SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Deery]

The worse news has happened today, brace yourselves, Eastenders has suspended filming due to Corona Virus.

 

[2cents]

The worse news has happened today, brace yourselves, Eastenders has suspended filming due to Corona Virus.

You think that’s bad? Bono’s after recording a song for Italy.

 

[Deery]

You think that’s bad? Bono’s after recording a song for Italy.

God save us.

 

[Massive Spanner]

God save us.

No it's probably called "Bono save us"

 

[Deery]

No it's probably called "Bono save us"

 

[Fiskey]

I honestly cant believe there was not some plan behind an out break like this, we have had Ebola, SARS, MERS, Swine flu, Bird Flu in recent times and while they were relatively mild on a world scale surely it was inevitable at some point this probably would happen.

I can totally see the problem in dealing with this, some people saying lock everything down, some people saying the UK is doing the right thing. I feel there is no right thing, clearly the elderly and people with a week immune system are the people we need to be conceded for so rightly we need to be focussing on the NHS o treat the sick and for the ones who are yet to get this need to basically do as they are told. Clearly there is a massive hit to the economy with lockdown, if its sustained for even a few months the damage going forward will be huge and will effect the next generation massively. The banks will not wait forever and the people getting laid of will be signing on and at some point. People saying even caring for the economy at this point are heartless are wrong, we need a balanced approach to this.

I completely agree. Paradoxically, if you prioritise immediate health over longer term economics there is a good chance you reduce overall health outcomes over the next 10 years.

I think the issue on this board is that so many people think we live under a corrupt government and corrupt system they feel as if the money can be easily recovered from "the rich" once this is over and our public services will not suffer. I don't think that this is true, and I think we have stored up huge problems for ourselves by damaging the economy to this extent.

 

[TMDaines]

Antibody tests can be cheap to make but they won't be sold for $1. I'm more curious about cost and willingness to pay for the actual vaccine though.

There will be no better investment any country can make in the near future than creating a vaccination programme for this disease. Any country not doing that won't be worth living in.

 

[Fiskey]

So you do disagree with how China have overcome this? You think they should have lost way, way more lives instead?

If China don't get it back, this is valid. Until we know that you can't say they've overcome it.

 

[Tomuś]

How does blaming any single nation helpful to what's at stake?

Where have I suggested it does? Simply they probably have more important issues to worry about than imagined racism.

 

[senorgregster]

Also recall the draconian measures china took compared to our feeble attempts.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Feds’ 100-page coronavirus plan warns it will ‘last 18 months’ and cause ‘critical shortages’: report

Don't take this literally. It's a risk management technique called scenario analysis that looks at worst case situations to help organizations deal with once in a generation type problems.

 

[Volumiza]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

The thought is around 9 days but in the right conditions 28 days.

That's scary! I received a large shipment from a company we deal with based in China just after this broke big news. When I emailed to receive the shipment I was told by a European colleague cc'd into the mail that the Chinese company had all been closed due to infected workers.

I left the boxes for about 4 days before opening and unpacking (lots of plastic containers in zip bags).

 

[PoTMS]

The amount of 70+ year olds going to non-urgent non essential private clinic appointments is baffling. Somehow they all think they're not gonna be affected by it.

 

[17Larsson]

We provided her with an iPad and we must have shown her how to use it 20 times and she couldn’t even swipe right on the screen to open it. We gave her a mobile phone, she turns it off to save battery even when we tell her constantly to leave it on and have it in her pocket. She’s of the generation that neither understands the technology or wants it and that creates massive problems in this situation. In other words she has helped herself over the years and sadly it’s too late to change that. I am tempted to buy one of those Facebook screens as that can’t be too difficult for her to press the screen to accept a call. Never thought I would buy one!

TeamViewer would do the trick for you. I have a grandmother with a similar skill set in technology and she just calls me asking for the audiobook to be played, connect to the bluetooth speaker, turn on the podcast etc. and I just log on to her tablet and do it remotely. It's brilliant

 

[Smores]

The amount of 70+ year olds going to non-urgent non essential private clinic appointments is baffling. Somehow they all think they're not gonna be affected by it.

My nan who has chronic bronchitis and needs dialysis every other week along with her fella who just last year caused an emergency landing due to breathing difficulties thought it would be a good to go to the isle of wight on Monday

It's like they've got a death wish.

 

[OutlawGER]

My 3 year old daughter seems to have it (or the flu).

Dry cough and fever for 2 days now. 2 hours ago we messed 39,3 fever. Worrying.

 

[dwd]

My 3 year old daughter seems to have it (or the flu).

Dry cough and fever for 2 days now. 2 hours ago we messed 39,3 fever. Worrying.

She will be fine even if she does have it, don't panic.

 

[Massive Spanner]

My 3 year old daughter seems to have it (or the flu).

Dry cough and fever for 2 days now. 2 hours ago we messed 39,3 fever. Worrying.

Sounds like it, yeah

Luckily it's not threatening for children, in general. Just keep yourselves and her the feck away from people for 2 weeks.

 

[OutlawGER]

Sounds like it, yeah

Luckily it's not threatening for children, in general. Just keep yourselves and her the feck away from people for 2 weeks.

Yeah, we are self isolating since yesterday. Unfortunately we live very central in Cologne, so the odds are high that it might be Covid-19.

 

[Grinner]

My nan who has chronic bronchitis and needs dialysis every other week along with her fella who just last year caused an emergency landing due to breathing difficulties thought it would be a good to go to the isle of wight on Monday

It's like they've got a death wish.

my mum just sneaked out without telling me where she's going. Probably off to see some mates or something. How the feck am I supposed to get through her thick fecking skull about this?

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Glastonbury cancelled.

 

[Tarrou]

my Aunt is taking no precautions whatsoever and saying stuff like "if its my time its my time" but still insists on visiting my parents (they're 70) and the rest of my family

its so bloody frustrating

 

[PoTMS]

my mum just sneaked out without telling me where she's going. Probably off to see some mates or something. How the feck am I supposed to get through her thick fecking skull about this?

Same with my dad. He's been given paid leave off work which you'd think he would stay at home but mum tells me he's been out the house without saying where's going or to do odd jobs. We've had a word with him previously but I don't know what more to do?

 

[Grinner]

Same with my dad. He's been given paid leave off work which you'd think he would stay at home but mum tells me he's been out the house without saying where's going or to do odd jobs. We've had a word with him previously but I don't know what more to do?

only thing is to say that maybe you don't care about getting it but what if you give it to me and I die?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Glastonbury cancelled.

Shock!

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Don't take this literally. It's a risk management technique called scenario analysis that looks at worst case situations to help organizations deal with once in a generation type problems.

It's pretty consistent with what all experts are saying around the world regarding the duration.

 

[Massive Spanner]

my Aunt is taking no precautions whatsoever and saying stuff like "if its my time its my time" but still insists on visiting my parents (they're 70) and the rest of my family

its so bloody frustrating

Yeah my parents are nonchalant as feck about it, same sentiment as your Aunt. It's incredibly annoying. I guess they've both lived through a lot of hard times so who can begrudge them wanted to make the most of what they have now .. or something .. the dopes.

 

[Dancfc]

We need to get over this peak period and then all go back to normal. If we carry on in lockdown for months on end then there will be a whole new set of issues for us all. It's sad that we're going to lose people but that's unfortunately how cruel life can be at times. We have to best protect the vulnerable as much as we can and the rest of us have to keep working and carry on as much as is humanly possible.

Lockdowns aren't even guaranteed to work either. As soon as some of these nations in strict lockdowns come out of it they could get a whole new wave for all we know. Eventually everyone is going to have to crack on.

Very much this! I've been trying to say similar for nearly two weeks but couldn't word it correctly without sounding insensitive so didn't bother.

What people don't seem to factor in is long term austerity and the breakdowns/suicide's from being stuck indoors will cost a lot more lives than this virus would in the long run, if this is a long or even medium term thing some sustainable balance being found is beyond crucial.

 

[sullydnl]

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[Sarni]

I'm fairly sure we won't be glued to our homes for the next 18 months. Anything beyond 3 months is unsustainable and even 3 months sound difficult to achieve.

 

[Arruda]

Second death in the country was a big banker (Leader of Santander Portugal).

No one is safe. Better like that. Otherwise authorities would be slower. Their life is on the line too.

 

[Volumiza]

Glastonbury cancelled.

Wow, that's a big move! The right one but brave nonetheless.

 

[Tarrou]

Didn't Glasto only announce the line-up 6 days ago?

 

[FootballHQ]

All music will be off, I go to Download festival which is usually middle of June and waiting for that to be cancelled.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I'm fairly sure we won't be glued to our homes for the next 18 months. Anything beyond 3 months is unsustainable and even 3 months sound difficult to achieve.

That would destroy economies and society dead I'd expect. There may be a dip in summer so restrictions would be lifted whilst we brace for the predicted peak next winter.

 

[golden_blunder]

it's still not really happening though. I drove past Blanch center yesterday, loads of people walking in and out. I know there's a Dunnes in there but I didn't see many shopping bags on them.

Blanch is a hot-spot of morons at the best of times.

2 days ago we wrapped ourselves up, with masks and went for a short walk in the local park to get some exercise.

We only encountered 2 other people, an older couple. We were on a bridge so we stood to one side waiting for them to pass. There was plenty of space between us and the other side. When they got near us they veered to our side and almost rubbed shoulders with us, that’s how close they came. feckin morons

 

[FootballHQ]

Near impossible to keep people in if we hit a heatwave in May or June. Will be bad enough over Easter which was pretty nice last year.

Have to hope the slowing up of everyday life in next 6-8 weeks will be enough at least to have the NHS cope.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Near impossible to keep people in if we hit a heatwave in May or June. Will be bad enough over Easter which was pretty nice last year.

Have to hope the slowing up of everyday life in next 6-8 weeks will be enough at least to have the NHS cope.

If we turn out like Italy with elderly people being left to die in makeshift hospitals with no contact from their families and dead bodies not being collected from homes for days, then I don't think there'd be much appetite for sunbathing against government orders. You'd get thrown in prison for it too by then.

 

[Grinner]

If we turn out like Italy with elderly people being left to die in makeshift hospitals with no contact from their families and dead bodies not being collected from homes for days, then I don't think there'd be much appeptite for sunbathing against government orders. You'd get thrown in prison for it too by then.

They really need to be showing footage of that round the clock to convince these stupid fecking cnuts what it's going to be like here.

 

[Carolina Red]

Assumptions;

- if you get it once you can't get it again

to help us move closer to herd immunity?

1) I've not seen anything saying that. Actually, the only reports I've seen about that have been about people believed to have been infected again.

2) Not enough is known about the human immune response to Covid-19 to assume that will work.

Also...

I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire
William Hanage

We talk about vaccines generating herd immunity, so why is this different? Because this is not a vaccine. This is an actual pandemic that will make a very large number of people sick, and some of them will die. Even though the mortality rate is likely quite low, a small fraction of a very large number is still a large number. And the mortality rate will climb when the NHS is overwhelmed. This would be expected to happen, even if we make the generous assumption that the government were entirely successful in restricting the virus to the low-risk population, at the peak of the outbreak the numbers requiring critical care would be greater than the number of beds available. This is made worse by the fact that people who are badly ill tend to remain so for a long time, which increases the burden.

And of course you can’t restrict it to this age group. Think of all the people aged between 20 and 40 who work in healthcare, or old people’s homes. You don’t need many introductions into settings like these for what we might coyly call “severe outcomes”. In Washington State, nearly all the deaths reported so far have been associated with nursing homes. Is everyone in a high-risk group supposed to withdraw themselves from society for six months until they can emerge once the (so far entirely imaginary) second wave has been averted?

About that second wave: let me be clear. Second waves are real things, and we have seen them in flu pandemics. This is not a flu pandemic. Flu rules do not apply. There might well be a second wave, I honestly don’t know. But vulnerable people should not be exposed to a virus right now in the service of a hypothetical future.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...st-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19