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Both interesting in their own way.
I would be pretty surprised if it's not FF/SF. Two scorpions just relentlessly stinging each other until they both drown, all while shouting "Actually, you're wrong...." over each other.
Its seems to be the standard conservative approach when discussing voting patterns.Most popular party in every age demographic below 60 according to the exit polls. That reads like a now rather inaccurate pre-written article.
It is true to some extent though, you only have to look to stuff like the Irish Simpsons Fans Facebook page, where thousands of Irish voters in this age bracket seem to find SF/IRA connections hilarious, with absolutely no mention of the negatives behind them. You'd be hounded if you say anything that could possibly be construed as ableist/sexist etc., but wilful ignorance towards links with terrorists is grand. There are other left parties out there to vote for without the baggage associated with SF.
Fair points. I’d never underestimate the lengths FF are willing to go to to get into/stay in power, though.I would be surprised if there is a FF/SF coalition. SF ran 42 candidates in the 39 constituencies. FF ran 84 and FG ran 82 candidates.
Just as an aside; why is it that parties can run more than 1 candidate in an area? Wouldn’t it be fairer to have 1 candidate per party in a constituency?
As it stands someone can get elected on around 10% of a vote and get a seat earning €60k a year. That seems absurd to me
The ultimate aim is to get 80 seats which is a majority. So if you only had 1 per constituency that wouldn’t be possibleJust as an aside; why is it that parties can run more than 1 candidate in an area? Wouldn’t it be fairer to have 1 candidate per party in a constituency?
As it stands someone can get elected on around 10% of a vote and get a seat earning €60k a year. That seems absurd to me
Duh. Of courseThe ultimate aim is to get 80 seats which is a majority. So if you only had 1 per constituency that wouldn’t be possible
Theres roughly 30 constituencies of varying size and need 80 seats for a majority. Only running 1 in each area wouldn't exactly make much sense when some have as much as 5 seats to fill. Plus would only fill up spaces in the dail with nutters from renua ifp and the national party.Huh?
Fair points. I’d never underestimate the lengths FF are willing to go to to get into/stay in power, though.
The other main left party is about vanish, labour was just too willing to jump in bed with the 2 big boys and that has fecked them in the end and voting for a party with Joan Burton is sickening.It is true to some extent though, you only have to look to stuff like the Irish Simpsons Fans Facebook page, where thousands of Irish voters in this age bracket seem to find SF/IRA connections hilarious, with absolutely no mention of the negatives behind them. You'd be hounded if you say anything that could possibly be construed as ableist/sexist etc., but wilful ignorance towards links with terrorists is grand. There are other left parties out there to vote for without the baggage associated with SF.
I agree. I think Micheal Martin is keen on idea of being Taoiseach too.
The issue isn't in criticising that "ignorance", it's in directing that accusation towards the younger generation at a time when SF's popularity has dramatically increased in other demographics too. If you're going to level that criticism at the electorate then you need to do it in a much broader way.
The other main left party is about vanish, labour was just too willing to jump in bed with the 2 big boys and that has fecked them in the end and voting for a party with Joan Burton is sickening.
You're both probably right.
A FF/FG coalition would just feel like such nothingness.
I am surprised to see a SF / FF coalition is the most likely scenario with the bookies
I don't really understand why he wouldn't just go with FG though in a way.Looks like we could be wrong.
Michael Martin is rowing right back on his position and opening the door to the possibility of a FF/SF coalition in his latest comments.
https://www.independent.ie/incoming...tance-on-working-with-sinn-fein-38939826.html
Looks like we could be wrong.
Michael Martin is rowing right back on his position and opening the door to the possibility of a FF/SF coalition in his latest comments.
https://www.independent.ie/incoming...tance-on-working-with-sinn-fein-38939826.html
I was sure that at the 7 leaders debate, either most of or all of the leaders of the left-sided parties said they wouldn't touch SF.And I’ve just seen FG’s Eoghan Murphy once again categorically rule out working with SF. So yeah, FF-SF looking more likely now.
Wonder how Mary-Lou is currently getting on trying to negotiate a grand left alliance with the rest?
I don't really understand why he wouldn't just go with FG though in a way.
Less controversial. Less ethically problematic from his perspective. Far easier in terms of agreeing on policy. I suppose it just puts the future of the party and its relevance in jeopardy.
It is interesting to see the issues in the south about voting Sinn Fein yet they are totally fine with them being in power in the north.
I was sure that at the 7 leaders debate, either most of or all of the leaders of the left-sided parties said they wouldn't touch SF.
Michael Martin is current proof that anyone can back track, but getting the seats together and getting all leaders to do a turnaround sounds ambitious to say the very least!
Yeah it would be a nightmare to organize. And to govern with.
In other news:
Does the amount of candidates put out by SF not give way to the danger of very low-quality TDs getting elected?
Have a mate who believes that outside of a few prominent SF representatives, the quality of their candidates is abysmal. I didn't bother asking him to elaborate at the time but his point has a logical basis, doesn't it?
60% of SF voters are voting for the party moreso than the individuals in their local constituency, which means more party driven voters than the votes going towards any other party (FF for example is 60% in favour of the actual candidate).
There's also only 1 candidate in most constituencies whereas FF and FG have at least two in many of them, meaning that you are less likely to get voted in just because of the party you're in, you also have to be impressive as an individual to oust the rest of the candidates and in particular, the other candidates in your own party.
I've also seen a few stories about newly elected SFs not too long ago being in the political wilderness without any real achievements. They're suddenly in.
Is this not a worry at all?
Struggling to understand the vote tallies. It looks like both Michael Martin and Varadkar have less overall votes in their respective areas: what does that mean going forward?