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I hate all this talk Uefa is throwing around about nulling and voiding the domestic season in all countries. I must have come across it a maximum of zero times in that statement.
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It doesn't.Interesting line here which would rule out declaring current positions as final imo:
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You can't declare the top four positions as they are when other teams are still well within reach of overtaking sides like Chelsea and Leicester in the remaining fixtures.
I agree.. choosing on merit doesn’t mean completion. If anything UEFA have thrown leagues, teams, players and fans under the busInteresting line here which would rule out declaring current positions as final imo:
You can't declare the top four positions as they are when other teams are still well within reach of overtaking sides like Chelsea and Leicester in the remaining fixtures.
It's a joke.Who plays who for Top 4 then, and relegation for that matter
Cups will be cancelled surely, well FA cup given the Uefa plan seems to be to play remainder of europa and CL in August so seems to give chance for domestic leagues to get all league fixtures done in June if possible.Not a chance it could be done in 3-4 weeks, even setting aside the need for a mini pre-season before a restart. Some teams have potentially 18 games left in the season if they go all the way in cups.
How can 2-3 weeks training and 18 games be completed in 3-4 weeks?
And I find I have to come to Redcafe daily to get any kind of null and void hit. I may have an addiction.And ?
Seems the plan is to play three games over the international breaks rather than just two which makes sense to me. Just rejig so all league games take place on the preceding Saturday and then Sunday/Mondays afterwards.Not to mention world cup qualifiers.
OK I will give you that. You say this and then people are saying we can have half full stadiums and trust people. People couldn't be trusted with shopping properly, having to have one in one out, tape on the floors, etc, and we expect 25k of them to behave? I think we will see it be a 50% policy on return, but it won't be done until its safe for 100%You should like the government: I’ll rephrase you statement. Gloves provide protection, but the population can’t be trusted to take them off correctly or no touch their faces. The population can be trusted with advise not to touch their faces and wash hands..
Surely testing is a bit of a moot point in this. If we get to mid June (still two months away) and STILL there isn't enough reliable testing for NHS and patients going into hospital and it hasn't been rolled out to decent amount each day that will be a massive catastrophic failure of government. Sports teams certainly wouldn't be getting them but I think the ire of people will be directed a little higher up.He’s actually right.
it relies on testing, and having support of medical staff. How can you do that if the tests are required by the NHS.
Furthermore, the questions of squad depth and costs of players wages has been raised by the article - which I have been banging on about for weeks, not for the PL but for the lower leagues.
it’s a shame if didn’t fit your agenda (for you), but to marginalise the issues and challenges would be utter nonsense
No it doesn't but it does make it difficult for the FAs to know what the response would be to "finish as is". UEFA definitely threw everyone under the bus here.It doesn't.
The only reliable testing is via labs at the moment. I don't think we have seen anything to suggest that would change yet have we? This is not a government thing as such, its a supplier thing. Now governments could have asked labs to do it rather than go for rapid testing but thats probably the only failure.Surely testing is a bit of a moot point in this. If we get to mid June (still two months away) and STILL there isn't enough reliable testing for NHS and patients going into hospital and it hasn't been rolled out to decent amount each day that will be a massive catastrophic failure of government. Sports teams certainly wouldn't be getting them but I think the ire of people will be directed a little higher up.
still not entirely sure what you think your point is, but you seem rather specialAnd I find I have to come to Redcafe daily to get any kind of null and void hit. I may have an addiction.
It doesn't apply to relegation as far as I'm aware. Just for entry into European competitions.Who plays who for Top 4 then, and relegation for that matter
so decide relegation based on something entirely differentIt doesn't apply to relegation as far as I'm aware. Just for entry into European competitions.
Should just get fans to vote for it, about as valid as PPG.so decide relegation based on something entirely different
Not quite, if the season ended now and any of Leicester, City or ourselves did not get into the CL, it'd be unfair. As current standings would have us qualified. On that basis, UEFA could refuse entry to someone who finished below 4th, and hand it to one of the current top 4.Interesting line here which would rule out declaring current positions as final imo:
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You can't declare the top four positions as they are when other teams are still well within reach of overtaking sides like Chelsea and Leicester in the remaining fixtures.
Being handed the trophy when the 38 games haven't been completed will be equally funny though. You will never live It down.I hate all this talk Uefa is throwing around about nulling and voiding the domestic season in all countries. I must have come across it a maximum of zero times in that statement.
City's ban will only get reduced to a year at best so there's a good chance 5th will get in anyway.Not quite, if the season ended now and any of Leicester, City or ourselves did not get into the CL, it'd be unfair. As current standings would have us qualified. On that basis, UEFA could refuse entry to someone who finished below 4th, and hand it to one of the current top 4.
However, the only loophole in that instance would be whether City will get their ban upheld. Utd would get in, then
Of course it does. It's very tight between Chelsea United and Sheffield.It doesn't.
Sort of, as tests can be arranged privately.Surely testing is a bit of a moot point in this. If we get to mid June (still two months away) and STILL there isn't enough reliable testing for NHS and patients going into hospital and it hasn't been rolled out to decent amount each day that will be a massive catastrophic failure of government. Sports teams certainly wouldn't be getting them but I think the ire of people will be directed a little higher up.
and what is the alternativeOf course it does. It's very tight between Chelsea United and Sheffield.
They will have to if they wanna attend the game, simple as.
The other problem is that finishing the league based on current positions means that we'll never know if Chelsea would've picked up required points in their remaining fixtures to maintain that position. Same with Leicester and possibly whoever finishes 5th depending on City's CL ban.Not quite, if the season ended now and any of Leicester, City or ourselves did not get into the CL, it'd be unfair. As current standings would have us qualified. On that basis, UEFA could refuse entry to someone who finished below 4th, and hand it to one of the current top 4.
However, the only loophole in that instance would be whether City will get their ban upheld. Utd would get in, then
It is not about greed. 13 clubs of 1st and 2nd Bundesliga will go broke before the end of the season if the season does not finish as then the TV stations do not have to pay the last part of the TV money. It is a business like all other businesses - and a lot people live from it, not just the football players.The German government might not sign off on the Bundesliga return, it feels a bit grotesque for football to return so early with thousands of people still dying. Driven by greed undoubtedly as well and moron fans who act like football is the most important thing in their life.
You think TV channels will let the league disintegrate like that? Destroy future income over a few games this season?It is not about greed. 13 clubs of 1st and 2nd Bundesliga will go broke before the end of the season if the season does not finish as then the TV stations do not have to pay the last part of the TV money. It is a business like all other businesses - and a lot people live from it, not just the football players.
And when you allow beauty parlors and hair dressers to start again next week - football is not less important and with a security concept for sure not more dangerous. I do not need to buy a 3rd winter jacket or my 10th pair of shoes or new pants - or flowers (they look better wild in nature) - but the shops for that are open now or will be opened soon.
Why is it any more grotesque than all the other things that are open? First of all, thousands of people aren't dying. The German state of Hesse just today reported a lower death rate since the middle of March than in previous years. Partly due to social distancing of course but across the country shopping malls, schools, DIY stores and other businesses are reopening. Even small demonstrations are allowed again so why should football not follow suit?The German government might not sign off on the Bundesliga return, it feels a bit grotesque for football to return so early with thousands of people still dying. Driven by greed undoubtedly as well and moron fans who act like football is the most important thing in their life.
didn’t Liverpool qualify for the CL when they weren’t entitled to, and the rules were changed to accommodate them?If current placings are final and Utd qualify for the CL as a result of City's ban and then go on to win it will there be an asterisk beside it? Asking for a friend.
Just as it would be unfair to base it on current league standings, as Chelsea are 3 points ahead of United but have had the benefit of having a much easier fixture listNot quite, if the season ended now and any of Leicester, City or ourselves did not get into the CL, it'd be unfair. As current standings would have us qualified. On that basis, UEFA could refuse entry to someone who finished below 4th, and hand it to one of the current top 4.
However, the only loophole in that instance would be whether City will get their ban upheld. Utd would get in, then
There's no real option that will leave everyone happy though.UEFA are essentially doing their bit to force the various leagues by stating it has to be based on 19/20 merits, which is a proper dick move which will leave several clubs very unhappy with the outcome. In the long run they might regret that decision