Not even Sweden.
1.9 million out 4.7 million houses.
https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/manniskorna-i-sverige/hushall-i-sverige/
Still alot but not 50%
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
1.9 million out 4.7 million houses.
https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/manniskorna-i-sverige/hushall-i-sverige/
Still alot but not 50%
Here's what the guardian wrote about China on a quick google : guardian - China - corona
China denies cover-up as Wuhan coronavirus deaths revised .
China clamping down on coronavirus research, deleted pages ...
China steps up western media campaign over coronavirus ...
Life after lockdown: has China really beaten coronavirus ...
China reports zero daily deaths from coronavirus for the first ...
China sees a new wave of xenophobia - The Guardian
China gets a glimpse of life on the other side of coronavirus ...
China's coronavirus lockdown strategy: brutal but effective ...
Coronavirus chaos could strengthen China's debt hold on ...
The new normal': China's excessive coronavirus public ...
China's coronavirus health code apps raise concerns over ...
Duck evolution over time
Duck evolution with genetic engineering
I may be skimming over the detail slightly
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In a worldwide pandemic with everyone being equal in front of the virus, you'd think people would show some form of unity.
This is what I managed to find:
https://medicaldialogues.in/laborat...ent-zero-was-lab-employee-claims-report-64983
"Just in case you don't know. Dr Montagnier has been rolling downhill incredibly fast in the last few years. From baselessly defending homeopathy to becoming an antivaxxer. Whatever he says, just don't believe him," tweeted Juan Carlos Gabaldon.
And as far as I know his claims that parts of HIV and Malaria (not an actual virus BTW) have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 virus genome are baseless. I think we can file this one under Tin foil hat/Batshit crazy and move on.
Unity?! Not for something as annoying as a virus. I'm feeling far more irritable than normal, not the other way around.
I think it's the tail end of household transmission, but also some new cases. The government estimated cases were 10x higher at one point, down to about 5x now, so it's likely there will still be a few people passing it around. Ministers keep complaining that whilst people are respecting the rules for the most part there are still too many people around at certain times, and care homes are still popping up with new outbreaks.
I have a few questions, which you with a background in microbe evolution might be able to answer.
My limited understanding leads me to believe that bacteria/viruses evolve constantly in small ways. Does that mean there and hundreds of thousands of different COVID-19 strains currently circulating? Or must there be X amount of mutations in a single virus for it to be classified as a new strain?
Also, if there are more than one strain, does that mean a potential vaccine needs to be adjusted so that it can safeguard someone against all these different strains? If so, doesn't that mean scientists have an impossible task on their hands, because by the time a vaccine hits the market the viruses have mutated yet again?
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Just read that Novak Djokovic is an anti-vaxxer.
Apparently his wife is into the 5G stuff too.
Apparently his wife is into the 5G stuff too.
Human nature goes the other way. Retrenchment and look after yourself. I mean look at supposedly friendly countries squabbling over equipment. Is it any surprise the citizens are at it too?
Is it a surprise? Always was always has been. When the stake is down it's dog eat dog. The only question is how far down you'd have to go before you eat the dog next to you.
Quick thanks to everyone for the comments on the situation I posted about. I won’t quote them all but the ideas and thoughts are appreciated.
He’s been in the garden making it a project the last week so we’ve all chipped in and had a decent BBQ delivered which he was apparently emotional over. Anyway, this will hopefully be the last time I reference the situation!
My mum works in Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services and spends her days assessing young people that have attempted to commit suicide amongst other things. I think knowing this and knowing she would try and get inside his head to help, it’s cemented the fact that he hasn’t spoken about it with my sister, although I suppose most considering suicide don’t speak about it and that’s the issue. My mum has been giving my sister some ways to subliminally acknowledge what’s going on and ways to make things better.
He’s been in the garden making it a project the last week so we’ve all chipped in and had a decent BBQ delivered which he was apparently emotional over. Anyway, this will hopefully be the last time I reference the situation!
I'm not fully across what constitutes a new strain but although I have seen reference to 2 or more strains of SARS-CoV-2 I'm not sure that this is correct as I've seen references to clusters of genetic variation (which i'm assuming is less that that required to call something a new strain). Whatever the case everything I've read this weeks seems to suggest that the virus is evolving slowly enough to allow a general vaccine to be developed.
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Thanks, so a new strain is then probably similar to a whole new species in evolutionary lingo? It happens over a very long time (much quicker for microbes obviously) after multiple mutations.
The good news is that a) it appears to be mutating slowly and b) that it can't recombine with another virus or virus strain as easily as influenza can which reduces the chance of rapid change.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319
I think in virology species is higher up. I'm not sure how much genetic divergence is necessary to classify something as a new strain as strain isn't part of the official nomenclature hierarchy. I'm sure this is my ignorance rather than any problem with the term strain. I'm nt sure how much this diagram helps but I'm thinking that strain may = Individuum. That is a guess BTW.
Thankfully not everyone is like that, I've always seen some incredibly sefless gestures too. I suppose tough times always bring out the true nature of people. Assholes will be assholes or something
Christ, they are like a ****. Right-wing America really does love spitting in the face of science and logic on a regular basis.
I feel for those who say they are suffering because they can't work. I certainly get that aspect of it. But this whole "I ain't scared" noise is truly terrifying.
I think that strain means the it has differences in physical make up (phenotype) from other strains e.g. the antigen is different which isn't necessarily correlated to the degree of genome variation i.e. genetic variation alone isn't enough, there needs to be a physical differences for it to be called a new strain. Which may mean that strain = Individuum. I'm still not 100% clear if there are more than 1 strain of SARS-CoV-2 or if the variations being called strains are in fact genetic differences but not with enough phenotype differences to be a new strain.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535543/
"a (natural) virus strain is a “variant of a given virus that is recognizable because it possesses some unique phenotypic characteristics that remain stable under natural conditions” [emphasis added by the authors]. Such “unique phenotypic characteristics” are biological properties different from the compared reference virus, such as unique antigenic properties, host range or the signs of disease it causes. Importantly, as Van Regenmortel points out, a virus variant with a simple “difference in genome sequence…is not given the status of a separate strain since there is no recognizable distinct viral phenotype”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535543/
"a (natural) virus strain is a “variant of a given virus that is recognizable because it possesses some unique phenotypic characteristics that remain stable under natural conditions” [emphasis added by the authors]. Such “unique phenotypic characteristics” are biological properties different from the compared reference virus, such as unique antigenic properties, host range or the signs of disease it causes. Importantly, as Van Regenmortel points out, a virus variant with a simple “difference in genome sequence…is not given the status of a separate strain since there is no recognizable distinct viral phenotype”
What is bothering me most about this, is the fact that for many viruses we never manage to develop a working and lasting vaccine. Like HIV, Ebola etc. So maybe mutation like Spanish Flu to H1N1 or something might be what lets us return to normal. Hoping for a vaccine but more and more "experts" are saying in media that one can not guarantee that we will succeed with that, so getting skeptical. Good that we have internet in these times though 
So what's going on in Sweden then?
On the one hand I see this:
On the other hand I see this:
I note that a country like Belgium which locked down early has more deaths than Sweden but I also note that Belgium include nursing home and non-hospital deaths in their figures, with hospital deaths making up less than half their total, so I'm not sure what the figures in Sweden represent exactly.
On the one hand I see this:
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I note that a country like Belgium which locked down early has more deaths than Sweden but I also note that Belgium include nursing home and non-hospital deaths in their figures, with hospital deaths making up less than half their total, so I'm not sure what the figures in Sweden represent exactly.
Italy is outlining today how to start coming out of lockdown from 4 May:
- manufacturing will open first, followed by construction, then offices, all with big restrictions. bars and restaurants are considered highest risk and no chance of opening them any time soon.
- increasing public transport services so distance can be kept between people, and everybody needs to have their temperature scanned before boarding a bus or a train.
- outdoor exercise to be allowed. You will need to carry a certificate with the time you left home on it.
- elderly to stay with the same restrictions as before.
- any hotspots will be designated as red zones and totally closed off with nobody able to enter/leave.
There was also a nice story coming out of Ferrari who i wouldn't necessarily think of as a generous company - the board of directors have given up their entire salary for the rest of the year in order to pay for food packages and teaching equipment for the local town.
- manufacturing will open first, followed by construction, then offices, all with big restrictions. bars and restaurants are considered highest risk and no chance of opening them any time soon.
- increasing public transport services so distance can be kept between people, and everybody needs to have their temperature scanned before boarding a bus or a train.
- outdoor exercise to be allowed. You will need to carry a certificate with the time you left home on it.
- elderly to stay with the same restrictions as before.
- any hotspots will be designated as red zones and totally closed off with nobody able to enter/leave.
There was also a nice story coming out of Ferrari who i wouldn't necessarily think of as a generous company - the board of directors have given up their entire salary for the rest of the year in order to pay for food packages and teaching equipment for the local town.
40% then. You’ve completely undermined my point with that startling statistic.
I think their annual F1 budget is 400 million so they can afford it.
Well if they’re giving up their salary then it’s coming out of their pockets.
Why such a negative response?
168 deaths yesterday in Belgium, 62 died in the hospital, all of them confirmed corona cases. 103 people died in nursing homes, of which 3 percent confirmed cases and the other 97 percent suspected cases.
So this explains the above. it doesn't look good when Belgium is being compared to the rest of the world though. All countries should at least have the same way of counting the deceased.
Fair play to Belgium for not downplaying anything. While there surely are countries that downplay the numbers for political reasons, I think we just have to accept that some countries/regions/cities, like Northern Italy and Madrid, have been completely overwhelmed and can't keep track. The numbers will surely be adjusted by statisticians when everything has calmed down. The annual influenza deaths, for example, are usually not counted specifically, but estimated after the fact.
Just seemed like you were nit-picking. 50%, 40%, whatever. Sweden has an unusually high proportion of single person households, which gives their gamble a better chance of paying off than other countries. That’s the point I was making.
I still think their strategy is based on wild assumptions based on very little evidence (see tweet below) but their demographics might save them from disaster.
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The 0.1% mortality/50% already infected stats seem to have been plucked out of thin air and his claim that the flattening of the curves we’re seeing is down to running out of vulnerable peope left to infect is ludicrous. Even the grimmest death rates, anywhere in the world, would represent only a small % of the total pool of vulnerable people in that country.
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There are other sites that put it closer to 48% to be fair.
It's impossible in some places but will all be accounted for once things settle down.
Take Lombardy as possibly the hardest hit place in Europe - they have published total mortality data irrespective of cause. They can't add these to official figures yet but data like this will be pored over by statisticians later on:
https://public.flourish.studio/visu...e=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/1870425
In places like Bergamo there have been more than 4 times as many deaths as normal and only a fraction are attributed to Covid. When they're having to ship them out overnight in Army trucks because they have no more space to keep them, who dies of what slips down the priority list.
Happy to have a look, if you provide a link
Wasn't my intention. UK seems to be 29,5%.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...019-there-were-82-million-people-living-alone
The only way around it is a lock-in...at the pub!
I mean, pubs are pretty low down the pecking order in terms of importance and priority I know (and I love a drink), but if this is true then I think we can safely say that we'll possibly lose pubs for good. As in, the vast majority of them. And when this is all over, starting up a pub will be seen as a dangerous proposition because 'something like this could happen again' and it will all have been for nothing.
Ugh, I'd murder a pint of Guinness right now. Hopefully they'll be allowed open in some capacity over the summer. limited numbers, beer gardens etc.
Sounds a good plan, but struggling to see how that would be viable in London with the tube. The queues would be huge and it would be risky, as a lot of the stations are built in places that can't accommodate massive two metre spaced queues, eg on major roads etc...Would need to be a massively staggered return to work over weeks potentially, maybe with the young and healthy first, then those in their 40s, 50s, 60s etc...No quick way out of this I can see.