuses for being as poor as we are this year. I posted that in April after that shit-pit run, that I'll judge him this season, and this season he's been pretty wank so far. But here's hoping.
Oh and here's one of your old beauties that @e.cantona should also enjoy:
So you'd have had Pardew over "knowledge of the club", but now Ole is here and failing worse than Giggs (Giggsy won 50% of his PL games
I probably still would and so would you so what's your point again?
I'll repeat again to you, I've never said I think Ole is a good manager (or a bad one). Try find a post where I have if you want?
I've been using lines of argument to defend him at times which you were literally using yourself a few months ago which you now want to dispell as nonsense and excuses for some reason.
I don’t see people on the in side going to such lengths to debunk a balanced view
Sure @Cardozo, yet amongst the most prolific posters in this thread are:
Fergiesarmy1 371 - strong in
Mainoldo 250 - strong out
Enigma_87 243 - out
Class of 63 206 - strong in
el3mel 189 - strong out
Massive Spanner 177 - thinks Ole’s a bit shit, but rather ambivalent. Doesn’t buy the excuses
momo83 176 - out
Regulus Arcturus Black 167 - hates the bollocks excuses, ambivalent, thinks we should expect miles more, can't help but myth bust the bollocks.
b82REZ 164 - out
Foxbatt 163 - out
Bilbo 157 - strong in
Bobcat 153 - strong in
Rafaeldagold 144 - strong in
dove 136 - strong out
Majima 134 - out
SteveW 130 - strong in in in
Leftback99 127 - chief excuse maker, strong in
It’s about as 50/50 as it gets so stop spouting nonsense man.
No, that's you twisting it to suit your agenda here. I said, if Solskjaer & the club bring the right players in they will succeed and quite fecking clearly he didn't. He allowed too many to leave, the buys were heavily weighted on an area of the team where we were most stocked and so far he's made us worse, clearly worse. He allowed us to go into a season at bare bones.
So according to my exact argument back then, he has fecked up and a less patient board would've sent him the way of the other 3 as I suggested. But as I've also said, he's now got another player in due to the board backing him so strongly, in an important area of the team and he's now spent 214m euros in his 10 months as permanent manager, it's time to show he's getting it right.
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wow you are really annoying
And you think United fans that doubt a man who has won 9 of 24 in the league so far will be disappointed if he turns it around and succeeds, you'd have to be an absolute oddball to even think such a daft thing.
In you own words "proving that having top players is way more important than any manager". I agree, which is the basis of most of my 'excuses' when we are hampered by injuries and a weak squad.
I simply don't think there is enough reason to sack him and replace him because i have agreed with the majority of decisions so far. Injuries have hampered us (excuse alert) and recruitment could have been handled better (how much is down to Solskjaer/Woodward/other factors we don't know).
It not just a question of Ole vs Poch, it's Ole vs Poch + all the baggage that comes with a change in manager (with no guarantee that it will be any better). The cost of the switch alone would probably be £30m+, which could be spent on a new a player and we know what you think about players compared to managers.
Why did the blame for going into the season with a weak attack lie with van Gaal but not with Ole for example? Where's the consistency from you there?
Maybe i was wrong. We've learnt a lot more about how badly we are run since then. I've not got a good word to say about LVG though, he set us back years.
Yeah. Like this is basically a good example of the kind of sh*t that you increasingly see here.
Anyone who doesn't rate Ole as a manager has some kind of inherent character failure. Sheesh give it a fecking rest guys! I get why a lot of you are pro-Ole, I'm not gonna start painting you as Auschwitz concentration camp guards just because I don't agree.
Nailed it again
Atleast no one can argue now that he isn't being backed.
I dont think you come across as ambivalent as you think you do, but you are certainly more balanced than many. I'd have listed you as strong out, but in fairness that would be based on what I've read and that isn't everything
Sure @Cardozo, yet amongst the most prolific posters in this thread are:
Fergiesarmy1 371 - strong in
Mainoldo 250 - strong out
Enigma_87 243 - out
Class of 63 206 - strong in
el3mel 189 - strong out
Massive Spanner 177 - thinks Ole’s a bit shit, but rather ambivalent. Doesn’t buy the excuses
momo83 176 - out
Regulus Arcturus Black 167 - hates the bollocks excuses, ambivalent, thinks we should expect miles more, can't help but myth bust the bollocks.
b82REZ 164 - out
Foxbatt 163 - out
Bilbo 157 - strong in
Bobcat 153 - strong in
Rafaeldagold 144 - strong in
dove 136 - strong out
Majima 134 - out
SteveW 130 - strong in in in
Leftback99 127 - chief excuse maker, strong in
It’s about as 50/50 as it gets so stop spouting nonsense man.
Nobody ever was were they? It's a long term project. The squad is thin because it was decided to do that, and the transfer will come when we can get the players we want. Hes getting backed by the club, but not by too many of our fans, who IMO just dont have the patience needed to see this through
Surely its not even debatable that the moaners have taken over the forum
You could list me as strong out but you'd be wrong, I'm just strong in the facts game Bilbo, and the facts so far are that we were naive as feck in the Summer and we've won just a miserable 9 from 24 games, we're 4 points off 14th. You only have me as "strong out" because these facts made you feel a little uncomfortable about your firm position on the manager and him deserving more time and money, which is understandable as the facts of this season are uncomfortable for any Manchester United fans. I repeat these facts time and time again and will do so to cut through the bullshit, I'm Carl Pilkington's dream super hero
If we get Ighalo over the line I'm pleased Ole and the management team have learned from their naive mistakes in the Summer and have balanced out the squad somewhat, removing 2 of our 6 fullbacks and bringing in a CM/10 and a proper number 9, two areas we desperately needed reinforcements.
I hope like hell we pick up now, get 4th and show we're onto something. If our season continues like the first 24 games though, hell yeah you can count me as strong Ole out, because my God has he been backed now. Any manager in football would dream about being backed like this after such a miserable 2/3's of a campaign.
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He's wrong there though Bilbs, plenty of people have gone to great lengths to try to debunk the facts that Ole has had a fecking terrible start to his first full season, even attempting to compare Ole's start to Klopp and Fergie amongst a tonne of other garbage.
Trying to claim those on one side of the fence have been "better" than the other here is foolish. We've all posted a tonne of shite, I have tried whenever possible to stick to the cold hard facts as ultimately, that's what will decide if Ole has a future here or not.
For me, for what's it's worth, I think there are many instances where just looking at the facts doesnt tell you the full story. This is certainly one of those instances.
We weren't naive in the summer. We did what had to be done. I dont care about win rate. I'll take 4th with 11 points or 111. Who cares. I had little expectation of finishing fourth (though there may be a post out there where I predicted it this summer, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm an optimist) and even less so had I known who we'd lose and for how long.
I think Ole is doing a marvellous job this season. It's by far the toughest we'll ever have it for the foreseeable future and being within distance of top four and going well in the cups - well, I'd have been pleased with that and I am.
In one year we've gone from having a tired looking squad full of players we wanted out, and it's been replaced by a young, hungry and talented group that are likeable and most seem willing to bleed for the cause. In one year! I was about to say I think its remarkable but I've sunk a few so many I'll just say instead that I cant fathom how anyone would think that that is grounds for sacking him.
The football needs to improve as does the consistency. I'll judge him more harshly on that next season
Yes we were, and it'll likely end up costing us 4th, or at least a very good Jan will be what got us there. I don't think it needed to be that hard this season to sail into 4th, and make no mistake 4th means so much to this club right now in terms of targets for Summer 2020 and transfer money (Adidas, TV etc).
Ole wanted only young "United players" for the future, but we'd have been much better off if we had to sell Lukaku bringing in the likes of Ighalo to boost numbers and options. But it appears he's learning on the job and has learned his lesson now and I'm very hopeful that the naive mistakes of the Summer won't cost us too badly now after this January window.
You see, that is "balanced", whereas claiming "Ole is doing a marvellous job this season" is incredibly rose-tinted as we could quite easily be 10th or worse in 2.5 weeks.
I think you’re reinforcing my point. Can anyone have a different opinion to you without being belittled?
Ole is here for the foreseeable. We surely can all agree we have the 4th/5th best squad in the league. Have under performed in the ‘easy games’ and over performed in the ‘hard games’.
I like to think the law of averages, having seen us have 20 shots and lose, says we win that game more often than not and therefore over a season or two it averages out.
Abso-fecking-lutely. I'm sure some hate our recent signing, I think it's great, I won't belittle anyone for hating it.
Ok pal.
Well for me, it's not harsh at all, compared to the out brigade extremists.
They call us deluded, accepting mediocrity, clueless, etc...
Thing is though, the ones who are supporting Ole is being realistic. They think like a grown man, instead of telling people Ole is not a professional coach/manager, we accept the reason why we're in this situation. When we post something like this, then they will come and attack, which is stupid.
I'm telling you, the cancer of this forum is the ones who always find something to criticize about, they are restless until we've won a fecking title.
You only see that as rose tinted because you are putting too much stock into results this season. To you, a couple of wins or losses here or there change your entire view of what we are doing and whether it will work, but I'm not thinking about this the same way, at least not this season.
Time will tell whether one or both of us is full of shit. It doesnt really matter as long as we get better, then everybody wins. I think that you and many others are under valuing what has been done at this club in a very short space of time, and that's a shame because it means that if this plan works Ole wont get the full credit that he will deserve. Many already say 'everyone would have sold those guys, they were crap' or 'anyone could see that these signings we made were obvious'.
What they dont acknowledge is that previous managers of high esteem did not do those things. Quite the opposite. They bought badly and sold badly, and are highly responsible for the mess we are in. We needed to gut the squad for many reasons, and it was a ballsy move to do so much of it so quickly. If he can do all that AND get us back into the champions league, then it will be an amazing achievement.
It’s remarkable that you can imply other posters are toxic after posts like this. ‘They think like a grown man’, ‘cancer of this forum’. Get a fecking grip.
Changed my vote. Him berating Lingard, then getting two attackers, shows that there's still hope of him turns into a good manager. Go sue me.
That's who it was? I wondered who he bollocked the other night. Still not as fearsome as Fergie eye-murdering Jonny Evans, but good to see him lose it.
Laying into Lingard was glorious. Hopefully someone will do a 10 hour looped version and put it on YouTube
As for getting two attackers, How much credit should he reasonably get for that? If you gave any other manager in English football £50 million to buy a player do you not think they’d be able to find a good one? It’s kind of ridiculous to imbue this action with some sort of rare type of skill, it’s not rocket science.
I think Ole is an ok manager who might possibly turn into a good one. IMO that’s not good enough
Kick him now and get a good manager and we might be able to win the europa league!
Sadly we will stick with him. Hope the players can carry him to win something and then still get someone else this summer.
Sadly we will stick with him. Hope the players can carry him to win something and then still get someone else this summer.
Oh they will. It will be he wanted Maddison they gave him Bruno. What do you expect.
Sums up the Ole lovers no disrespect. Sell players you dislike (great manager), bench players you dislike (great manager).
Shout towards his own players that you dislike (great manager). Team getting poor results and showing almost no signs of improving( doesn't matter since he needs more time to bring players in and the squad is not good enough and he got a long term vision for the club)
Gets Ighalo in with less than 1 hour to go on loan ( great manager with such a great plan for getting a striker in and improving the squad)
I am happy we finally got something, but the overall plan for transfers has been shockingly bad under him. Was bad before too, but got even worse compared to the time under Mourinho.
That's not what defines good manager though. Tactics and results are.
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