SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Just watching the news. Is it true French figures are vastly inaccurate and that many in care homes have not been added to the total deaths? Unbelievable if so.
Most likely true everywhere.

In one town here there have been 446 deaths recorded in March, and ordinarily there would have been 98. Only 136 of those have been attributed to the virus. Countries just can't keep up and everybody is reluctant to declare a death as being 'from the virus' when there is a possibility it's just 'with the virus'.
 

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I'd suggest getting your ID sorted. The early hours extend to the all emergency services now and think they will start getting more firm with checking as many are still trying to sneak in sadly.
I asked M&S and Aldi. Both of them said they accept the BlueLightCard as ID, so might try Sainsbury’s tomorrow after my all nighter and hope they do too
 

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Just watching the news. Is it true French figures are vastly inaccurate and that many in care homes have not been added to the total deaths? Unbelievable if so.
That's a poor report. The figures that you see are hospitals patients whether you are talking about the UK or France. You can't actually have the care homes figures at the same rhythm or with the same accuracy because for the most part these people aren't covid19 patients, they die for a variety of reasons and would need to be tested post-mortem which may or may not be done, the ones that were covid19 patients are counted.
 

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I suspect that "passing the test" will mean testing positive for past exposure. Everyone else will be lumped in together and have to continue with social distancing.

It's going to be really odd. I imagine that people who have already had COVID will get some sort of certificate/wristband/smartphone app which allows them do things that everyone else cannot e.g. going to the pub, or the gym. I predict we're going to see the word "covenvy" enter the lexicon within the next 12 months.
Or a new entrant into Urban Dictionary in 2021:

Covjefe : A Covidised Leader like Bojo and hopefully Trump.
 
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Can you effing believe this question from the Fox presenter?:

Guardian transcript said:
"One last question: how can we pray for you?"

Trump would love that, he says, he praises the evangelical communities, the communities of faith who “were on my side in the last election as you know”.
 

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Or a new entrant into Urban Dictionary in 2021L

Covjefe : A Covidised Leader like Bojo and hopefully Trump.
Didn't Trump misspell a tweet with that word a few months ago? He's probably try to copyright that word. :lol:
 

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BTW, a mental health support officer I know just called at my house, as she was concerned about my welfare (I'm ok, as it happens). In the course of conversation, she revealed that 'normal services' from the local authority wouldn't resume for 'many months'(!)
 

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I asked M&S and Aldi. Both of them said they accept the BlueLightCard as ID, so might try Sainsbury’s tomorrow after my all nighter and hope they do too
As long as you're getting your ID sorted it shouldn't be a problem. I'm also thinking you could do with ID incase you are stopped by police. The lockdown is only going to get tighter.
 

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Don't you have to have any sort of insurance to be entitled to healthcare? I don't really have any idea how it works as I've never work abroad but I've heard this repeated multiple times.
No, if you're European you can get primary care and emergency hospital care in the UK (for this year, at least). You'd use your European Health Insurance Card, which is free to get in your home country.

As far as other healthcare is concerned (getting your knee replaced as an elective procedure, for instance), I don't know how it works for foreigners in the UK. In Italy, Europeans who have taken official residency here can pay into the Italian national healthcare system on a sliding scale according to your income. If you don't earn much, you don't pay much.
 

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That's a poor report. The figures that you see are hospitals patients whether you are talking about the UK or France. You can't actually have the care homes figures at the same rhythm or with the same accuracy because for the most part these people aren't covid19 patients, they die for a variety of reasons and would need to be tested post-mortem which may or may not be done, the ones that were covid19 patients are counted.
The report was from France itself to by fair and was very critical of Macron, the figures and the French response. It will likely be on BBC if you want to check it out.
 

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If they do generate this data, it would be interesting (also expensive) to do some DNA sequencing of these people and see if there are any differences between those who are symptomatic and asymptomatic. This sequencing will only make sense if the original antibody test is done as widely as possible, because the sequencing doesn't generate very strong results usually.

He can offer it speakership, he might win again.
If this joke has been done on twitter already, sorry.
 

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Italy's coronavirus outbreak is taking a heavy toll on health workers, with more than 60 doctors confirmed to have died since it began.

A total of 61 doctors have died during the Covid-19 pandemic in Italy, says the national federation of doctors FNOMCeO, including at least 22 in the past week.

According to its list most of the victims worked in and around Lombardy, the region at the centre of the Italian outbreak, but doctors have also died further south in Le Marche, Campania, Sicily and Puglia.

In total 8,358 healthcare workers have contracted the new coronavirus in Italy, according to the latest count by the Italian Higher Health Institute (ISS).
Around 4,000 of those infected are nurses, said the head of nurses' federation FNOPI, Barbara Mangiacavalli.

Despite the dangers nearly 9,500 nurses volunteered to join a national coronavirus task force to help at hospitals in the worst-affected regions, she said on Sunday. Italy's Civil Protection department sought 500 nurses as emergency reinforcements, but within 48 hours had received 9,448 applications.

Last week the department received nearly 8,000 applications from doctors volunteering for a similar task force, after asking for 300.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200330/more-than-60-doctors-have-died-in-italys-coronavirus-outbreak
 

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Can someone link me to any good articles on the impact of C19 on Financial Services please?
 

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This has probably already been posted, but it's well worth a watch for anyone who hasn't already seen it:


It's long but extremely informative.
 

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From 8:00 in the video I've just posted above with a Korean professor, he says there are cases of people recovering from coronavirus and then showing symptoms again after 5-7 days. I wonder if the German approach works, but patients need to be given 2 weeks after they've stopped showing symptoms before they should be mixing with the public again.
 

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In regards to only counting deaths that have occurred in hospitals in the official figures, according to the Guardian, a spokesperson from the UK Government earlier today confirmed that this was also true in the UK, but from tomorrow the Office for National Statistics will start including deaths that have occurred in the community into the statistics on a weekly basis.

I suppose the week lag would be the time required to perform post-postmortems to confirm COVID.
 

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If they do generate this data, it would be interesting (also expensive) to do some DNA sequencing of these people and see if there are any differences between those who are symptomatic and asymptomatic. This sequencing will only make sense if the original antibody test is done as widely as possible, because the sequencing doesn't generate very strong results usually.
Yeah that’s one of the biggest unknowns here. Why the extremely wide range of disease severity (over and above the usual stuff around age/co-morbidities) Apparently people with blood group O do much better than those with A. Bound to be other, more subtle, genoytpical differences which have profound effects.
 

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However bad we think it is, for soem it is worse.

I've had a lot of criticism for the guardian in recent years, they lost their way on many things, but they had done a good job with the pandemic stuff, looking beyond the bluff and bluster to see what is actually going on.

Clapping for the NHS is all well and good, but they need much more than that.

 

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India has done only about 35000 tests. If the lockdown isn't working, we're truly fecked.
Its not like the govt is going to accept that the lockdown hasn't worked. People have to die in large numbers (in Indian terms) for govt to accept anything. A few 100s dying randomly is just going to be brushed under the carpet.
 

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Our prime minister has basically said he doesn't expect lockdown to be loosened at least before Autumn and likely not in 2020 at all. If anything they'll bring stricter measures for Summer (apparently only allowing people for occasional visits to do shopping and walk the dog a few times a day).

I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
 

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Does anybody know why the PCR testing was so hard to ramp up and is still used rather rarely? We already mass produce all the reagents for PCR. The only novelty is the specific primer sets forthe virus, but surely that can't be the hold up? Or is the problem at the detection/measurement of the RT-PCR end?
 

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The report was from France itself to by fair and was very critical of Macron, the figures and the French response. It will likely be on BBC if you want to check it out.
The fact that it's from France makes it even worse because Jerome Salomon has been repeating it during the official daily reports it's not a secret and it's not supposed to stay that way, the regional health agencies have registered those covid19 death, when it was possible, and the figures for care homes(EHPAD) should be available this week(it's supposed to be tonight). The reason people know that they aren't in the current count is because the government told them that it wasn't in it that they were going to publish them this week.
 

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Our prime minister has basically said he doesn't expect lockdown to be loosened at least before Autumn and likely not in 2020 at all. If anything they'll bring stricter measures for Summer (apparently only allowing people for occasional visits to do shopping and walk the dog a few times a day).

I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
It's going to be a long year and one to remember for sure. Hopefully we never go through this again and those not born yet will not be able to get their heads around it.
 

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Low confidence on the percentage of population infected so far! 1.88% to 11.43%!
 

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It's going to be a long year and one to remember for sure. Hopefully we never go through this again and those not born yet will not be able to get their heads around it.
All this could have been avoided if flights from China were banned when the virus started spreading there but Europe & US were too concerned about economic impact. It wouldn't have been 10% of what it will be now, and you can be sure China will not be allowing any Americans or Europeans without quarantine for a long while.
 

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I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
After all, it's not like Europe's leaders have a centuries-long history of viral diseases to learn from, in order to prepare & protect the public against them...
 

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After all, it's not like Europe's leaders have a centuries-long history of viral diseases to learn from, in order to prepare & protect the public against them...
I don't really think anyone has any idea what they are doing right now, to be fair.
 

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All this could have been avoided if flights from China were banned when the virus started spreading there but Europe & US were too concerned about economic impact. It wouldn't have been 10% of what it will be now, and you can be sure China will not be allowing any Americans or Europeans without quarantine for a long while.
What you are suggesting would have changed nothing for Europe and the US, I don't really get why people keep making that point when it's incredibly weak. Banning flights from China alone would have made next to no difference, you would need to ban flights from everywhere because flights/ships from China go everywhere and they also use the same airports that other destinations will use. The only thing that could have prevented it was for China to close it's own borders and let no one leave.
 

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Our prime minister has basically said he doesn't expect lockdown to be loosened at least before Autumn and likely not in 2020 at all. If anything they'll bring stricter measures for Summer (apparently only allowing people for occasional visits to do shopping and walk the dog a few times a day).

I don't really know how Europe will pull through this.
We've been through far, far worse than this. It's going to a difficult year and there is still a long way to go, but we will come out of it. In 10 years we will look back and remember this time but we won't still be rebuilding from it.