- and also, in your country Apostasy is seen as a crime and punishable by death. Im sure you don't think like that, but i don't wont that kind of thinking where i live.Saudis taking over Newcastle | Maybe not
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- and also, in your country Apostasy is seen as a crime and punishable by death. Im sure you don't think like that, but i don't wont that kind of thinking where i live.No I get people have their personal opinions and their feelings might get hurt (bless them) but I’m just pointing out other than a handful of articles initially there will be pretty much silence on the topic from press and rival fans.
Especially once Newcastle start making ground on the top four and doing well.
Wow in fairness everybody reads amnesty international while eating their cornflakes in the morning. Look hard enough and you will find anything on the net.
Come on now, you get what I’m saying. The general media and rival fans won’t exactly chastise their fanbase for this and neither would they with United fans if they had bought us.
This game is about winning, politics and morality don’t have much baring on the game.
I was talking about the house of al saud that they wouldn't discriminate against a group of people even though that we Muslims don't like them. Under the Saudi law they'll never be deprived of their rights. I'm an honest person not an abusive one and so are the Saudis.
I'll make it easier for you just give me one name of a person that committed such a crime and was punished by death. I'll give you as long as you need.
1. No, they don't, but what they do read is newspapers and websites that share football news and guess what? They've all been sharing the link I posted from amnesty:
https://www.goal.com/en/news/premie...ing-saudi-takeover-/hje8slz1bpq115lrvnwe9i0is
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hts-surrounding-Newcastles-300m-takeover.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11447340/newcastle-takeover-amnesty-international-keys/
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...a-patsy-on-newcastle-united-takeover-football
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...atest-news-saudi-arabia-amnesty-a9476361.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...al-urges-premier-league-reconsider-newcastle/
2. No. I don't get what you are saying. The general media and rival fans still consistently talk about City and their owners in terms of politics and morality so they will do the exact same with Newcastle. There is a huge thread on here about City and their owners in terms of human rights. You're pretty much the only person that doesn't think it is an issue in this thread.
3. Complete nonsense. Of course politics has an impact on the game. Players aren't allowed to make political statements on the pitch, they're actively banned from doing so. They are consistently tarnished in the media for questionable moral decisions. Politics and morality is a massive part of the wider implications of football both on and off the pitch.
I feel sorry for you. Don't lie. Saudi Arabia since it's creation have never stoned a single person for any crime. It's never been done
Fair play, I fell your banter. You WUM you.I feel sorry for you. Don't lie. Saudi Arabia since it's creation have never stoned a single person for any crime. It's never been done
Is apostasy legal in Arabia Abdulah?I feel sorry for you. Don't lie. Saudi Arabia since it's creation have never stoned a single person for any crime. It's never been done
Aldo what happened to Jamal Khashoggi?
There is a sizeable fuss being made but i'd be almost certain it would only be a fraction of what it is if there was actual football to cover they'd be too busy talking about Liverpool's glory or Messi's 97th hat trick or whatever.
People really have trouble understanding the difference between Saudi State and Saudi Businessmen. Having Saudi Sponsor and having Saudi State as owners.
Also takeover is not yet completed and look the vociferous group of twitter supporters they have already amassed. Jamal khashoggi is being mentioned as "shoddy" person who got what he deserved.
Saudi public fund to buy football club is basically cheating and should not be allowed at all. The fit and proper test is a joke in PL.
Also takeover is not yet completed and look the vociferous group of twitter supporters they have already amassed. Jamal khashoggi is being mentioned as "shoddy" person who got what he deserved.
Saudi public fund to buy football club is basically cheating and should not be allowed at all. The fit and proper test is a joke in PL.
People were not objecting over hurt feelings mate.
So?
I doubt there would be virtually no criticism it they were buying United, but even if there were zero criticism. What does that have to do with people objecting to a bunch of murderous cnuts owning United?
I think beheading qualifies as being deprived of rights. I don't blame you though. Living in Saudi Arabia you can't really be expected to say anything else on an internet forum or you might be next.
Title winners like Chelsea and City after they got money
And if they recruit the wrong heads then hey, we all know they already have a solution for that.
Like I've mentioned in response to Stevoc, there will be some minimal noise initially in the press but this will overwhelmingly fade into nothingness as soon as Newcastle start getting results and moving up the table. A single article being rehashed by multiple outlets during a period where ZERO sport is happening hardly proves your point.
Which in itself sort of echoes my point that the game is about results and 99% of fans have absolutely no interest in the Saudi regime when they are talking about or indeed watching the sport. *That's not to say they don't care, it's just not a particularly relevant topic, not least because fans don't choose their owners and have no say in it.
On your point about United fans and media consistently talking about City and their owners in regard to the politics and moral questions surrounding them - really??
It has been deafeningly quiet from the media for almost their entire ownership of City. Only really being mentioned since their FFP breaches and cheating came to light. Sure everybody knows what the real setup is behind the ownership but it was very rarely mentioned in the press.
I've read articles by journalists who have even mentioned in said articles how much radio silence there was from the main press regarding the atrocities the city owners are linked with. It was clear that the main bunch of journalists who attend press conferences etc largely dodge any questions about the ownership and especially any atrocities (most likely for fear of being banned and even more likely because the press are largely in their pocket.) Show me one clip of a journalist asking a question in a press conference at the Etihad...
Please show me a link to the thread specifically where everybody on the CAF congregate to bash City fans about their owners questionable moral background?
I'm pretty sure whatever thread your referring to largely discusses their financial doping and them generally cheating through FFP until recently.
Politics and morality have no influence on the pitch and very little effect on the game off the pitch. See corrupt governing bodies, mass racism with nothing but petty fines, it's a disgrace from top to bottom and it's the only industry that lives in it's own bubble unaffected largely from the outside world.
I think it's a joke that Newcastle fans and football fans in general are wanting to see the Saudis take over purely because they can provide a shit ton of money.
City are bad enough spending their way to success, but the Saudis are a whole other level with some of the shit they pull of politically.
Personally I'm not a fan of wealthy owners spending their way to success, especially when those owners are essentially states. We take the piss out of American sports, but I'd much rather we turn to a draft-like system for players to level the financial playing field in the premier league, even at United's detriment, then allow shitty states to buy clubs to whitewash their political image. Global capitalism left unchecked has detrimental effects to industry, as we've seen with various British companies like Cadbury and loads of car companies, and imo the same applies to football. There has to be checks to shit like this.
Their has to be some point you stop and ask where does it end? Does every team in the PL get owned by some weird state with oil revenues? And who wins is basically whoever has the most cash? I know we're way beyond that now, but Germany's 50+1 one rule for ownership is a good thing. Yeah competitively in Europe you may struggle, but at the end of the day the clubs remain in fans hands.
City are bad enough spending their way to success, but the Saudis are a whole other level with some of the shit they pull of politically.
Personally I'm not a fan of wealthy owners spending their way to success, especially when those owners are essentially states. We take the piss out of American sports, but I'd much rather we turn to a draft-like system for players to level the financial playing field in the premier league, even at United's detriment, then allow shitty states to buy clubs to whitewash their political image. Global capitalism left unchecked has detrimental effects to industry, as we've seen with various British companies like Cadbury and loads of car companies, and imo the same applies to football. There has to be checks to shit like this.
Their has to be some point you stop and ask where does it end? Does every team in the PL get owned by some weird state with oil revenues? And who wins is basically whoever has the most cash? I know we're way beyond that now, but Germany's 50+1 one rule for ownership is a good thing. Yeah competitively in Europe you may struggle, but at the end of the day the clubs remain in fans hands.
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Done. Ahmad Al-Shamri. Took me all of two minutes. He posted social media videos denouncing the Prophet Mohammed. I know that King Abdullah re-defined atheists as terrorists fairly recently but not all Apostasy crimes are punished by death, you also get severe prison sentences along with thousands of lashes. Little harsh.
All of which is disgraceful. You presumably would agree that the press should not be silent about atrocities committed by regimes like the ruling families of Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi?
Yes, of course. That's the point I'm making, that it is of course despicable but there is no backlash from the press or rival fans to a large extent when these sort of regimes take ownership of clubs.
It was particularly bad with City because for the longest time there wasn't so much as a whisper in the papers about Monsour being the face of it and it really being owned by his half-brother Khalifa (the current president of UAE) and responsible for many atrocities.
Yeah, being involved with MBS is not great, to put it mildly. Sweet feck-all supporters can really do about it though. However, and speaking generally here, Newcastle United fans aren't very interested in buying titles. Yes, some dafties get caught up in the "buy all the players" hype but that's the exception - being competitive and having a club we can be proud of have always been the more dominant goals.
I know for a lot of people who don't actually follow the club you may consider Ashley as having not done too terribly or that he must have inherited a bad system or this that or the other. And that's fine - there's been a lot of spin around it and I'm uninterested in litigating his ownership to you. All I can ask is that you lend an equally sympathetic ear to the words of a supporter when I say the last 13 years have been one massive pisstake after another to someone breathing the club in every day. Not just in terms of being tight in the transfer market either; the training facilities are worse than most universities and our youth setup is a shambles.
I think to me, if I'm honestly going to take any joy in it, the plans for revitalization around the club - grounds, recruiting, etc - and city are what interest me. I hope I don't change my tune if it happens, but buying our way to a trophy would feel a bit hollow and empty while investing in the region and producing more northeast talent again would mean as much.
I know for a lot of people who don't actually follow the club you may consider Ashley as having not done too terribly or that he must have inherited a bad system or this that or the other. And that's fine - there's been a lot of spin around it and I'm uninterested in litigating his ownership to you. All I can ask is that you lend an equally sympathetic ear to the words of a supporter when I say the last 13 years have been one massive pisstake after another to someone breathing the club in every day. Not just in terms of being tight in the transfer market either; the training facilities are worse than most universities and our youth setup is a shambles.
I think to me, if I'm honestly going to take any joy in it, the plans for revitalization around the club - grounds, recruiting, etc - and city are what interest me. I hope I don't change my tune if it happens, but buying our way to a trophy would feel a bit hollow and empty while investing in the region and producing more northeast talent again would mean as much.
I totally get why newcastle fans are happy to see the back of Ashley. He pretty much became the standard for shitty ownership that everyone else was measured by. I get why your excited, your club has been in stasis for a decade +
If you start defending your owners and trying to make an argument how its totally ok to torture and murder journalists in your embassy on foreign soil then I'll call you a twat. Otherwise enjoy, if any club was going to win the lotto newcastle aren't a bad choice.
They can't or won't do a Chelsea, City, PSG , probably closer to Everton's or AC Milan's a couple years ago.
Yes me. It’s very likely. I wish they had bought us instead and I know I’ll get battered for saying so. But I do.
I think he is not wumming, and he is probably right. Stone to death is a specific punishment for adultery committed by married persons. Why would a sane man commit adultery when the stake is stone to death? I would happily choose to marry 4 women than commit adultery.
*I believe guillotine is the most common practice for death sentence in KSA.
I reckon they will sign John Stones.
Premier League table according to the wealth of each club's owners.
1. Newcastle United, Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund, £320bn
2. Manchester City, Sheikh Mansour, £23.3bn
3. Chelsea, Roman Abramovich, £9.6bn
4. Arsenal, Stan Kroenke, £6.8bn
5. Wolves, Guo Guangchang, £5.2bn
6. Aston Villa, Nassef Sawiris, £5bn
7. Leicester, Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, £4.6bn
8. Tottenham, Joe Lewis, £3.9bn
9. Manchester United, The Glazer Family, £3.6bn
10. Southampton, Gao Jisheng, £3.1bn
11. Crystal Palace, Joshua Harris, £2.7bn
12. Liverpool, John W Henry, £2.1bn
13. West Ham, David Sullivan and David Gold, £1.6bn
14. Everton, Farhad Moshiri, £1.5bn
15. Brighton, Tony Bloom, £1.3bn
16. Bournemouth, Maxim Demin, £900m
17. Sheffield United, Prince Abdullah bin Musa’ed, £198m
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo.../newcastle-united-takeover-rich-list-18122976
1. Newcastle United, Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund, £320bn
2. Manchester City, Sheikh Mansour, £23.3bn
3. Chelsea, Roman Abramovich, £9.6bn
4. Arsenal, Stan Kroenke, £6.8bn
5. Wolves, Guo Guangchang, £5.2bn
6. Aston Villa, Nassef Sawiris, £5bn
7. Leicester, Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, £4.6bn
8. Tottenham, Joe Lewis, £3.9bn
9. Manchester United, The Glazer Family, £3.6bn
10. Southampton, Gao Jisheng, £3.1bn
11. Crystal Palace, Joshua Harris, £2.7bn
12. Liverpool, John W Henry, £2.1bn
13. West Ham, David Sullivan and David Gold, £1.6bn
14. Everton, Farhad Moshiri, £1.5bn
15. Brighton, Tony Bloom, £1.3bn
16. Bournemouth, Maxim Demin, £900m
17. Sheffield United, Prince Abdullah bin Musa’ed, £198m
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo.../newcastle-united-takeover-rich-list-18122976
I sense Malaga vibes..
J ayay A ayay... oh, feck it.
clickbait ranking
Haha, that has nothing to do with operating costs, annual revenue/turnover, % of wages to annual costs...just a nothing burger, clickbait article as you said.
It'll be interesting to see how they manage and if they can pump enough money and attract the proper coaches, players, and mentality to improve. Shows the competitiveness of the Premier League again.
It's about the inconsistency. Wolves, City, and Newcastle are all owned by investment funds, but for some reason the former two are listed by the net worth of the person who runs the fund and the latter is listed by the worth of the investment fund itself. To keep it consistent, Newcastle would be listed with Mohamed bin Salman's net worth of $17 billion (slightly less in pounds).
ranking is spun to make Newcastle look completely stand outish
beheading is based on an equal measurement that fits the crime. We've got courts and trustworthy religious scholars who've sustained their credibility over time. Whom aren't influenced by a state law and only follow the teachings of Quran and our prophet Mohamed ﷺ. We always judge the severity of the crime based on clear methods that are subtracted from Quran & Sunna. The 2 books that we tailored our constitution or 'Sharia law' from. Al Saud have no influence whatsoever on any cases that are brought to court and never sought to. Stop embracing yourself and never talk about a subject you don't know squat about. I couldn't careless and have never been intimidated by MBS or his father as I fear no man but God. %99.9 of Saudis want our country to be run this way and we live in peace and prosperity so what's your problem with that?
Well there you go. Sharia law is definitely discriminatory towards non muslims, so you really can't claim there isn't discrimination going on when discrimination is pretty much the law. Its like the confederate arguing there's no discrimination going on because black people aren't defined as human.
We're in the 21st century ffs
Wait, is this confirm?
Not sure if the timing is strategically right...
Not sure if the timing is strategically right...
So effectively the Saudi's own two clubs in the league, Sheffield United and Newcastle?
And both furloughed staff!
They most certainly can, whether they want or intend to is the question.
Bein sports have taken issue with this, since money talks, this could be interesting.
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