SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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can we please stop with the world is over posts? i mean, christ. i can't imagine what this thread will be like in about a month's time.
If the progression rate holds we only get a million infected by then. (A billion infected in three months.)

Emphasis on the 'if the progression rate holds' part.
 

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can we please stop with the world is over posts? i mean, christ. i can't imagine what this thread will be like in about a month's time.
Do you think the world is going to be over in about a months time?
 

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I was in Poland but we had no where to go. Everything was closing even our hotel then all flights were cancelled so we could have been stuck and not being able to go anywhere. We had to get out of the country by midnight. Flew back from Germany last night. I’m just glad to be home. British Government did nothing. We didn’t receive any emails from Ryanair or Easyjet about cancellations and they won’t refund most people. Won’t be using Ryanair ever again, so many people were left stranded because of them. I suppose it’s the price you pay for ‘cheap’ flights.
Christ, glad you made it back in the end.
 

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Even those who wrote the paper don't make those conclusions. All they write is "We note that social distancing interventions were invoked on Feb 23rd in Lodi but until March 8th in Bergamo, providing some empirical evidence for the potential of “flattening the curve” interventions." That is it and they move on to other things. On Twitter meanwhile they caution against people drawing the conclusions that they want to draw.

You're comparing a small provincial town a third of the size of a regional tourist hub with the third biggest international airport in all of Italy. If this is the best you've got for employing immediate lockdowns, you don't have anything.

People need to be reading the source papers and comments from the highly respected academics who are producing this research, rather than the highly confident, more marketable and often more eloquent, rent-a-mouths and social media influencers taking their research and using it for their own purposes, which culminated with the absolute car crash interview between on John Edmunds and Tomas Pueyo on Channel 4. It's too easy to cherry pick this data, make a nice Twitter feed or Medium article, and make a highly polished, but entirely flawed, read that would be torn to pieces academically and shouldn't be used for policy making.

This is serious, interesting research, but it;s already being misrepresented.
That chart thinks that is what is being compared, but it's not. The lockdowns on 23 February comprised of 10 towns within the province of Lodi, about 50,000 people. In Bergamo the vast majority of cases have come from a small valley North of the city, home to about 50,000 people. The comparison is actually quite valid.
 

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Seems Macron has denied the rumours. We’ll see though.
The rumour is indeed fake but it could happen, the reason you know that it's fake is because the report mentions "phase 4" which would actually mean that "phase 3" is relaxed and it's from a fake website. Macron will speak tonight.
 

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UK increase in confirmed cases in last 24 hrs 171. encouraging that it’s a decrease on yesterday. I know it’s probably a one off but any downward trend if only for a day is a bonus. More interesting that we have tested over 44k which is well up with the numbers being tested elsewhere In the West.
 

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Well as per sky the new UK numbers are 1543 which is 171 above yesterday. Government hadn't confirmed this yet but it's interesting that Saturday and Sunday has seen less cases actually
 

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UK increase in confirmed cases in last 24 hrs 171. encouraging that it’s a decrease on yesterday. I know it’s probably a one off but any downward trend if only for a day is a bonus. More interesting that we have tested over 44k which is well up with the numbers being tested elsewhere In the West.

Even on Saturday it was 232 which was lesser than Friday so I am not sure how significant it is but at least not a jump
 

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Well as per sky the new UK numbers are 1543 which is 171 above yesterday. Government hadn't confirmed this yet but it's interesting that Saturday and Sunday has seen less cases actually
I wonder if it jumps up high tomorrow. Having spent miserable months in hospitals over the past couple of years, you see how little happens over the weekend..
 

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And Liverpool won't win the league so it will all be worth it :drool:
As horrible as the outbreak is, the timing is incredible.

It's like the virus waited for the exactly the right season (a historic points total), after exactly right string of results in the cups (enough to make the PL even more important for the scousers), and exactly the right point in the league calendar (just two games away from guaranteeing the title).
 

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Ridiculous fear mongering post.
Well if the virus can circumvent the body's natural immune systems, it will be HIGHLY unusual lets put it that way.

But relax, I didn't say there's sufficient evidence of this being a reality.
 
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As horrible as the outbreak is, the timing is incredible.

It's like the virus waited for the exactly the right season (a historic points total), after exactly right string of results in the cups (enough to make the PL even more important the scousers), and exactly the right point in the league calendar (just two games away from guaranteeing the title).
Ignoring the tragedy of it (which is horrifically awful), it's absolutely crazy - it trumps the slip 100 times over. Out of two cups in a week, lose their unbeaten run and BAM - potentially no title! Madness, you'd feel for them if most of their fans weren't, so, ... :lol:
 

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Keeping fingers crossed that the number of deaths has remained unchanged. No info yet one way or the other.
 

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Hi. Trucks can leave Poland normally I think, they will have to wait a bit to return though so companies may be reluctant to send them. My friends company is sending trucks all over Europe (he has about 50 cars) so I can ask him about availability if you wish.
 

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Girlfriend ended up calling the GP because of her symptoms not quite matching up and was told it is not corona but another virus and that there's no need to self isolate (although she will anyway).

Not convinced that's good news tbh. At least she could have gotten Corona out of the way!
 

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Well if the virus can circumvent the body's natural immune systems, it will be HIGHLY unusual lets put it that way.

But relax, I didn't say there's sufficient evidence of this being a reality.
I don't think it's that, it's just this virus seems to go away for a bit, then come back once you think you're better. Loads of people have said they felt unwell for a few days then got better, then had another drop off.
 

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Have 3 confirmed cases in our hospital now. They've picked a ward that will now be considered the "Covid Ward". Feel sorry for the nurses there - not what they signed up to when they applied for that ward but there we go. Getting my mask fitted on Wednesday, but the massive clear error is that we don't actually get to wear these masks until we're dealing with a confirmed case.

A friend of mine worked the weekend and a story is going round that a gentleman was sat in A&E for about 4 hours, in midst of other patients and relatives. He came in for a very unrelated medical problem to the Covid-like symptoms, but medical enough that it warranted a transfer to a nearby hospital for specific treatment. Before he left, they realised he had complained of cough for a few days. They "on the safe side" swabbed him for Covid-19. Didn't wait for the results. Sent him in an ambulance, and before he's even arrived the swab results come back positive for Covid19. So already you have the huge incidents of having a Corona positive patient sat in middle of an A&E waiting room for 4 hours in middle of other people, the medical staff (doctors and nurses) who were dealing with him unsuspecting that he's got it and then transferring him in an ambulance to another hospital where now they will have to a very quick plan to where to isolate him while trying to actually treat his initial medical problem too.

All of our electives are cancelled. We're just standing around looking after the post-operative patients from the last few weeks at the moment.

Already plans for new "dirty rotas" which will see people do 1 week of nights, 1 week of 12 hour shifts, 1 week off, 1 week of ward work, rinse and repeat.

Whether some (I'm going to say it) ignorant people don't believe the hype of all this or not, the butterfly effect of this is going to be vile on the NHS.
I've told my 60 odd year old parents to stay in doors now - order food online etc.
 

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I don't think it's that, it's just this virus seems to go away for a bit, then come back once you think you're better. Loads of people have said they felt unwell for a few days then got better, then had another drop off.
Dunno if I actually had it or not, but 2 weeks ago was absolutely floored with fever, then by the weekend was practically fine again, and then the following week (and up until now) just been feeling tired and pretty crappy with a persistent cough.
 

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So its pretty clear in my town that parents have pulled their kids from school. Drove through the town on the way to physio and kids were everywhere, McDonalds was rammed at half2.

Why pull your kids from what is likely the 2nd safest place they can be (home in isolation os obviously first) and take them into town mingling with thousands of unknown people?

Jesus i cant understand how stupid people are.
 

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Dunno if I actually had it or not, but 2 weeks ago was absolutely floored with fever, then by the weekend was practically fine again, and then the following week (and up until now) just been feeling tired and pretty crappy with a persistent cough.
Unless we're unlucky enough to be hospitalised most of us will never know whether we had the disease or not. I'm now self isolating as a friend I have who I spent most of the weekend with me has precisely the described symptoms but she won't be tested unless her asthma causes complications and therefore I'll likely never have confirmation one way or the other.
 

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Hi. Trucks can leave Poland normally I think, they will have to wait a bit to return though so companies may be reluctant to send them. My friends company is sending trucks all over Europe (he has about 50 cars) so I can ask him about availability if you wish.
I managed to find truck for this week, but I'll see about the next one what will happen. Drivers are scared because they don't want to end up in 14 day quarantine that's the problem.
 

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This is pretty crazy from The Guardian in a country of 5 million or so

An estimated 140,000 people have been laid off in Ireland since emergency measures to combat coronavirus were introduced four days ago, according to national broadcaster RTE.

This is a combination of 70,000 restaurant workers, 50,000 pub and bar staff, and around 20,000 crèche and childcare workers. it reported.

This is a huge shock to the economy and triple them monthly unemployment numbers in the 2010 crash and possibly gives a glimpse of the consequences to come if the UK’s follows EU countries and moves to close schools and introduce curfews on restaurants and bars.

The minister for social protection said they had 20,000 applications for benefits on Friday alone.