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If the test is inaccurate it's a problem. Tests I think have a 75% accuracy if I'm not mistaken. At least that was the case 3 weeks ago.This is interesting.
Any downsides / negatives to this?
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The discrepancy with Israel is likely due to a much more extensive testing program.
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75%? I’ve not seen that, are the 25% false negatives or false positives?If the test is inaccurate it's a problem. Tests I think have a 75% accuracy if I'm not mistaken. At least that was the case 3 weeks ago.
I’d swerve this week but you will be ok to work on the empty terraced house.Ok heres a question for you guys . I,m in a bit of a dilema . Self employed and i work almost exclusively in peoples homes . I,m in a limited company so i qualify for very little help from the government , which is fine , i do understand . Currently the direction from the gov is to carry on work if you cannot work from home . This weeks job has cancelled as a close neighbour to where i was due to be working has cancer and i would have to walk through communal areas ( the apartment i was due to be working in is unnocupied )
Next week my customers are very keen to have me work for them and the two rooms i am working in are also unnocupied , also they have a spare bathroom i could use . The following week i.m due to be working on an outside of a house . Its in a terraced street and the customer is living in scotland for the duration of the pandemic so this house is also empty . Ive spoken to lots of other trades lads that more often than not lone work and they on the whole think we should follow the guidelines and work where possible .
What do you lot think ?
ps for clarity i,m in the UK
You don't. They're either working here without having registered for a National Insurance Number / GP, which would be really dumb as it takes about a day to get all that sorted, or they've simply gone back home to be with their families during this difficult time which is quite understandable.Don't you have to have any sort of insurance to be entitled to healthcare? I don't really have any idea how it works as I've never work abroad but I've heard this repeated multiple times.
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Feck knows. My wife works at a hospital and told me a few weeks ago their tests were only 75% accuracy. One of her patients was negative.. And after a retest she was positive. In that window lots of nurses and pharmacists were close to the patient thinking it was OK to be around them.75%? I’ve not seen that, are the 25% false negatives or false positives?
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Not really, they’re often lumped in with the rest. MENA would obviously be a more appropriate label.You don't find it strange to see Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria in the Middle East?
It's not perfect, but like i said upthread, the goal of this is not to totally stop transmission. It's to slow it down, and various protection measures such as gloves help that. Same goes for alcohol gel, its not perfect as it takes up to a minute to kill the virus and that only applies to areas that get properly coated.But it will find its way on the packaging. As soon as that person wearing gloves picks their nose or wipes their mouth or coughs into gloved hand
Gloves may stop you personally getting something on your hands but it sure as shit doesn’t stop the spreading of it
Edit: also, am I right about it lasting Hours or days on hard surfaces (gloves) and only 5-10 minutes on skin. I can’t find where I seen that Info now, there’s so much about.
What’s your thoughts on that
That doesn’t confirm an incorrect test, it could just suggest that the patient contracted the disease between tests.Feck knows. My wife works at a hospital and told me a few weeks ago their tests were only 75% accuracy. One of her patients was negative.. And after a retest she was positive. In that window lots of nurses and pharmacists were close to the patient thinking it was OK to be around them.
Might have improved since though.
Thanks mate , for clarity this is what the gov guidelines are :I’d swerve this week but you will be ok to work on the empty terraced house.
Different tests. You are taking about pcr for detection of virus. The Germans are talking about detection of antibodies.Feck knows. My wife works at a hospital and told me a few weeks ago their tests were only 75% accuracy. One of her patients was negative.. And after a retest she was positive. In that window lots of nurses and pharmacists were close to the patient thinking it was OK to be around them.
Might have improved since though.
It could, but is unlikely given they were hopsitalised in a ward segregated away from covid patients at the time. It could have happened but it's unlikely is all.That doesn’t confirm an incorrect test, it could just suggest that the patient contracted the disease between tests.
So has Tom Hanks caught it again?
Antibodies are produced after like 10 days after the initial infection. These antibodies test is quite different to the other PCR/RNA testing which can detect the presence of the virus almost from Day One onwards. The downside to PCR/RNA testing is that its very susceptible to human error. The swabs need to be done correctly when collecting the sample or it will skew the test results. Then the storage of the swab has to be stored correctly at a low temperature of like 4 degrees or below. Then it has to be delivered to the nearest lab, too long and the sample quality deteriorates.This is interesting.
Any downsides / negatives to this?
That's what France is supposed to be aiming for, large scale serology tests instead of the current virus tests.Isn't this what all countries should be aiming for? I'm really hoping that mass testing will be a thing after this first lockdown wave
Health service is free here.Nearly all Poles I know who work in UK have now returned home to get free medical help here if needed. They'll stay here until late May at least It kind of annoys me because they are the same people who look down at those living here permanently bragging about their amazing British salaries (usually inflating them by 50% minimum when speaking about it). Now all of a sudden they all feel like they belong here again because their amazing salaries is not enough to afford a basic medical package in England.
The antibody test has been spoken about consistently by the UK government (right from the infamous "herd immunity" press conference). It will be absolutely key for all countries to roll this out as quickly as possible, if they want to prevent their economies going into a serious tailspin.Isn't this what all countries should be aiming for? I'm really hoping that mass testing will be a thing after this first lockdown wave
Thanks. Do you know can these tests be used repeatedly or just once?Antibodies are produced after like 10 days after the initial infection. These antibodies test is quite different to the other PCR/RNA testing which can detect the presence of the virus almost from Day One onwards. The downside to PCR/RNA testing is that its very susceptible to human error. The swabs need to be done correctly when collecting the sample or it will skew the test results. Then the storage of the swab has to be stored correctly at a low temperature of like 4 degrees or below. Then it has to be delivered to the nearest lab, too long and the sample quality deteriorates.
The antibodies test kits, on the other hand, are POCT ie they are at the point of care where the blood is drawn from the finger, then drops of blood are then dropped into a self-contained cassette. Then you wait for 5-10 minutes for the result.
Less prone to human error/test accuracy but its antibodies so it basically tells you that you have it (or not) only after your body produces antibodies, which is like 10 days later.
Imo PCR kits which are more expensive but in theory more accurate, are for frontline workers and high-risk individuals.
The cheaper antibodies kits are better for those who have been home isolated/quarantined or those who live in rural communities. They as the professor has suggested, can do a self-test to find out if they have the virus, after 10 days or they have recovered and therefore can return to work. Plus if you are out in rural areas like in Souther Europe or 3rd World countries, the PCR's requirement for a lab will not be helpful.
Finally, the incubation period of the virus is at least 14 days. This means that if I pass the test/negative, it doesn't mean that I wont pick it up a couple of weeks or month later. So all of us if we want to contribute to the control of the spread of the virus, needs to be tested every 4-6 weeks. This is why eventually the costs of the test kits and their ease of use is critical until we find a vaccine.
You should do what you think is best. Construction hasn't been closed down and if you can maintain the 2m social distancing at all times there is no legal reason for you to stop.Ok heres a question for you guys . I,m in a bit of a dilema . Self employed and i work almost exclusively in peoples homes . I,m in a limited company so i qualify for very little help from the government , which is fine , i do understand . Currently the direction from the gov is to carry on work if you cannot work from home . This weeks job has cancelled as a close neighbour to where i was due to be working has cancer and i would have to walk through communal areas ( the apartment i was due to be working in is unnocupied )
Next week my customers are very keen to have me work for them and the two rooms i am working in are also unnocupied , also they have a spare bathroom i could use . The following week i.m due to be working on an outside of a house . Its in a terraced street and the customer is living in scotland for the duration of the pandemic so this house is also empty . Ive spoken to lots of other trades lads that more often than not lone work and they on the whole think we should follow the guidelines and work where possible .
What do you lot think ?
ps for clarity i,m in the UK
One time only.Thanks. Do you know can these tests be used repeatedly or just once?
To be honest mate (and as you know I can totally relate to your situation with your mum) you're her carer and within the legislation with regards to reasonable excuse assuming caring responsibilities for someone is an accepted purpose of travel. I would suggest if you can't take her out without a very short journey (make it as short as possible) and that not doing so will have an adverse effect on her health, do it. If you are stopped and explain the situation and your caring responsibilities I don't think any officer in the world would criticise what you're doing and the purpose of your very short, and I would argue essential, journey.See I have a problem, I've decided to live with my mum through this because she was already showing signs of going crazy before the lockdown happened. Where she lives is remote in the countryside but next to a busy road.
If she wants exercise it means having to walk onto the busy road (no pavement) and walk along it for 5/6mins before finally getting to a lane. If she drove for 2minutes she'd be able to walk safely. It's far more dangerous that she walks along said busy road, but the Government and Police demands she does that. The other issue being (i'm a runner) and have noticed far more drivers right now not obeying the laws of the road, they drift all over the road over here going in the middle of the road because they know its not busy anymore.
My mums in tears every morning because of this. I honestly have no idea what to do, at this point for her (and my) sanity i'm thinking i'll have to drive us 2/3mins up the road and if we get a fine, we get a fine. I'm not risking her safety anymore going along the road she is scared of. What do you advise in a situation like that? My neighbour FYI is driving 20minutes to walk his dog in a local park every morning. I'm never going to dob him in because he's a lovely guy, but it seems absurd that our mental health is suffering because of this where others aren't taking the rules seriously.
An email from Anthony, about truck drivers who need masks. “If they’re in the cab by themselves they should be in great shape,” Trump says. “I know a lot about trucks.”Trump back on Fox News. Read it and weep:
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I’m pretty sure it’s not for family reasons for most of them. Must be different reasons then, having no income definitely one of them. It’s people from many countries moving back so for some insurance will be a valid point.You don't. They're either working here without having registered for a National Insurance Number / GP, which would be really dumb as it takes about a day to get all that sorted, or they've simply gone back home to be with their families during this difficult time which is quite understandable.
Ermm. Healthcare in the UK is free.Nearly all Poles I know who work in UK have now returned home to get free medical help here if needed. They'll stay here until late May at least It kind of annoys me because they are the same people who look down at those living here permanently bragging about their amazing British salaries (usually inflating them by 50% minimum when speaking about it). Now all of a sudden they all feel like they belong here again because their amazing salaries is not enough to afford a basic medical package in England.
Cheers, i'll have a chat with her. Appreciate your time to respond, take care man.To be honest mate (and as you know I can totally relate to your situation with your mum) you're her carer and within the legislation with regards to reasonable excuse assuming caring responsibilities for someone is an accepted purpose of travel. I would suggest if you can't take her out without a very short journey (make it as short as possible) and that not doing so will have an adverse effect on her health, do it. If you are stopped and explain the situation and your caring responsibilities I don't think any officer in the world would criticise what you're doing and the purpose of your very short, and I would argue essential, journey.
Ultimately I say to people is your journey essential and ask what they are doing. It's usually pretty obvious if that individual is genuine or trying to break the rules. Another think you could consider is fitting this exercise in when you take her shopping. That way if you are stopped you can explain you have your shopping with you and have done it all together to reduce the amount of travel you are doing by frequency.
Hope that helps.
They shouldn't ask him any questions that require an intelligent answer.An email from Anthony, about truck drivers who need masks. “If they’re in the cab by themselves they should be in great shape,” Trump says. “I know a lot about trucks.”
Just watching the news. Is it true French figures are vastly inaccurate and that many in care homes have not been added to the total deaths? Unbelievable if so.That's what France is supposed to be aiming for, large scale serology tests instead of the current virus tests.
Yes. According to the % you came up with!in their 30s?
I suspect that "passing the test" will mean testing positive for past exposure. Everyone else will be lumped in together and have to continue with social distancing.Antibodies are produced after like 10 days after the initial infection. These antibodies test is quite different to the other PCR/RNA testing which can detect the presence of the virus almost from Day One onwards. The downside to PCR/RNA testing is that its very susceptible to human error. The swabs need to be done correctly when collecting the sample or it will skew the test results. Then the storage of the swab has to be stored correctly at a low temperature of like 4 degrees or below. Then it has to be delivered to the nearest lab, too long and the sample quality deteriorates.
The antibodies test kits, on the other hand, are POCT ie they are at the point of care where the blood is drawn from the finger, then drops of blood are then dropped into a self-contained cassette. Then you wait for 5-10 minutes for the result. Room temperature storage.
Less prone to human error/test accuracy but its antibodies so it basically tells you that you have it (or not) only after your body produces antibodies, which is like 10 days later.
Imo PCR kits which are more expensive but in theory more accurate, are for frontline workers and high-risk individuals.
The cheaper antibodies kits are better for those who have been home isolated/quarantined or those who live in rural communities. They as the professor has suggested, can do a self-test to find out if they have the virus, after 10 days or they have recovered and therefore can return to work. Plus if you are out in rural areas like in Souther Europe or 3rd World countries, the PCR's requirement for a lab will not be helpful.
Finally, the incubation period of the virus is at least 14 days. This means that if I pass the test/negative, it doesn't mean that I wont pick it up a couple of weeks or month later. So all of us if we want to contribute to the control of the spread of the virus, needs to be tested every 4-6 weeks. This is why eventually the costs of the test kits and their ease of use is critical until we find a vaccine.
He knows more about trucks than anyone, believe me.An email from Anthony, about truck drivers who need masks. “If they’re in the cab by themselves they should be in great shape,” Trump says. “I know a lot about trucks.”