Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[hobbers]

Carlo Ancelotti has taken Everton (who were hovering in and around relegation zone) to above United in space of a month with same squad and no money spent.

Ole has had 14 months, and spent £200m to have us languishing in 8th.

I wonder if Ole had been available... would Everton have maybe gone for him over Ancelotti?

Ancelotti is established, title-winning, well respected, a big draw for prospective signings. But Ole is just a fantastic person who's played a lot of Football Manager, and he scored that goal in the CL final so ....

 

[0le]

I guarantee you Ancelotti will be sacked within 1-2 years. Every manager has a new bounce. He will eventually struggle to find results and suffer the same fate as Ole. The only difference is that the Everton board will act on it more quickly than our board who will instead wait til CL football is mathematically impossible.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Carlo Ancelotti has taken Everton (who were hovering in and around relegation zone) to above United in space of a month with same squad and no money spent.

Ole has had 14 months, and spent £200m to have us languishing in 8th.

Everton have a better squad though init.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I guarantee you Ancelotti will be sacked within 1-2 years. Every manager has a new bounce. He will eventually struggle to find results and suffer the same fate as Ole. The only difference is that the Everton board will act on it more quickly than our board who will instead wait til CL football is mathematically impossible.

Probably since Anchelotti has not done that well recently. With Bayern he did alright, but not at the level they wanted.
Failed with Napoli as well.
1-0 vs Burnley, 1-0 vs Brighton, 3-2 vs Watford, 2-1 vs Newcastle,2-2 vs Newcastle, 1-1 vs West Ham.
Not results beyond most sides in the league during a decent run.
Of course grinding out wins can be great, but margins to make those games draws can be small.

 

[0le]

Carlo Ancelotti has taken Everton (who were hovering in and around relegation zone) to above United in space of a month with same squad and no money spent.

Ole has had 14 months, and spent £200m to have us languishing in 8th.

In Ole's first 8 games he had a better run than Ancelotti. So what does that tell you? Its a new manager bounce. Give it more time and you will see. If you want a good example to compare with Ole to demonstrate a point, probably Brendan Rodgers is a better example.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

In Ole's first 8 games he had a better run than Ancelotti. So what does that tell you? Its a new manager bounce.

Maybe, but we’re talking about a 3 time Champions League winning manager so I wouldn’t be certain of it.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Maybe, but we’re talking about a 3 time Champions League winning manager so I wouldn’t be certain of it.

Both had very kind early runs in terms of the league fixtures. Thus it might not show how they will respond to bigger challenges.
Anchelotti has yet to win a game against one of the better sides in the league.
Although beating the bottom half regulary is enough to get top 7 though at least this season.

 

[Gehrman]

Both had very kind early runs in terms of the league fixtures. Thus it might not show how they will respond to bigger challenges.
Anchelotti has yet to win a game against one of the better sides in the league.
Although beating the bottom half regulary is enough to get top 7 though at least this season.

Ancelotti is managing Everton though. Expectations should be very different.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Where have all the people gone who was comparing Klopp to Ole? They dropped those bombshells then bounced. I wanna see what they have to say in their defence now that they've been called out?

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Ancelotti is managing Everton though. Expectations should be very different.

True. He is doing very well for them so far in terms of the results. Everton is probably expected to be 8-9th before the season started.
Just his run is 5,2,2 so far. Very good, but the margins to say it is not great is little.
Had they lost the crazy game against watford and got a draw today it would be 3,3,3. Thus average run.

Thus hard to know if they will keep that up. They do not look that impressive although when Richarlison plays they got a top player in him
Lewin is hard working and scoring a lot too so they got a good partnership up front.
Keeper, midfield and defense is not something to be impressed by. I guess that gives more credit to the manager I guess to make the sum greater than the parts.
Digne got a deadly foot too particular on set pieces.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

Thing is I am not sure they are playing much better. They are grinding out wins, but also look very easy to beat for say a bigger team.
They have beaten Burnley, Newcastle, Brighton, Palace and Watford. All with 1 goal apart from today, but they could have easily conceded more today.
Knocked out by Pool kids with the best side too.
I guess the test comes now with the harder games. I have not watched them enough, but they have not impressed me much when I have watched them.
The most impressive game I have seen them was against Chelsea under Big Dunc.
Last week against Watford to turn it around late with 10 man was impressive I guess, but I didn't watch that game.

It is a bit like Oles run in a way. Although he got some big wins and also beat some top sides during his run. Even if the football didn't look that impressive.

We've lost to Burnley, Newcastle, Brighton, Palace and Watford. We'd be 1 point away from City had we grinded those results...

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

We've lost to Burnley, Newcastle, Brighton, Palace and Watford. We'd be 1 point away from City had we grinded those results...

Never said we have been great against the weaker sides. Just that it might not tell too much about the future under Anchelotti.
Some teams can grind out results regulary and they might be able to do that.

Just with the defending they have shown you expect them to potentially get punnished more. They got it against Newcastle.

 

[MrEarl]

Someone has recently posted that OGS has spent 200 million £ in the last two transfer markets. This is not true. The club has spent 120 million £. The net investment sustained a loss of at least 40 million for Herrera and thus is only 80 million.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985/saison_id/2019

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Carlo Ancelotti has taken Everton (who were hovering in and around relegation zone) to above United in space of a month with same squad and no money spent.

Ole has had 14 months, and spent £200m to have us languishing in 8th.

This.

Just pull the fecking trigger already, FFS.

When City replaced Pellegrini with Guardiola they announced it midway through the season to lift spirits at the club and let the fanbase know there's a plan.

Just fecking announce Pochettino and show there's a fecking plan you useless feckwits.

It's laughable - Sun / Woodward stuff, Ole's shite footy, crap coaching, crap results - just fecking pull the trigger and do your job.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Since we've become so hell bent on finding the right type of player for the club and I'll say we've done a good job so far - Bruno AWB Maguire and James are very United like. So how about we find the right type of coach for the club that is United like too.

We say a United player should have the talent, hunger and passion, never give up mentality etc. Likewise a united coach should be flexible with tactics, plays attacking football, promotes youth, ambitious, can handle pressure and motivate the players. Ole hardly ticks these boxes. I want Nagelsmann

 

[mu4c_20le]

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You should really consider getting into this social media malarky, FootyGirl. You wouldn't even need to use a fake profile pic and you'd be instantly more popular than these lot.

 

[INeedAbsynthe]

So the Ole in brigade are now resorting to rewriting history hoping nobody would notice to discredit Klopp’s achievements.....

It’s truly fascinating and has me wondering what’s next? I look forward to reading how Klopp only won the champions league because he somehow copied Ole from the famous PSG game, if that has not yet been done.

 

[FootyGirl88]

*posts stats from league table*

*gets thousands of likes*

You should really consider getting into this social media malarky, FootyGirl. You wouldn't even need to use a fake profile pic and you'd be instantly more popular than these lot.

awe thanks

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Someone has recently posted that OGS has spent 200 million £ in the last two transfer markets. This is not true. The club has spent 120 million £. The net investment sustained a loss of at least 40 million for Herrera and thus is only 80 million.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985/saison_id/2019

Arrivals sum: €214.00m
Departures sum: €71.98m
Arrivals - departures = €142.02m

Black and white.

And 40 million for Herrera... Even your own link has Herrera down as a market value of €20m but don't let that stop your Dougy. Who gives a feck about NET anyway? Ole has gotten rid of a striker he didn't want and saw as nothing more than a backup and has spent €214m.

 

[MrEarl]

All these comparisons to Kopp seem irrelevant since Kopp turned down the United job in 2017. Do you really think Pep or ZZ would take the United job?

Most of the folks posting here would like to see OGS fired and replaced tomorrow if not sooner. If that was done, that would give us six managers in six years and eight months. This is a club in desperate need of stability.

I was not in favor of the interm appointment of OGS nor was I in favor of his permanent appointment based on lack of experience. From my perspective he has done a reasonable job having been dealt a terrible hand. The team he was handed to begin the current season had one proven Premier League CM. and Pogba, who was also the team's best player, has been out injured for almost a whole season. Under OGS' management Fred and McT are now clearly Premier League quality. But OGS has been forced to field a team with at best one to two CM's short and zero attacking CMs. United doesn't have the players to break down defensive teams. Hopefully, Bruno will fix that.

I'd like to see how OGS does with the full complement of three CMs which we will not have until either Pogba or McT return. In the meantime he is going to have to field a team without his three best players . That's going cripple any team in the Premier League. Meanwhile, all OGS can do is to try to develop the players he has. To date six players have made significant improvements under his management. At the end of the season take a hard look at how OGS has done with a full central midfield. Make an informed decision.

I'm not sure what highly credentialed manager would take the Manchester United helm. As explained by Woodward, the manager merely makes a recommendation for players to a committee of which he is a member. Woodward carries out the committee's recommendations to the extent that he has approved funding. Unfortunately Woodward lacks a football background and can apparently only work on only one possible trade at a time and in an extremely protracted manner. Maybe a highly qualified manager could work around those job limitations but that's what JM was and he said his job title should be changed from manager to coach since he has no control over transfers. My guess is JM looked at his situation and engineered his exit in a way that didn't cost him his exit fees. I doubt that top rated international managers are falling all over themselves to get the United job.

 

[hobbers]

To date six players have made significant improvements under his management.

Assuming by those 6 you mean McTominay, Fred, Rashford, Greenwood, Williams and... actually I can't for the life of me think of a 6th player who's improved, don't think there is one.

I don't think Ole has been any sort of factor in that, other than the fact he's picked them to play. Greenwood and Williams wouldn't even be called improvement, just the natural progression of talented youngsters once you start giving them game time. Rashford's been incredible as an inside forward in the opponent's third, but under Ole his game inside the penalty area has not improved at all. He still doesn't know when to run or where to position himself. Really basic stuff that Ole should be a perfect teacher for, and yet isn't.

 

[momo83]

So the Ole in brigade are now resorting to rewriting history hoping nobody would notice to discredit Klopp’s achievements.....

It’s truly fascinating and has me wondering what’s next? I look forward to reading how Klopp only won the champions league because he somehow copied Ole from the famous PSG game, if that has not yet been done.

They’ve been rewriting history and resorting to lies for quite a while.

But to be fair to them even Ole has started doing it. Ole;

“Jurgen spent four years building his team, and they're going well now”

That’s Ole trying to convince people that for 4 years Klopp had Liverpool playing as crap as he has us playing. Completely forgetting Klopp winning the CL and finishing 2nd on 97 points, getting to the CL final, getting to the Europa final, qualifying for the CL in every full season that he was manager, and the fact that he actually developed a great style of play pretty quickly on a limited budget

 

[Greck]

So the Ole in brigade are now resorting to rewriting history hoping nobody would notice to discredit Klopp’s achievements.....

It’s truly fascinating and has me wondering what’s next? I look forward to reading how Klopp only won the champions league because he somehow copied Ole from the famous PSG game, if that has not yet been done.

Ole himself came out with that delusion. He actually said it at a press conference that it took Klopp 4 years and was why he needed time. He's a disaster of a speaker with the gems that come out of his mouth

 

[Canagel]

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Positive news but shocking that a top 6 finish will potentially save him. Club standards are on the floor. All our past managers were sacked when they didn't finish 4th or it was not possible

 

[Samid]

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Positive news but shocking that a top 6 finish will potentially save him. All our past managers were sacked when they didn't finish 4th or it was not possible

Mourinho finished 6th in his first season and survived.

 

[BusbyMalone]

TBF, that tweet is probably a load of rubbish. But if you're at the point where you're gonna sack the manager for someone else if he finishes in 6th, then you may as well sack him now and move on. It makes no fecking sense. As a board, you either have faith in him or you don't.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Mourinho finished 6th in his first season and survived.

He also won 2 trophies!

Goodness me, FFS.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

TBF, that tweet is probably a load of rubbish. But if you're at the point where you're gonna sack the manager for someone else if he finishes in 6th, then you may as well sack him now and move on. It makes no fecking sense. As a board, you either have faith in him or you don't.

They're the most dithering, reactive board in Elite footy though mate...

Constant bizarre, counter-intuitive decisions are the norm.

Footballing decisions that are so bad they're literally surreal are what they deal in, and have done for 7 years.

 

[mu4c_20le]

TBF, that tweet is probably a load of rubbish. But if you're at the point where you're gonna sack the manager for someone else if he finishes in 6th, then you may as well sack him now and move on. It makes no fecking sense. As a board, you either have faith in him or you don't.

Top 6 is probably a realistic objective for this current squad, while top 4 is not, especially with Rashford out. I'm not surprised if Poch was always in the shortlist, and probably Rangnick as well during that bad run, as emergency candidates. I think the board does back him but even they have their limits, and this shows the season was never intended to be 'thrown away'.

 

[Adnan]

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Positive news but shocking that a top 6 finish will potentially save him. Club standards are on the floor. All our past managers were sacked when they didn't finish 4th or it was not possible

Steve Bates also says the following in the above piece.

"And with the prospect of a second season without the Champions League United's owners are getting twitchy – and haven't ruled out moving for Pochettino who has been in Spain and his native Argentina since leaving Tottenham" .

 

[BusbyMalone]

They're the most dithering, reactive board in Elite footy though mate...

Constant bizarre, counter-intuitive decisions are the norm.

Footballing decisions that are so bad they're literally surreal are what they deal in, and have done for 7 years.

That word there in bold is very true, unfortunately. Constantly reacting to things when it's clearly too late. Waiting for something bad to happen first, as opposed to thinking "hold on, how about we try and do something before that bad thing happens".

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Mourinho finished 6th in his first season and survived.

Really?

 

[NJM78]

I’m taking it that in top 6 would be with a trophy also, preferably the EL.

If he gets to stay just by finishing in 5th or 6th with no trophies then I give up.

For me it is top 4 or EL champions or sacked. He should actually be gone now but this is the least any of us should accept.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Mourinho finished 6th in his first season and survived.

Won the charity shield the Europa League the FA cup

 

[mu4c_20le]

Won the charity shield the Europa League the FA cup

League cup. Van Gaal remains the only manager to bring us the FA cup after a long drought of over ten years.

 

[Rolaholic]

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Positive news but shocking that a top 6 finish will potentially save him. Club standards are on the floor. All our past managers were sacked when they didn't finish 4th or it was not possible

Quite disappointing seeing that finishing top 6 is now considered somewhat of a measure of success at the club after all the money spent...

We used to make fun of Arsenal fans and the top 4 trophy yet here we are seemingly satisfied with achieving the bare minimum for a club of our size.

Gonna be quite depressing finishing 6th, having Ole stay and watching Poch replace Pep after he goes on sabbatical

 

[UnofficialDevil]

League cup. Van Gaal remains the only manager to bring us the FA cup after a long drought of over ten years.

Sorry my bad

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Quite disappointing seeing that finishing top 6 is now considered somewhat of a measure of success at the club after all the money spent...

We used to make fun of Arsenal fans and the top 4 trophy yet here we are seemingly satisfied with achieving the bare minimum for a club of our size.

Gonna be quite depressing finishing 6th, having Ole stay and watching Poch replace Pep after he goes on sabbatical

Very dissapointing, if we finish 6th and keep Ole I give up.

 

[momo83]

Mourinho finished 6th in his first season and survived.

Won the Europa and secured CL football

 

[momo83]

Very dissapointing, if we finish 6th and keep Ole I give up.

Honestly. If there were positive signs that he wasn’t just all talk and out of his depth I’d accept it.

For example if we finished 6th and had a great style of play that had us dominating most matches, Ole was coaching and getting better then the sum of the parts at his disposal etc I’d be happy because in that situation we’d know clearly which players were not good enough and in what 1-3 positions we needed to strengthen.

It would be as simple as finding the right upgrade in those positions to guarantee improvements. But sadly that’s not the case. The weakest link in our squad is the manager himself.