The “Ole In” Brigade

[littleman]

Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.

Talking about totality and seeing the big picture.. and then saying Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer becoming DOF of one of the richest clubs in the world

AHHAHAAHAHAHA

u funny

 

[Web of Bissaka]

"All-in" defending Ole.

 

[sglowrider]

I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.

I have written about this a number of times already so I will be accused of repeating myself here. The first point we need to accept is that United is run like a business and a football club second. And you can blame the Glazers.
If you accept that, then there are a number of objectives the business has to maintain.

1) Sustainable financial model.
2) Fiduciary obligations to its shareholders of maximising shareholder value.

After fecking up the football side for near a decade, they can finally see some mid-term implications in terms of football performance from their lack of investments to the tail end of the Fergie era. There is also the recognition of the galacticos players and managers approach to building a team has failed badly.

Both of these two factors has led the United higher-ups to conclude that they need a more long term, less opportunistic/haphazard approach to building a sustainable footballing model.

Then the next question is now what? They also know that we will be in the shitter for the next couple of years in terms of CL revenues. (The EPL revenues have marginal difference based on positions for a club the size of United in reality unless we lose our sparkle and get fewer TV appearance bonus.)

They have taken the approach of doing a root/branch teardown of the previous model into one of the New, Old United. One that is based on youth, team-approach to success with the occasional sprinkle of a 'superstar'.

See what we have in-house, maximise the resources internally then get what we need to plug the gaps externally.

We are in the 1st phase of maximising the internal resources -- which will include clearing out the deadwood.

All this has to be done within a budget -- duties to the shareholders in maximising the stock value -- and in view of the projected fall in revenues for the next couple of years. Thus the corresponded cost cuts ie primarily off-loading the salaries of the deadwood and bulking it up with academy players.... for now.

If we are successful, then we will loosen the financial sprocket to go big. Otherwise, in this build-up period, we will have a pretty strict budget, not necessarily small but within acceptable levels to ensure shareholder value/price.

Its an incremental approach that's targeted for a long term outcome. So unless United falls off the cliff performance-wise, I see Ole being there for the next season and possibly more to carry through this plan.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Liverpool, City all had weak seasons prior to building something.

Both Pep and Klopp had worse results and then followed by a new dawn.

Utter bullshit. The idea that we have to go backward to go forward is an excuse for Ole's incompetence. You even go further to use the two best managers in the world as examples and just shoot yourseld in the foot.

Pep in his first season took City from 4th position they got under Pellegrini the previous season to 3rd. The following seasons he won the Pl twice. Where is the step backward to go forward? Klopp in his first season took Liverpool from 12th to 8th. Next season to 4th. The next season to 4th and champions league final. The next season to 2nd and champions league winners. Where did they take a step backward to go forward. Pochettino took over Tottenham who came 6th under Sherwood. He took them to 5th to 3rd to 2nd. Where did they have to take a step backward to go forward? Conte has taken inter from 4th in their previous season under spaletti and are currently 1st. Where is the step backwards???

 

[SmashedHombre]

I have written about this a number of times already so I will be accused of repeating myself here. The first point we need to accept is that United is run like a business and a football club second.

So unless United falls off the cliff performance-wise,

Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.

 

[sglowrider]

Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.

Change management is an iceberg scenario. We dont know whats going on under the surface till later. We have been unlucky with injuries etc. But much of the issues of the past need to be corrected before moving forward.

Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

With Ed's quotes today i just have a horrible feeling we're going to stick with him in the summer and watch other, far better managers, go elsewhere and do nothing. Hope I'm wrong.

We deserve a trophy for stupidest club ever if we do that.

 

[el3mel]

Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.

Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?

 

[mu4c_20le]

Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.

Football clubs do it all the time. Madrid with Solari, Arsenal with Arteta. Hoffenheim made headlines when they appointed a 28 year old to be their head coach. Not going to deny we are poorly run, but inexperience is no longer a barrier in the modern game.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.

I thought we finished 2nd not too long ago? Bit melodramatic isn't it

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.

He deserves at least until the end of the season for anyone to make that judgment. Of course we only see these type of opinions after a bad result and not a good one.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Football clubs do it all the time. Madrid with Solari, Arsenal with Arteta. Hoffenheim made headlines when they appointed a 28 year old to be their head coach. Not going to deny we are poorly run, but inexperience is no longer a barrier in the modern game.

That's what I said. We're run as a football club, not a business. A business wouldn't have hired Ole.

If Solari and Arteta are your examples of why we should persist with Ole then god help us. Hoffenheim spent 3 years working with Nagelsmann before he became manager. They knew his qualities. And besides, it's Hoffenheim. Smaller clubs can afford to take more risks on managers and players.

I thought we finished 2nd not too long ago? Bit melodramatic isn't it

Nope. Our performances are awful and have absolutely 'fallen off a cliff'.

He deserves at least until the end of the season for anyone to make that judgment. Of course we only see these type of opinions after a bad result and not a good one.

I disagree. I've considered Ole not good enough for some time. It could always be that different people have different opinions. And if we only see Ole 'not being good enough' voiced after a bad result, then I've no doubt we've seen that opinion an awful lot this past 12 months. I do agree that he should be given to the end of the season though, just because bringing in a new manager wouldn't save our season now anyway, and there's not really anyone available.

I would love for Ole to become a fantastic manager, and I hope that if he does we hire him back then.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?

I was going to reply with something similar.

The “Ole In Brigade” can’t actually give a tangible reason as to why/what he has done to shoe progression so they’re now at a point where his defence is he’s doing things most can’t see/understand.

Teams don’t suddenly go from bad to good simply because their manager scored 4 goals in 10 minutes against Nottingham Forest decades ago. We would all love for OgS to be a decent manager but his best days at United were his playing ones.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.

Exactly this.

Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.

Nonsense.

 

[sglowrider]

Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?

You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.

 

[Class of 63]

Are the Ole 'out' crowd the Fire Brigade?

 

[tenpoless]

You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.

Well to be fair He's a manager and the club is in his hands. He's the most credible source to get important updates, He knows about the state of the club more than anyone. He's not your average neighbor who can constantly talks shite and gets away with it. If that's the case then We won't need press conferences, just read Daily Star. And We're not doing very well so people get worried when the manager keeps changing his tone, it's normal. Don't compare Ole to Sir Alex.

 

[Abe144]

I was going to reply with something similar.

The “Ole In Brigade” can’t actually give a tangible reason as to why/what he has done to shoe progression so they’re now at a point where his defence is he’s doing things most can’t see/understand.

Sounds a bit like the Lingard thread earlier this season

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.

So let’s say he doesn’t always tell the truth in pressers, which are generally a waste of time anyway.

How in the hell do you know what he means if he’s not saying it? You’re giving OgS backing based on things he hasn’t said & more importantly stufff you can’t identify/know.

How about we judge him based on what we can unequivocally all see. His style of football has been regressive & unlike top coaches he is unable to coach up talent. He’s overseeing a historically bad season. So on. . .

You’re unable to provide any decent reason as to why what he is doing is positive other than, “I can see it but you can’t” which simply doesn’t work in a forum discussion

 

[Class of 63]

You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.

All Managers do, and now even more than ever, todays hacks are like slick Lawyers, and they hunt in packs, they know what they are doing, they probably take bets before hand on how many/few questions it will take to make the Manager look as though he doesn't know what day it is.

Considering I think Ole handles his pressers well.

 

[sglowrider]

All Managers do, and now even more than ever, todays hacks are like slick Lawyers, and they hunt in packs, they know what they are doing, they probably take bets before hand on how many/few questions it will take to make the Manager look as though he doesn't know what day it is.

Considering I think Ole handles his pressers well.

It's an obligation to the league. Key is not to give too much away.

 

[Bobcat]

I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.

That's not quite how it works though. The managers pick their targets and tell Ed and the board what players they want to keep in their squad on who is up for sale, its not the managers themselves who sits on the money and who negotiates the deals

 

[Class of 63]

It's an obligation to the league. Key is not to give too much away.

Not to give too much away, and don't try and be their friends.

 

[Redpimp]

Change management is an iceberg scenario. We dont know whats going on under the surface till later. We have been unlucky with injuries etc. But much of the issues of the past need to be corrected before moving forward.

Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.

Im afraid its way too late to act!

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.

This has been my exact point.

If we are giving OgS credit for outgoings he must get criticism for incoming transfers but no the “OgS defendants” who must work on the board in their spare time want to blame Woody when it goes wrong & praise OgS when it goes the way they like.

Judging transfers under OgS on facts not perception as you say would rank his work somewhere around 5-6/10 but because he’s been horrendous on the pitch fans with no actual facts of how our dealings work put all the blame on Woody for no one coming in & over-praise 3 mediocre summer transfers in his favour.

@Bobcat you make a fair assumption but how do you know for a fact a list of suitable/gettable players was given from OgS to Woodward? It’s all well to assume but if the list in the summer was headlined by Sancho [a player I’ve long believed we stand very little chance of actually getting because the club don’t want to sell etc.] then the flaws in the list are as bad as the inept negations Woodward has presided over previously.

We don’t know with any certainty that OgS provides a list & Woodward screws it up; what we do know is we have shown no real improvement on the pitch & transfers during his tenure have been. . . clumsy. You either give OgS some responsibility for transfers in & out or none at all surely.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

It's an obligation to the league. Key is not to give too much away.

Not to give too much away, and don't try and be their friends.

Ok. So he’s a master tactician at the pressers.

Does this make up for his lack of tactical nouse in the dugout?

Let’s write off his pressers & look at the product on the pitch; he can say all he likes in a Friday cause come Saturday/Sunday we’re a shower most weeks. We’ve basically won a game a month most of this season in the league [someone listed it in a thread] that’s surely somewhat a flaw in the management.

 

[fergieisold]

I really cannot understand this Ole in brigade logic? It is not even a brigade but more of a platoon. We finished 2nd with the squad Ole got mid season. Then he culled the squad and now we are no where near even the CL spot. So how can anyone else but the manager be responsible for our current situation?

How can I understand your logic? Basically you're saying he should have stuck with what he had and attempted 4th place. We badly needed a huge overhaul and Ole's been the only manager since SAF to have the balls to do it.

 

[Bobcat]

@AFC NimbleThumb . Well, no one knows what transfer targets he lined up this summer and regarding Sancho i think that was mostly paper rumors. As i said, i dont know but i think its reasonable to assume he (Ole) wanted especially Lukaku replaced. Why we did not though could be a myriad of reasons. Right target not available? Glazers wanted to trim the wage bill before new additions were made? Ole thought going into the season with 4 attacking players would suffice?

 

[romufc]

It’s not just the Champions League football, it’s the manager, Woodward, how team has performed this season, how we’ve performed last 7 in comparison to every other one.

If someone was reluctant to sign for us last season they are going to be even more reluctant now. It’s ok saying wait for right player but that player doesn’t necessarily wait for us. There has to be a balance between not panic buying and not allowing team to go backward or even stand still.

I don’t think there are many Utd fans who would believe Ole if he said he’s going to win league in two years, I doubt any players would.

So Ole was not the manager when we signed Maguire, Bruno, AWB? or the manager when Rashford renewed his contract?

How did Poch manage to sign Son, Moura etc..?

Well lets have a look who Lampard attracts in the summer because he is no more proven than Ole. Don't say their management / structure is up there cause they make mistakes like we do too.

 

[Judas]

Over a year in charge, bad squad management, no style implemented, tactically questionable, going backwards results wise. Aye yeah far too early to judge.

 

[romufc]

Utter bullshit. The idea that we have to go backward to go forward is an excuse for Ole's incompetence. You even go further to use the two best managers in the world as examples and just shoot yourseld in the foot.

Pep in his first season took City from 4th position they got under Pellegrini the previous season to 3rd. The following seasons he won the Pl twice. Where is the step backward to go forward? Klopp in his first season took Liverpool from 12th to 8th. Next season to 4th. The next season to 4th and champions league final. The next season to 2nd and champions league winners. Where did they take a step backward to go forward. Pochettino took over Tottenham who came 6th under Sherwood. He took them to 5th to 3rd to 2nd. Where did they have to take a step backward to go forward? Conte has taken inter from 4th in their previous season under spaletti and are currently 1st. Where is the step backwards???

We are looking at a full season, where Klopp took over a team that finished 6th and then finished 8th. But I guess you can put that against me because Ole took over a team that finished 2nd.

Can you go have a look at the backward steps Inter took before Conte came in? the backward steps Liverpool took before Klopp came in?

People like you think success is instant is rubbish, you have to build to success.

 

[romufc]

Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.

Exactly, the thing is that everyone is looking at Liverpool, CIty and even Inter saying look how their manager has brought them where he has, but no one sees the pain they went through.

There clearly seems to be a different direction to one we took before, players who want to play for the club.

I dont see him being long term either but, you can see him trying to do something and has United at heart. He could easily have said I want this player this player but no he says if we can't get him we wait.

 

[Siorac]

We are looking at a full season, where Klopp took over a team that finished 6th and then finished 8th. But I guess you can put that against me because Ole took over a team that finished 2nd.

Can you go have a look at the backward steps Inter took before Conte came in? the backward steps Liverpool took before Klopp came in?

I'm sorry, are you now saying we should fire Solskjaer so the next manager will be successful? We already had plenty of pain before him so that requirement should be fulfilled by now.

Seriously, you haven't just moved the goalposts, you've relocated the entire fecking stadium to a different country.

 

[elmo]

Just judge him by what he says he wants to achieve and you'll realise he's fallen short of all of them.

 

[Roboc7]

So Ole was not the manager when we signed Maguire, Bruno, AWB? or the manager when Rashford renewed his contract?

How did Poch manage to sign Son, Moura etc..?

Well lets have a look who Lampard attracts in the summer because he is no more proven than Ole. Don't say their management / structure is up there cause they make mistakes like we do too.

Well if Chelsea have Champions League foot all that will help. I don’t know what you are trying to dispute, it’s just a fact the club will be less attractive to players then last summer.

An unproven manager who has had a bad season, less points, further from top, no champions league football again (maybe no Europa). Do you think those are selling points?.

 

[romufc]

I'm sorry, are you now saying we should fire Solskjaer so the next manager will be successful? We already had plenty of pain before him so that requirement should be fulfilled by now.

Seriously, you haven't just moved the goalposts, you've relocated the entire fecking stadium to a different country.

LVG and Jose were not brought in for rebuilds, they were brought in for exactly what you wanted which is to win and that did not work out.

So the club decided lets take a step back and actually build something for the future rather than look for instant success.

Call it what you like, but this squad that has been mismanaged and lack of results deeded to be changed.

 

[Siorac]

LVG and Jose were not brought in for rebuilds, they were brought in for exactly what you wanted which is to win and that did not work out.

So the club decided lets take a step back and actually build something for the future rather than look for instant success.

Call it what you like, but this squad that has been mismanaged and lack of results deeded to be changed.

None of that changes the original point of this discussion: that the likes of Klopp and Guardiola (or indeed Conte at Inter) did not take their club backwards in terms of results before improving. They all improved immediately. That doesn't mean instant success, mind you - just instant improvement, various degrees of it.

 

[romufc]

Well if Chelsea have Champions League foot all that will help. I don’t know what you are trying to dispute, it’s just a fact the club will be less attractive to players then last summer.

An unproven manager who has had a bad season, less points, further from top, no champions league football again (maybe no Europa). Do you think those are selling points?.

I don;t get it you say poor manager at first, then you say CL is a requirement?

So how is it less desirable than last year? We didnt have Champions League football last year.

You do realise there is more than like 10 players available? Players like Grealish would join this club regardless of Cl next season because if you sell it correctly.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

@AFC NimbleThumb . Well, no one knows what transfer targets he lined up this summer and regarding Sancho i think that was mostly paper rumors. As i said, i dont know but i think its reasonable to assume he (Ole) wanted especially Lukaku replaced. Why we did not though could be a myriad of reasons. Right target not available? Glazers wanted to trim the wage bill before new additions were made? Ole thought going into the season with 4 attacking players would suffice?

We’re about to do the age old RedCafe thing & go back then forth about something we can’t actually know.

What I can say is he made comments about being happy with the squad at the beginning of the season; the retorte will be, “what else is he meant to say” - so let’s park that one.

I’d then go on to say he was an idiot to sell a 20+ goal a season striker [last season was a mess for Lukaku he’s returned to form in a massive way this season] regardless but even more stupid for [apparently] sanctioning the sale without having a definite replacement lined up.

I don’t know that the Glazers wanted to trim the wage bill; I also can’t tell you if he was happy with ‘4 attackers’ - What I can say is he said he was but as has been discussed already he makes some questionable comments.

You mention the ‘right target’ line. We’re currently starting Andreas Periera at RW if the club are telling me that there is not a gettable & by some margin better player in the transfer market available then we might as well close as a football club - I’m no scout so before you ask I’m not here to reel off names but if I was employed to scout players and was unable to identify a RW better than Periera in 2 transfer windows I’d expect the sack.

Coaches don’t always get their targets; even SAF couldn’t & I no doubt he’d quite like Ronaldo, De Bruyne & van Dijk so I don’t think any fans are upset we’re not challenging Liverpool this season - we can argue over speculation but Id much rather discuss the situation we have where week on week a £200m+ defence concede goals & our current managers is generally winning 1 league game a month.

The defence that OgS is responsible for all the good in the transfer market & Woodward all the bad just doesn’t hold weight for me & many others.

 

[Roboc7]

I don;t get it you say poor manager at first, then you say CL is a requirement?

So how is it less desirable than last year? We didnt have Champions League football last year.

You do realise there is more than like 10 players available? Players like Grealish would join this club regardless of Cl next season because if you sell it correctly.

It’s all a factor, you don’t think how this season has gone has any impact?. We’re going backwards it’s not a good quality. The club didn’t intend to go backwards, this season isn’t part of the laughable three year master plan to win the league under Ole and Woodward.

I’m not saying we can’t sign anyone but it’s just common sense that the worse things are going the less attractive an option the club is.

 

[romufc]

It’s all a factor, you don’t think how this season has gone has any impact?. We’re going backwards it’s not a good quality. The club didn’t intend to go backwards, this season isn’t part of the laughable three year master plan to win the league under Ole and Woodward.

I’m not saying we can’t sign anyone but it’s just common sense that the worse things are going the less attractive an option the club is.

It is all a factor, but that is if you want to sign certain players. I think the club always knew that things could get worse before they get better, especially if you trim the squad down.

We are for the first time since Fergie left at the bare bones and can say certain players will be the core. Maguire, AWB, McT, Rashford.

The one we might miss out on is Sancho. Other than that who are we targetting that wants to come purely on CL football?

Honestly, I would rather sign a Grealish than Havertz. We just have to go about the recruitment the right way.

 

[devilish]

It is all a factor, but that is if you want to sign certain players. I think the club always knew that things could get worse before they get better, especially if you trim the squad down.

We are for the first time since Fergie left at the bare bones and can say certain players will be the core. Maguire, AWB, McT, Rashford.

The one we might miss out on is Sancho. Other than that who are we targetting that wants to come purely on CL football?

Honestly, I would rather sign a Grealish than Havertz. We just have to go about the recruitment the right way.

I think one of United's biggest issues since Sir Alex started his decline was that United had been lead by the manager's ideology rather then what we need to do to return to our best. We saw Sir Alex refusing to deal with super agents and going full English proven talent which saw us not getting the likes of Moura, Hazard and co while losing the likes of Pogba for free. Then Moyes came in and went for the ridiculous (Fabregas etc) only to have to settle with his tall man from Everton and some player Chelsea wanted out. LVG stepped in and brought a horde of players to the club most of whom were either his own ex players (Valdes, Bastian) or Dutch players he fancied (Blind, Depay etc). Then Mou came in and brought in players who were either his former players (Matic, Lukaku) or had his mate Mino as their agent (Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Pogba etc).Finally we've got Ole who brought us back to the EPL proven players ideology which saw us blow 130m on 2 decent but hardly WC players. Leicester must be laughing their way to the bank as there's no way Maguire is worth 80m.

United need to bring in people at board level who understand football very well and can challenge the manager if needs be. There also need to be a certain criteria on how players are signed or who should be given contract extensions. For example CBs who aren't good in air shouldn't be signed in the EPL. Same with injury prone players (ex Bailly), players of a certain age (Sanchez, Matic, Bastian, Valdes, Falcao etc), wingers with zero pace (ex Mata) or players who simply don't want to be with us. The manager might sulk for months but certain red lines should never been crossed.

 

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It is all a factor, but that is if you want to sign certain players. I think the club always knew that things could get worse before they get better, especially if you trim the squad down.

We are for the first time since Fergie left at the bare bones and can say certain players will be the core. Maguire, AWB, McT, Rashford.

The one we might miss out on is Sancho. Other than that who are we targetting that wants to come purely on CL football?

Honestly, I would rather sign a Grealish than Havertz. We just have to go about the recruitment the right way.

I have no idea who we are targeting and neither do you. It’s just a fact that the worse the team is, worse than manager is etc etc the less attractive joining is. Some will be put off some won’t.

It’s very unlikely that getting worse would have even been considered or in any way part of the plan.