SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

ivaldo

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So can anyone provide a link or de facto information regarding the 80% wage contribution? Who precisely gets it? If someone is in isolation and can no longer do their job remotely, will they be entitled?
 

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Any truth to that whatsapp video claiming that drinking alcohol (having alcohol in the blood), repeals the virus somehow?
Alcohol can work as a disinfectant but I think you need over 60% to kill the virus so it would probably kill you if you drank 60% pure alcohol
 

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Alcohol can work as a disinfectant but I think you need over 60% to kill the virus so it would probably kill you if you drank 60% pure alcohol
I mean, if the virus crawls down your throat, wouldn't mind to have some regular wine poured down to keep it nasty for the fecker.
 

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We're actually exactly where Italy was, spookily similar. It's worth pointing out that Italy suddenly hit a horendous increase in deaths from this point onwards, so hopefully it won't be the same in the UK.

UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
France Dates​
France Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 2nd​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 3rd​
4​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 4th​
4​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 5th​
7​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 6th​
9​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 7th​
16​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 8th​
19​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 9th​
30​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 10th​
33​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 11th​
48​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 12th​
61​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 13th​
79​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
March 14th​
91​
March 21st​
233​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
March 15th​
127​
-​
-​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
830​
March 16th​
148​
-​
-​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
--March 10th631March 21st1,378March 18th264
At this point Italy had only tested 42,062 at that stage. UK tested 72,818 plus.

On March 11th, Italy had tested 73,154 with 12,462 confirmed cases and 827 deaths.
 

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I mean, if the virus crawls down your throat, wouldn't mind to have some regular wine poured down to keep it nasty for the fecker.
Wine is 12-14% ABV. Hand sanitisers need to be 60-70% to be effective.

The alcohol concentration required to kill the virus would also kill the human.
 

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Most of the recent focus in the West has been on Italy, Spain and France. So I thought I'd take a bit of time to look into the situation in Iran.

It's nigh on impossible to find anything in English that isn't politically motivated (usually either anti-US or anti-Iranian).

For what it's worth: 20,000 cases and 1,500 deaths. It's a humanitarian disaster that deserves to be acknowledged as more than just a political pissing contest.
 

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USA has the about the same number of cases as Spain but 1/4 the deaths
From what I read its usually an average of 17 days from detection (or is it infection?) to death, so that number for the USA could very well spike.
 

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USA has the about the same number of cases as Spain but 1/4 the deaths
Probably more testing and the first patients in earlier stages. Also US population is younger in average and other several variables
 

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Also going to my local sainsburys and Iceland, I see the same people working there as before. Aren't these guys super exposed to picking up the virus? Masses of people walking by them in 1m wide aisles..

I know they have a basically essential job to do, but I can't help but feel like they're endangering themselves and possible even others if they have it and are asymptomatic. Strange times we live in when a shopping trip could be potentially hazardous.
 

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NY state has a 41% jump from yesterday ( it has been averaging around 35-40 for almost a week now).
 

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@SnowRoll if I bother reading through that blog would you at least confirm to me I will find info on these arrested doctors, etc. It seems interesting, but the first entry added nothing to my knowledge, in fact it just reinforced what I said. Local mistakes (the sort more likely to happen in a country like China, I admit), but very questionable difference in the end result. No country in the world would enforce a lockdown and declare a pandemic so quickly based on the opinions of a few doctors. Methods may be different (silencing vs ignoring them) but this has happened all over the world, not just China.

I also struggle with the "China did x" unless you're looking at the Central Government and their policies.

Would it make sense to say "US has hidden x" based on the actions of a random Governor of a random state, specially when these actions were not validated by the Federal government?

There is a strong anti-China bias surging me, and it concerns me for two things:
- It's bad on it's own
- It will not allow us to properly adress the issue that most directly relates to us, in our countries. Who the feck is leading us, where, and how? When this is all over, who will stand to trial for the negligent deaths?

I care nothing about China's human rights issues or wether they're a beacon right now. I care about their concrete actions in this specific instance. And what they've done was accidently create an outbreak, study it, learn to contain it, and share all this information witg the west.

Will they be due reparations? I'm not an expert on international diplomacy, but I would have no qualms with that. What concerns me is using them as a scapegoat, which is a quite different thing.

My sources are, in many cases, the same as yours, which is basically everything. There are, for example, rather consensual (and well sourced) timelines of the events in google, wikipedia, etc.

Most of them include what went wrong and the incongruencies from the Chinese. But, after studying them systematically, you get a very different idea than the one you get from studying random pieces of journalism specifically chosen to sustain a point you're already biased towards.
Thank you for a detailed reply, I appreciate you taking the time to explain yourself. It definitely makes a better discussion, than dismissing the various links I've provided as biased.

Just to make it clear, in my opinion, the Chinese scientific community did all it could in dealing with the virus (and still is). Just like doctors in the rest of the world, some of them make mistakes.
The issue is not with these types of actions. It is with the authorities silencing those professionals who raised the alarm as early as mid-November.
I haven't seen any western government threaten doctors not to publish their opinions. So, in that sense, the Chinese bare a lot of responsibility, beyond any mistake made by any professional or official.
I could be wrong, but to me, of all mistakes done since day one, the one silencing Chinese doctors has the biggest effect on the entire world. If we (the world) had another month or two to prepare for the pandemic, surely many lives would have been saved.

Since Wikipedia is a reliable source for you, please just take a quick look at these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Wen_(doctor)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xie_Linka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang#Whistleblower_in_2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China#Censorship,_propaganda,_and_police_responses

The first known infection by a new virus was reported in Wuhan on 1 December 2019. The early response by city authorities was accused of prioritising a control of information on the outbreak. A group of eight medical personnel, including Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist from Wuhan Central Hospital, who in late December posted warnings on a new coronavirus strain akin to SARS, were warned by Wuhan police for "spreading rumours" for likening it to SARS.[304][305]

By the time China had informed the World Health Organization of the new coronavirus on 31 December 2019, The New York Times reported that the government was still keeping "its own citizens in the dark"
 

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Alcohol can work as a disinfectant but I think you need over 60% to kill the virus so it would probably kill you if you drank 60% pure alcohol
Why would it? I have a 57% proof bourbon. There are many cask strength whiskies that bottled at 60+%. Rectified spirit is around 95%, possible but not recommended to drink undiluted.
 

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Do we have the US data City wise ? Infected cases ?
Not city-wise, but this is state-wise.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

And this is county-wise.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Here's every county with 100 or more cases:
StateCountyCases
New YorkNew York City
6,211​
New YorkWestchester
1,385​
New YorkNassau
1,291​
WashingtonKing
935​
New YorkSuffolk
662​
IllinoisCook
548​
WashingtonSnohomish
446​
New JerseyBergen
362​
LouisianaOrleans
352​
MichiganWayne
349​
CaliforniaLos Angeles
292​
CaliforniaSanta Clara
263​
New YorkRockland
262​
MichiganOakland
229​
MassachusettsMiddlesex
177​
FloridaMiami-Dade
169​
FloridaBroward
164​
New JerseyUnknown
151​
New YorkAlbany
140​
TennesseeDavidson
140​
CaliforniaSan Diego
131​
NevadaClark
126​
WisconsinMilwaukee
126​
ConnecticutFairfield
122​
LouisianaJefferson
116​
New JerseyMiddlesex
116​
New YorkOrange
111​
MassachusettsSuffolk
108​
New JerseyEssex
107​
MichiganMacomb
101​
CaliforniaSan Mateo
100​
 

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Sorry for my complete ignorance:

At the writing class I went to last week, a lady sat next to me & halfway through the class, she mentioned that she'd just returned from India after four weeks. Should I be worried about my health? Or hers even?
We have had very few cases in proportion to our population till now. Much lower than everywhere else. You'll be fine.

Unless she had a stop over in Europe or Dubai. Even then, your chances are small
 

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Fauci is in such an awful position. He's built his reputation over a lifetime and he's putting it on the line by balancing things to make sure he's staying in Trump's good graces and making sure his voice is heard.
 

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Sorry for my complete ignorance:

At the writing class I went to last week, a lady sat next to me & halfway through the class, she mentioned that she'd just returned from India after four weeks. Should I be worried about my health? Or hers even?
You were probably more of a risk to her than she was to you.
 

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The fake news is doctors being arrested. Not what happened with Li Weilang, which is very well documented.
Quote from Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang#Whistleblower_in_2019–20_coronavirus_outbreak

On 3 January 2020, police from the Wuhan Public Security Bureau investigated the case and interrogated Li, giving him a warning notice and censuring him for "making false comments on the Internet".[16] He was made to sign a letter of admonition promising not to do it again.[2] The police warned him that if he failed to learn from the admonition and continued to violate the law he would be prosecuted.[17]
I can only assume that the interrogation took place in a police station, and not at the hospital. If you don't want to consider that an arrest, that's up to you.
 

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It's weird McConnell as leader of Senate is nowhere in the priority list!
Floor leaders (in both Senate and the House) are not constitutional positions, so they are not in the line of succession (despite that in McConnell’s case, he is the second most powerful person in Washington).
 

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Why would it? I have a 57% proof bourbon. There are many cask strength whiskies that bottled at 60+%. Rectified spirit is around 95%, possible but not recommended to drink undiluted.
Are you talking about for disinfecting surfaces with it or disinfecting your bloodstream? Because it most certainly won't be 57% in your blood. And if it was you'd be dead, your body cant take more than about 0.25%.
 

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Are you talking about for disinfecting surfaces with it or disinfecting your bloodstream? Because it most certainly won't be 57% in your blood. And if it was you'd be dead, your body cant take more than about 0.25%.
For sure. I was responding to the post that said it would probably kill you if you drank 60% AVB. I took it as in drinking a 60% spirit.

"Are you getting hammered again? - Nah, just disinfecting my bloodstream" :lol:
 

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I read this paper and a few other ones involving the same drug. Seems at least promising. People are talking about the small sample size but within that lmitation, the result was dramatic.

Some version of this paper and an earlier Chinese paper examining the mechanism of action of quinone had made it onto an Indian whatsapp forward. As a result, stocks of quinone have disappeared from chemsts because of people trying to use it as a preventive medicine, even though both studies use it as a cure not prevention. I hope the govt steps in very soon.