The second round of the Spanish flu was very deadly but it didn't last long simply because it was killing its victims before they had chance to spread it. They also had no idea what it was or how to stop it spreading back then.Yeah, that's why I was comparing to the Spanish flu but I forgot about secondary infections causing so many deaths. What worries me the most about RNA viruses is there are already drug-resistant copies out there, even before the drug is developed. At least that was true with HIV and small molecule inhibitors. Vaccines may be a little different. Judging by the flu vaccine, I guess it will be the same scenario.
No, I meant they're surviving from the lockdown.I work at an international forwarding company, and our business is hugely impacted. Hardly anything is going to or leaving China. We also start to have huge stock problems for IT equipment.
Sigh. IF it spreads as much as flu it kills 10-30 times more. It would be nice if it didn't spread as much.Why are people getting so hysterical about this?
The flu kills thousands every year and we never get this fuss.
For the vast majority of people, you feel a bit shit for a few days, you move on.
Fear of the unknown and the media making this seem like a doomsday scenario. We haven't seen much testimony from survivors because they would probably make it seem like a damp squibWhy are people getting so hysterical about this?
The flu kills thousands every year and we never get this fuss.
For the vast majority of people, you feel a bit shit for a few days, you move on.
I tried explaining this to someone who was trying to claim it was not a problem. They didn't grasp it! There have also been some alarmingly high death rates for people with certain underlying illnesses. Wasn't diabetes something like 7%?Sigh. IF it spreads as much as flu it kills 10-30 times more. It would be nice if it didn't spread as much.
Than this hysteria:Fear of the unknown and the media making this seem like a doomsday scenario. We haven't seen much testimony from survivors because they would probably make it seem like a damp squib
They bring out a flu jab in October/November before the 'season' commences, so it should not take that long to produce something t combat this, then everyone can get back to normal.Sigh. IF it spreads as much as flu it kills 10-30 times more. It would be nice if it didn't spread as much.
I tried explaining this to someone who was trying to claim it was not a problem. They didn't grasp it! There have also been some alarmingly high death rates for people with certain underlying illnesses. Wasn't diabetes something like 7%?
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdfMortality increases with age, with the highest mortality among people over 80 years of age(CFR 21.9%). The CFRis higher among males compared to females (4.7% vs. 2.8%). By occupation, patients who reported being retirees had the highest CFRat 8.9%. While patients who reported no comorbid conditions had a CFRof 1.4%, patients with comorbid conditions had much higher rates: 13.2% for those with cardiovascular disease, 9.2% for diabetes, 8.4% for hypertension, 8.0% for chronic respiratory disease, and 7.6% for cancer.
Oh dear. My post isn't hysteria. For an accountant you don't seem to be very good with numbers. Flu kills about 0,1%, a bit less probably. Corona probably 1-2%, not enough data yet (both probably less, because there are many undiagnosed cases). It is very likely it will be pandemic. What we do not know yet is, how many would be infected in that scenario 10%/30%/60%? Not enough data. But we can do scenario analysis. It might still be contained and it will end up as a side note like previous viruses. Or it might be 20 times worse than flu. I think it makes sense to prepare in sensible ways. I wash my hands more often now and have been short on the stock market since last Friday. No need for panic from anyone of course.I'm more inclined to believe this:
Than this hysteria:
They bring out a flu jab in October/November before the 'season' commences, so it should not take that long to produce something t combat this, then everyone can get back to normal.
I think the not enough data yet is the salient bit of this post. I'm going to go against this pandemic assesment and say it will all be gone within 1-2 months once the sun comes out.Oh dear. My post isn't hysteria. For an accountant you don't seem to be very good with numbers. Flu kills about 0,1%, a bit less probably. Corona probably 1-2%, not enough data yet (both probably less, because there are many undiagnosed cases). It is very likely it will be pandemic. What we do not know yet is, how many would be infected in that scenario 10%/30%/60%? Not enough data. But we can do scenario analysis. It might still be contained and it will end up as a side note like previous viruses. Or it might be 20 times worse than flu. I think it makes sense to prepare in sensible ways. I wash my hands more often now and have been short on the stock market since last Friday. No need for panic from anyone of course.
The hypertension one is a worry. How many people are on that list without knowing it!
Well, what will be will be a hell of a lot worse if everyone takes that attitude.What will be will be.
Dude, he rationalised the problem with a fairly scientific take on it, and you basically said "Nah, I choose to believe it's all just hysteria."I'm more inclined to believe this:
Than this hysteria:
They bring out a flu jab in October/November before the 'season' commences, so it should not take that long to produce something t combat this, then everyone can get back to normal.
Indeed, especially if those taking such attitude are the leaders whom we've placed above us to act, and protect the population in times when most needed.Well, what will be will be a hell of a lot worse if everyone takes that attitude.
Other than the media, who is really overreacting though? I’d say nation responses have been fairly balanced. It’s not like anyone has totally closed their borders.I just can't stand overreaction to stuff.
As there will be with anything. Think of how many people have vulnerable grandparents in this country though of whom they love very much. Pretty sure nobody would want to lose them.I just can't stand overreaction to stuff.
An awful lot of people are comparing it to flu and have done particularly before we've had much dimensions on the difference in the hopes of trying to understand what we're going to be coping with if it becomes personal.i wish people would stop going on about how the flu is more deadly. They don’t put entire cities on lockdown for the flu, and not nearly enough is known about this virus. I do think that the main concern for a lot of people is the potential for it to shut down cheap labour factories in quarantined towns/cities, bringing production to a halt for a lot of big companies.
They don't go out much, tbf.As there will be with anything. Think of how many people have vulnerable grandparents in this country though of whom they love very much. Pretty sure nobody would want to lose them.
Not many probably do but I happen to have a grandfather who is 90 years of age who still drives and likes to get out of the house. So there will be a fair few still. Think most will be catching it through family members anyway tbh.They don't go out much, tbf.
Everything will be an overreaction until it becomes uncontrollable, at which point we'll have been negligent. No matter what you decide in such circumstances you're gonna get criticized from one side or another.Better to overreact to a potential disaster, than playing it down.
Can we let Billy Blaggs make one post so we know he's fine?To think, somewhere in the US, a man by the name of Billy Blaggs is probably dying to tell us how he's currently got it.... for the second time
It is something new, but the spread of min-information and conspiracy propaganda just escalates the situation further than it needs to be when the reality of it is pretty clear. Its a new virus that likely originated from hygiene negligence and the epidemiologists of the world are trying their best to figure out the best way to contain it, which I am sure they eventually will.An awful lot of people are comparing it to flu and have done particularly before we've had much dimensions on the difference in the hopes of trying to understand what we're going to be coping with if it becomes personal.
For myself I'd like people to stop scaremongering whilst making idle guesses. Be a lot more helpful if when pronouncing statements they could back it up with some data or links to firsthand knowledge. Perhaps, but we're all coming to grips with something new aren't we?
Yet you're the one overreacting by claiming everyone else is overreacting.I just can't stand overreaction to stuff.
Nothing is clear yet. The infection rate, whether you can get it more than once, to what extent it could mutate, how long before a commercial vaccination is viable etc. etc. etc.It is something new, but the spread of min-information and conspiracy propaganda just escalates the situation further than it needs to be when the reality of it is pretty clear. Its a new virus that likely originated from hygiene negligence and the epidemiologists of the world are trying their best to figure out the best way to contain it, which I am sure they eventually will.
I find that bizarre (obviously coming from the UK I have no experience of your situation) because surely it's a Societal issue. Surely it's in the best interests of government and community to test suspect cases?Apparently if you don't have insurance, the cost of testing in the US is $3000. Take into account that the vast majority of uninsured are in low paying service jobs where they will be in contact with the public and Americas tradition of guilting employees to come into work... They are fecked.
But how will they make money?I find that bizarre (obviously coming from the UK I have no experience of your situation) because surely it's a Societal issue. Surely it's in the best interests of government and community to test suspect cases?
Oh you wait, it will be in the humanist interests of the US, UK and Nato to send a peacekeeping expedition to the Middle-East as soon as they have a couple of dozen infected.But how will they make money?
Won't somebody think of the money?!
I’m calling BS on this. Surely the first British person died thousands of years ago?First British person has now died from coronavirus.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...coronavirus-uk-news-update-cases-latest-live/
I'm a Brit Oates, I'm just as baffled as you mate.I find that bizarre (obviously coming from the UK I have no experience of your situation) because surely it's a Societal issue. Surely it's in the best interests of government and community to test suspect cases?
