The DNC wouldn’t have any influence on this. It would be Warren’s call on what she wants to do (which would logically be to endorse Sanders).
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I'm not saying it's a huge conspiracy, but I am saying this is what people with access to the inside (like journalists) are suggesting happened. In any case, I'm not sure I buy your analysis. I don't think there was any reflected glory to be had here. As soon as the other moderates dropped out, it was all about Biden, 24/7. I think the incentive for the moderates was staying on the good side of the Party, for the future.
Not sure if this was mentioned/discussed yet but with Governor Whitner of MI endorsing Biden ahead of the MI primary it seems like Bernie is likely to be dead in the water now. She is a very popular element in the party now as is evident from them allowing her to respond to the SOTU and could see many in MI to change their intended vote from Bernie to Biden now (including absentee voters). Before this and given the results in MI for Bernie last time I'd have given him a shot and while he will stilldo well - people are now actively being reminded that Biden of course was VP when the White House stepped in to "save" the auto industry. Even so I'm not sure if Biden spent much time in MI so far which seems odd. I know Bernie has rallies in Grand Rapids and Detroit.
I am struggling with the logic as well. Anyone with eyes could see if you added up the split moderate votes they were getting in poll after poll they were eating their own strength. Its just common sense to consolidate. They didn't have to make major policy compromises cause they were in the same lane. They wanted the same things pretty much. I don't see the "nefarious" conspiracy in making the strategic decisions to consolidate. They were broke even Biden barely had enough money to contest. Only Sanders and Bloomberg self funding were in decent shape. Biden won states Tuesday he didn't even have an office or spend money in because he couldn't afford to and had to be strategic with spending.
They had absolutely nothing to gain continuing to drive with flat tires and no gas. Finding something shady in obvious decisions? I mean were they just supposed to keep trudging along and hand Sanders the nomination with no fight?
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Well yeah, it kind was - though not the party, getting in good with the presumptive nominee. I think this is a fundamental thing that separates the two sides. To Sanders this is a terrible thing to do because compromising is a huge no-no, to moderates compromising is how you get some of what you want instead of none of what you want. Buttigieg dropping out early can leverage himself to a stronger position with Biden. Push some of his policies, probably get a role with him. Warren and Sanders should have worked this out as well.
It's why progressives almost always fail. Had Sanders and Warren been pragmatic back at the start of February when she clearly wasn't a viable candidate she could have leveraged herself into a strong position with him. That didn't happen for one reason or another and now they'll both pay the price for it. The moderates were willing to compromise and will likely be rewarded for it.
I'm not so sure Warren would have helped him win texas. I give you Mass and maybe Maine though.
Then how was your post a relevant reply to mine?
Disagree, I think it will be coordinated. I'm not talking in conspiracy terms either it just makes sense at this point to do whatever will help the party's chances in November.
do the same for warren, she didn't even match pete's numbers and she did worse than amy in NH.
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A few months back someone said that the crowded field is perfect for the establishment, I thought they were wrong. Anyway here is the theory -
By giving voters different things (Obama nostalgia and an electable old white man, Obama but gay this time, a woman progressive with the plans and not the shouting, a young black woman lawyer, and whatever Klobuchar appeals to, you take away as much of the non-committed bloc as possible. As soon as the elections start and a frontrunner emerges, they unite. At that time, it looked like they'd unite behind Biden or Warren.
This didn't happen so I thought, yup, I was right and this theory was wrong, this was too much chaos for the establishment. But the reason it didn't happen was becausethe first two states chose the wrong guy, the one who had the least chance of beating Bernie with non-white voters. That's why the Clyburn endorsement and then the single day of unity, just before voting. And Pete has done his job by denying Bernie the Iowa headline, and Warren by denying him a very crucially times endorsement. So maybe the theory is true, IDK.
because people were angry with her for her decisions since late Jan and responded in that way, and the damage done by those responses is insinificant compared to the damage done by her choices.
The first point makes sense. Biden's tuesday's victory will definitly have an impact on what's coming. Still, we don't really know what might happen in the next two weeks. Not a lot of people predicted Biden's surge. So let's see.
It's crazy how people are swayed not by the platform that they believe in, but the hype each condidate gets at a certain point.
I am pretty sure that a majority of voters don't have a clear idea of what each candidate stands for.
If Warren had any sense of humour she'd endorse Tulsi.
This is veering far too much into conspiracy territory. Buttigieg's entire tactic was to win Iowa and/or New Hampshire and leverage the press from that into gaining support. Unfortunately for him the chaos of Iowa became the story and Bloomberg's late entrance into the race dominated a lot of February so he didn't get the media bounce expected. His tactics were merely what Obama's were back in '08. He didn't get the nationwide bounce though so he dropped out. There were many candidates precisely because there was no obvious favourite so a lot of people chanced their arm. Naturally those who weren't getting anywhere drop out pretty swiftly.
I can't speak for why Warren hasn't dropped out yet but it speaks to my post that moderates willigness to compromise is why they almost do better than progressives.
She has.
Hubris. They clearly got swayed by the polls and big win in Nevada and thought anti-establishment message was enough to keep the campaign going.
Thing is, one week ago this would have been the opposite of what was happening. The only reason Bernie was the front-runner in the first place was because the moderates didn't play nice with each other. By all rights, there should not have been this many candidates around almost up until Super Tuesday. You're painting a very pretty picture of progressives who are unable to cooperate and moderates who are pragmatic and cooperative, putting it neatly into your theory of "why progressives almost always fail", but the evidence so far in this campaign hasn't matched that at all. The only time it has matched it is right now, when there's clearly been some pressure behind the scenes.
I also disagree that this has more to do with Biden than the party. It probably does have something to do with getting in the good graces of Biden, but Biden alone couldn't organize this. The Party (capital P) was definitely involved.
The same could be said for Klobuchar. These people have other political priorities (such as buying themselves a bit of leverage for potential VP slots etc).
It was not about strategy. Donor class on whom Pete and Amy will rely on in future, directed them to consolidated when they did. They do not have same sway over Warren. As per some section of the press, it was Obama who got that pressure put on Pete and Amy.
Would Warren have given Bernie a boost by endorsing him before super tuesday? Undeniably yes. Is she obligated to take one for the team to ensure Bernie's success after not winning a single state and contesting in just 4? I would say no. It would be as idiotic as someone saying Sanders should have stepped down for the progressive cause after the heart attack.
I have no idea what Sanders campaign did to engage people like Warren and Clyburn but the best way to get Warren to drop out is not by tweeting snakes and hurling abuses at her.
Of course, but you speculating that DNC was definitely involved to get Warren not to drop out to hurt Sanders is a bit of a fantasy. She may endorse Sanders and maybe you'll call her a Salamander instead of a snake
They were competing to see who could be the frontrunner prior to Super Tuesday then coalesced behind the one who had the best chance. Neither Klobuchar and Buttigieg cracked the minority support so they dropped out for the candidate who did. The amount of delegates on offer before super tuesday is so minimal they are basically just a chance to get the frontrunner tag but essentially meaningless in the amount of delegates on offer. They waited until all signs were dead and dropped out before doing serious damage to a preferential candidate.
Progressives will fail again and again and again while they continually fail to learn the lessons of the primaries. Sanders has had 4 years(!) to focus on building bridges instead or ramping up rhetoric against Democrats, he didn't, he had 4 years to expand his base to older (particularly black) voters, he didn't, he had 4 years for him and Warren to come to some sort of agreement knowing they would split the vote, they didn't.
This post mortem hindsight 20/20 analysis is getting boring to be honest
Your explanation is way too neat, and it just doesn't fit the actual events of the campaign. You've got an idea of how it works (or should work), and you've made the events fit it. We're going around in circles, so I'll just leave it at that.
feck sake, I'd visit him with a beer keg but he's in Colorado at the moment
Yes, I look forward to 4-8 years time when AOC or whoever the chosen ones campaign is fails again and instead of an iota of introspection, all the blame goes to the shadowy DNC for the crime of......not running 5 moderate candidates so the progressive can win with 25% of the vote.
The amount of endorsements that Biden has had and the dropouts coordinated with Super Tuesday has certainly been coordinated. No organic momentum spreads that way. Whether Warren should have seen the picture and dropped out to consolidate the lead to Sanders is a difficult question to answer. Supporters of Bernie Sanders laying the failure somehow on Warren for splitting the vote is entirely comical.
It could be coordinated with Biden, but that’s politics. People routinely cooperate with one another to advance one another’s interests.
Nope. He has tweeted mostly against Biden, and almost has shown sympathy towards Bernie.
Fox has gone in full attack mode against Biden too. I think it is clear that Biden is the only candidate that Trump and GOP fear. Especially now that somehow he managed to get a very high turnout in primaries.
A year too late though.
I highly doubt Warren or any sensible politician makes their decision based on a few mean tweets. If being called a snake really gets to her, she has no business being a politician let alone President. Bernie and Obama for example got called far worse things than snake.Would Warren have given Bernie a boost by endorsing him before super tuesday? Undeniably yes. Is she obligated to take one for the team to ensure Bernie's success after not winning a single state and contesting in just 4? I would say no. It would be as idiotic as someone saying Sanders should have stepped down for the progressive cause after the heart attack.
I have no idea what Sanders campaign did to engage people like Warren and Clyburn but the best way to get Warren to drop out is not by tweeting snakes and hurling abuses at her.
Of course, but you speculating that DNC was definitely involved to get Warren not to drop out to hurt Sanders is a bit of a fantasy. She may endorse Sanders and maybe you'll call her a Salamander instead of a snake
On the premise that the DNC really really hates Bernie, which is as clear as day, it’s not out of the question they wanted her to stay. Observe her actions. Lying about her Native heritage. Hiring Clinton people. Bringing up non-verified gossip from two years ago to damage Bernie’s image. Backing off medicare for all. Pointlessly attacking Bernie in debates and in numerous speeches. And with literally no path to victory, stayed through ST. Remember who advises her. Clinton people are fecking sociopathic.
Edit: salamanders are cool!
Listening to Warren .She does seem to be leaning towards Bernie.
People here know full well that the GOP conspires heavily for Trump, but Democrats, no — they would never do such a thing because they only play fair. This is the vibe I’m getting from some here.
by strategy i meant winning early in iowa/nh and strengthening from there. bloomberg's strategy was super tuesday only. and yes, donors, party, their own commitment, whatever it was, i admire it. once more i will look longingly at a photo of amit shah and pray they make a leftist version of him sometime. someone who understands and uses power.
That's not how it worked Jules.
folks twitter doesn't matter.
Bingo!!!
this is actually an attack on me, a warren supporting twitter user who is being invisibilised. i like bernie's plans but he can't control his followers, how will he control the country? #bluewave2020 #biden2020
That’s because Trump has seized complete control of the Republican Party and declared martial law. No such construct exists on the Dem side.
Clyburn gets money from healthcare companies. Do you think if Bernie's team did reach out to Clyburn he would have endorsed?
This Monday night quarterbacking is getting annoying.
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