I'm currently in Washington (Tacoma). Up north in Seattle and surrounding King/Snohomish co. is where it's hurting the most but we just had first death in my county not too long ago so it's continuing to take a turn for the worse here as well.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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He was actually a politician. A member of European parliament, representing the UKIP party.
According to the article below, he left UKIP (known as one of Britain's most right wing parties) because it had become too 'politically correct'.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-it-is-too-politically-correct-9792465.html
Why am I not surprised 
Damage has been done imo, we'll see by next weekend where we're at. That's the whole point of this virus, it's not a 24 hour killer, it takes several days before it starts to actually hit you hard. We won't know how effective the lockdown has been until Tuesday/Wednesday.
Well, whoever decided to talk about Herd Immunity needs putting on the naughty step. I honestly don't know anything about this, all i've done is read a few articles with differing opinions from English and International people and it seems we made a bad error following that philosophy. But these are unprecedented times for our country and we were fecked whatever action we took and it's extremely difficult juggling our economy with saving lives. I just feel gutted for our NHS staff that must be going through hell right now in the badly hit areas. Those are the people that our Government should support as best they can, not just now but the following months/years.
Yeah sorry just a bit sick of it all. Usually had a read of the Caf to cheer me up even at Utd’s expense at times.
Guess it was an escape at times and didn’t mean any bad feeling I would just like a bit more positivity as maybe there are people alone who after reading stuff will not want to venture out at all even for a spot of fresh air.
Jaysus. Thanks for the update.
Spain though
Demanding a return to the good old days whilst using modern technology. Hmm.
This is what I have been saying all along, it will be the idiots that kill us all in the end. I agree with everything you are saying, there are simply too many people not taking this seriously.
An idiot at work said to me today that this will blow over within the next fortnight
this is what we are up against.Sounds like our plan is to have an X amount of doctors in at once, then have the rest on “standby” for when they inevitably get the Covid. Then swap out. Rinse and repeat.
Why is bringing doctors out of retirement a thing? They're more susceptible to the virus right?
Is there any particular reason to take note of Portugese news anchors - and is it acceptable for Portugese news anchors to offer an opinion on something? Strange comment.
Hope you're all feeling well soon mate.
Don’t worry man I know you’re busy right now, to say the least!
This just came up on my twitter feed btw:
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It's risk that might have to be taken I suppose. They could save multiple lives but risking their own.
I don’t think that’s what NHS staff signed up for though is it? Helping people yes, but putting your own life at significant risk- not so sure. It’s important that as this progresses that this is not automatically assumed and almost forced upon NHS frontline staff.
Young and fit healthcare professionals have actually died from this virus, as they are exposed to high viral counts- especially those who are performing intubation.
I meant it as an (admiteddly poor) illustration that the general opinion around here is that things in the UK are a far greater mess than here and your government is acting slower.
Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance
What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time
Very good article on comparative policies, choices and decisions. Governments need to be held accountable -- its not like there wasn't any advance warnings or even a pandemic playbook.
Containment and Communication/Education is standard fare for anyone with an MPH/MPA degree and yet... some political leaders decided to do a light touch on containment --- and then went straight into mitigation, a choice that has multiplier costs effects.
What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time
Very good article on comparative policies, choices and decisions. Governments need to be held accountable -- its not like there wasn't any advance warnings or even a pandemic playbook.
Containment and Communication/Education is standard fare for anyone with an MPH/MPA degree and yet... some political leaders decided to do a light touch on containment --- and then went straight into mitigation, a choice that has multiplier costs effects.
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Ominous.
the idea is for them to take over day to day tasks freeing up usual staff to focus on corona no?
OK, so my country (SA) will probably go into lockdown mode within a couple of weeks. At the moment just the hand sanitizer, masks and vitamin C are sold out. We have stocked up on a few things, but to those already in lockdown:
What do you wish you bought when you had the chance?
What do you wish you bought when you had the chance?
If you are a gym person, get gym gear. It's selling out here.
Thanks!
The side effects of this are going to be insane. Isolation and economic issues are necessary/unavoidable at this point. It will cause so many problems with mental health (I was already at a low point but now even worse) and suicides.
Also the people who can no longer get medical help because their issues are no longer priority/as important. But those could lead to deaths. A lack of medical equipment means there genuinely may be a point where doctor's have to choose who to save.
The geopolitical fallout could be huge as well. Finger pointing maybe down the line, some countries failing economically etc.
To get the economy back up and running to the levels we need I imagine will be tough (I don't know much about how it works so could be wrong)
Either way, I can't now see this being blown over and be nothing more than a pub quiz question in 2 years like hoped.
Also the people who can no longer get medical help because their issues are no longer priority/as important. But those could lead to deaths. A lack of medical equipment means there genuinely may be a point where doctor's have to choose who to save.
The geopolitical fallout could be huge as well. Finger pointing maybe down the line, some countries failing economically etc.
To get the economy back up and running to the levels we need I imagine will be tough (I don't know much about how it works so could be wrong)
Either way, I can't now see this being blown over and be nothing more than a pub quiz question in 2 years like hoped.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. - Yoda
I'm now turning to the philosophies of Buddhism. I will aim to let go of all my desires and attachments. That is how I will remain calm. I won't always be able to do it, but so far it has brought me some peace.
I'm now turning to the philosophies of Buddhism. I will aim to let go of all my desires and attachments. That is how I will remain calm. I won't always be able to do it, but so far it has brought me some peace.
Ah, yes. Yoda. The famous Buddhist philosopher.
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Looks like a crucial moment for Ireland, whether we rapidly increase numbers or keep the increase steady. The graphs are eerily similar.
That will be some of the reasons the cases exploded there and Spain. Italy had tested about 30k tested early March with 3k-4k cases and 100-200 deaths. We have that rate out of 66k tested
The UK death toll is worrying and stacking up the same. We don't have the explosion of cases per tested but have worse healthcare, near bottom out of 40 countries for beds and possibly poorer health. I'd hope the deaths level off but it seems despite the different culture, less old people and less living with the family the virus will reach them in other ways in care homes and family visits to grandparent homes and older people just going out. Most European countries have a dismissive nature of this virus and won't wear masks, something that is greatly helping other Asian countries not even have an outbreak or greatly contained it.
The other hope is antiviral meds come in to play soon but all the testing and success in treatment is outside Europe. Seems to be ventilator and death in Italy/Europe from what the doctors have said at the hospitals.
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This makes sense. There has been widespread complacency about a virus that is known to be highly contagious in a global economy that sees millions of people passing through airports every day. The best question all along would have been "How can it not spread?" instead of "Will it spread?", and the virus did have a lot of time to spread before countries even considered the possibility of its arrival.
Testing itself was very inadequate because it not only failed to give a good representation of the number of people who were infected but continued to give a false sense of security to populations in the meantime, allowing the virus even more precious time to spread even further.
We decided to leave Ethiopia for Denmark very quickly the other day and are now quarantined in some friends' summer house. So that's pretty good.
Basically we were strongly encouraged to apply for telecommuting from our home country, furthermore the internet is more stable here, so it should be more productive.
The thing is now we don't know when we'll get back to Ethiopia.
Anyway, I spoke to my brother yesterday, who's a medical doctor. We have it under control so far, we've set up a number of emergency intensive care units and are educating 240 med students and nurses in treating ventilator patients before Easter. Usually ~40 are educated in a year. My brother has gotten some time off from his ER posting to help with the education of these students.
He said a crucial difference between e.g. Italy and Denmark is that we've been fairly lucky so far with who's been infected, i.e. patients have been younger and we've managed to hide some of the vulnerable away before it got to them.
I asked him about whether anyone has looked at our ventilator capacity and estimated whether we have enough. He said we should have but if push comes to shove we train our personnel in manually ventilating people, which they apparently don't always do in e.g. Italy. So he thinks we have it under control so far.
Basically we were strongly encouraged to apply for telecommuting from our home country, furthermore the internet is more stable here, so it should be more productive.
The thing is now we don't know when we'll get back to Ethiopia.
Anyway, I spoke to my brother yesterday, who's a medical doctor. We have it under control so far, we've set up a number of emergency intensive care units and are educating 240 med students and nurses in treating ventilator patients before Easter. Usually ~40 are educated in a year. My brother has gotten some time off from his ER posting to help with the education of these students.
He said a crucial difference between e.g. Italy and Denmark is that we've been fairly lucky so far with who's been infected, i.e. patients have been younger and we've managed to hide some of the vulnerable away before it got to them.
I asked him about whether anyone has looked at our ventilator capacity and estimated whether we have enough. He said we should have but if push comes to shove we train our personnel in manually ventilating people, which they apparently don't always do in e.g. Italy. So he thinks we have it under control so far.
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well I’m impressed by the effort of this post.
what I take offence at was your original post “I feel sorry for people like you”, it’s utterly misguided, argumentative and pointless.
The challenge we have with all of this is that there a counter argument for everything, amd which can be found on mainstream as well as other media.
for example:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Have we over egged the response?
no one is going to know with any sort of clarity what strategy would have/ could have/ was the most appropriate action until way after this and we can take stock and analyse it.
it’s a little futile to be dishing out criticism left right and centre.
also interesting is the demographics on the site. It can feel like a big echo chamber - which we saw with Brexit, and unreflective of the wider society. An a direct example, I am a member of several business forums, and the response has been overwhelmingly positive to the actions that the government has taken, from owners of business of all sizes. The concern at the moment is for the self employed/ sole trader/ businesses without premises (I.e e-commerce).But I expect further support for these groups to announced in the near future.
I don’t understand why you need to use rhetoric like fecking/arse/paddle - it derails what should be a useful point of view and perspective. It’s unnecessary.
You have made false assumptions that I am ignorant of what’s going on/ unaware of how this will affect my businesses/ future revenue streams/ ability to conduct my business and relationships with my customers.
Get boxes/packs of tissues, hand soap, disinfectant and/or bleach for your home (you'll find you're cleaning more often). For vitamins, anything that boosts your immune system, such as vitamin D3 and Echinacea. If you home-bake, stock up on flour - it was one of the few things that sold out here in Italy at the beginning.
If you have pets, get plenty of pet food in so you don't have to worry about that - I only realised the other day that I was low on both the dried foods our dogs have. If there's anything you particularly like to eat that can be frozen or is tinned, get it now. I'm running out of strawberry Cornettos.