SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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The considered response by our government is both sensible and rational. There is no useful purpose served by panic-driven, over the top, measures.

I doubt that anyone seriously expects this virus to be killed: we are just going to have to get used to living with it. There is certainly a benefit to managing the peak so that it occurs during the warmer months, and is more spread out, and that is what the current strategies are designed to achieve.

There will be more time lost to sick days as a result of this virus, but hopefully the absences will be spread out over an extended period and not completely cripple businesses (unlike enforced shutdowns of workplaces and schools introduced as a panic measure).
Unless of course, the summer doesn't do anything to the virus. It affected its closest cousin (SARS) a bit, and it just didn't affect its second cousin (MERS) at all (in fact, MERS originated in Saudi Arabia during the summer when it is over 40 C). And then we get 20-60% of the world population infected, tens of millions dying (more die if there is not adequate medical support, which won't be if the numbers get high). And the businesses will be crippled with that many sick people.

I think a lot of people are missing the point, and having a fundamental problem of not understanding exponential functions. Yes, at the moment the risk of dying (or even getting sick) is very low. Heck, you're more likely to die from flu (it kills 400k per year or 100 times more than this virus). But the number of infected people is growing exponentially. It took 3 months to reach 100k, it would take 6 days from now to reach 200k, 12 days to reach 400k, and a month to reach 1 million people. 3 months to reach one billion. Of course, it is not gonna be like this thanks to the massive efforts of China who bought a lot of time to the world, but in other countries, it is still going exponentially, and that is extremely worrying.

Even a very optimistic scenario is saying that 20% of people will get it (the forecasts are saying 20-60%), and if we assume a mortality rate of 0.65% (South Korea), that kills 10m people (as much as flu would kill for the next 30 years). The death rate will be higher, cause the medical system won't be able to support these many people. If we go for the worst-case scenario (60% infected, the mortality rate of 3.5%, like WHO is saying) then 160 million people are gonna die from it within the year. That is more than in both world wars combined.

No panic, just another flu, we will get used to it, and I hope that my stocks don't lose value!
 

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I'd really like to know how someone in there 70's, who was 'very unwell, and with 'significant health issues', has become exposed to a virus that has such low numbers in this country so far.
I was thinking the same. Has there been any word on whether or not they had the virus before going to hospital ?
 

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I don't disagree what's happening in Italy is terrible - but it ignores "why Italy"? Aside from the obvious and having many elderly folks - that excuse seems to simple. Perhaps access to timely and proper healthcare support plays a factor for instance. The issue isn't the virus as much as it is the response to it. At some point it will be impossible for most of us to not catch it. Just like the flu. No amount of sitting at home is going to make it disappear. Look at the flu - there is a reason the shots are trivalent or quadrivalent - I. E. H1N1 is still around - despite all the efforts taken to try and fight it. And that's WITH a shot available.
My theory is that the answer to the question of "why Italy" is mere randomness.
 

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I was thinking the same. Has there been any word on whether or not they had the virus before going to hospital ?
Other than the bit I posted they just said contact tracing had begun.
 

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More people die from the flu every year than being poisoned from eating raw badger arsehole, but I'm certainly going to avoid tucking into a big chunk of Bodger's buddy if I can get away with it.

Sure, more people might die from the flu but that doesn't mean DEATHBUG300-SARS-Covid-19 is any less of a danger, nor does it mean that its overhyped. If anything it shows that we don't take the common flu serious enough.
Some of you are so afraid of adding a little culture to your life.
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

A lot of it is based on very limited date globally. While the death rate appears to be high it's too early to say how it compares to the regular flu which kills many many more each year. There is no shot for the virus but even with the flu it's a complete crap shoot given the many mutations out there. The issue is with the lack of testing and proper care - so far I am not seeing anything to indicate it's simply because this is a virus that's so much more dangerous than any other for your average semi healthy human being.

Also : https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/
I must have said this hundreds of times now, China doesn’t shut down its economy, build hospitals in 48 hours and weld people’s apartment blocks shut for the goddam flu!
 

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More people die from the flu every year than being poisoned from eating raw badger arsehole, but I'm certainly going to avoid tucking into a big chunk of Bodger's buddy if I can get away with it.

Sure, more people might die from the flu but that doesn't mean DEATHBUG300-SARS-Covid-19 is any less of a danger, nor does it mean that its overhyped. If anything it shows that we don't take the common flu serious enough.
Damn right. Sometimes I just want to reach out over the net and give people a good shake
 

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Unless I'm very confused, this particular virus has absolutely no bearing on the world's immunity to influenza right?

We're still very likely to have a flu pandemic in the coming years?
 

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I must have said this hundreds of times now, China doesn’t shut down its economy, build hospitals in 48 hours and weld people’s apartment blocks shut for the goddam flu!
At the very least China is no stranger to imprisoning its population and building tons of massive buildings in next to zero time without regard for safety or need.
 

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Unless I'm very confused, this particular virus has absolutely no bearing on the world's immunity to influenza right?

We're still very likely to have a flu pandemic in the coming years?
It is not related at all to flu viruses (H5N/bird flu1 and H1N1/pig flu/Spanish flu are somehow related to human flu). It is related to common cold viruses (as this virus, and 4 viruses that cause common cold are all coronaviruses) but as far as scientists seem to know, having a cold/flu immunization won't boost your chances when it comes to covid-19.
 

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Unless I'm very confused, this particular virus has absolutely no bearing on the world's immunity to influenza right?

We're still very likely to have a flu pandemic in the coming years?
Yeah, this is more akin to viral pneumonia as far as I know.
 

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It is not related at all to flu viruses (H5N/bird flu1 and H1N1/pig flu/Spanish flu are somehow related to human flu). It is related to common cold viruses (as this virus, and 4 viruses that cause common cold are all coronaviruses) but as far as scientists seem to know, having a cold/flu immunization won't boost your chances when it comes to covid-19.
And vice versa?
 

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Thanks the Lord! Why oh why this was not done one or two weeks ago? Why the feck they were expecting, that suddenly the pasta would become a poison to the virus?

Why the other countries are not doing the same, when clear as day they will do so in 2-3 weeks?
 

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Madrid is heading for a lockdown surely.

+200 cases today
 
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Thanks for back handedly insulting my intelligence like your bro earlier. You could have said everything without the first part, no?
Well if you say something idiotic, expect to get called an idiot.

A lot of people in Italy shared your opinion early on, going around flaunting regulations and advice and thinking it was all being overblown. Then it progressed to 'what if we are wrong' but still a bit of pride that you know better than everybody else. Now people are getting genuinely scared as its appearing in every town and every village in the country and people are realising they should have taken it more seriously earlier on.

Do you know how the UK’s timeline maps on to that? Are we witnessing the similar growth?
The UK is on a slightly better timeline currently. France and Germany are on the same path, and Spain is truly fecked. I also expect the US to be in a bad state once they stop trying to hide it.
 

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Holy hell
If that's true, how is anybody going to head out for food and supplies? How are visitors going to make their daily visits to frail elderly?

It can't be as much of a blanket ban as that tweet implies, but as yet I can't see anything on the BBC.

Edit: found it.

It's just a ban on any kind of large gatherings. BBC article.

Why the feck we don't have that here already is beyond me.