Yes each believes they got it right but its only the USA that has 6 year olds killing more of their own citizens than Isis.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
There isn't one. Officially it's still the 38 year old runner in late February but they freely acknowledge he is not really the first case.
At the moment genetic sequencing suggests the virus first came to Italy from Shanghai via Germany some time in January, but they are now investigating a spike in pneumonia cases and deaths in a small area south of Milan in November and December. They are talking about exhuming some of the bodies to test them for Covid-19.
I’d imagine London has commuters flying in/out from most EU countries. Certainly hundreds of people from Dublin getting Monday/Friday flights to London every week.
Good f*cking grief. 'Get back to work, stupid peasants. Time is money.':
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So it took them what a couple of week to tell the WHO from first reports and a few more weeks before they started to tell the world? When should they have locked down to stop it spreading in your opinion?
I have little forgiveness for this idea that China let it spread when they locked down far quicker than most nations stopped inbound flights and leaders dismissed it as nonsense. I genuinely don't think other nations would have done any better and probably worse if anything considering how soft touch we are comparatively.
The conditions that caused first human transmission sure but everything else is a diversionary blame game.
Alsl I don't believe many of these unconfirmed December cases, unless they'd been to China the chances are remote. I had something which now I'd think was covid but it was clearly just the usual flu/influenza viruses circilating and it's human nature to connect the two.
Case in point, the idea that if we'd have had this virus circulate here say within Manchester we'd have locked the entire country down within a few weeks is clearly unicorn stuff.
By the sounds of it the public want an extended lockdown, possibly a couple more afterwards although I imagine furlough ending will shift opinion quite substantially.
Furthermore I hope testing public opinion is the last thing they base their decisions on, I wouldn't trust the average member of the public as far as I can throw them.
I'm just worried like you are. Compassion is still very important to me.
The number of people thinking virus is a hoax is growing every day here. Overheard conversation in a supermarket yesterday between two ladies convinced virus doesn't exist because 'they don't personally know anyone who have had it'. For context, there has been less than 100 confirmed cases in Krakow which has over 1 million population. People can't believe there are hundreds of people in agglomeration of over 1 million that they do not personally know. Wow.
I wonder if anyone follow that type of logic with aids, Ebola or frostbite.
Can they explain how usa china and russia agreed to work together on this?
What about iran and israel?
If someone can give me a good tinfoil hat explanation for that I'll believe its a lie
Actually I've met people who do. I know a person who doesn't think HIV/AIDS exist, they were invented by big pharma and governments to control people and make money.
We're in position here where the spread has been largely controlled with still under a thousand victims in the whole country. Because we've done good job controlling the situation people do not understand seriousness and severity of it. If we were in similar position as Italy or Spain with people dying in thousands every week, then perhaps those idiots would have noticed virus is real.
I don't know Sarni, the UK is about as bad as Italy and Spain but we've still got plenty of idiots who think they should be allowed to do what they want. There are always those who find it hard to get the link between actions and consequences, they're just blinded by what they want in the moment.
Government advertising: 'Stay at home, save lives'.
Tory MP: 'People have been a little too willing to save lives'.
Yeah quite possibly. People are saying 'governments cannot tell us what to do and what to not do' when this is exactly what has been happening for centuries and rightly so. I mean if your preference is to drive your car on pavement instead of road, you cannot do that either. If you want to drive down the left lane instead of right like we are supposed to, you also can't really do that either. If you want to kill your neighbor, you are not allowed to do that either. WHY ARE GOVERNMENTS CONTROLLING US LIKE THAT
There is a NHS colorectal surgeon who's posted on youtube regurgitated some bullshit about covid being a hoax, he's already been reported to the GMC which saved me the trouble of doing so, I did flag up the youtube video as dangerous content but its still up there so far.
A big part of it is that taking down these videos and deplatforming them feeds into conspiracy theorists more but I do believe that their views are dangerous and shouldn't be propagated
Fortunately I have challenged all my friends and family on social media and in real life with evidence of debunking to popular claims
Things like covid is a hoax, covid is manmade/lab generated, cures, 5G links have all been thoroughly debunked. I don't argue with people online too much but in real life I have found that those who share whatsapp messages or regurgitate them are amenable to being corrected on covid.
Being a doctor a lot of family members have approached me (sincerely) asking questions to things they've heard on whatsapp etc. Rather than dismissing them as gullible etc I do now take a more empathetic route to talk them through it.
I think critical thinking with regards to pseudoscience is a skill we have to somehow look into incorporating into society a lot more.
Sorry for not being more knowledgeable on this subject. I'd like to ask: are there organisations which would benefit from 5G having a bad reputation & so, perhaps, being abandoned by governments?
I ask this because I suspect that the recent anti-lockdown protests in America have their impetus from people or groups who want the lockdown ended for monetary reasons; and wondered if the 5G controversy was also rooted in similar shenanigans.
I ask this because I suspect that the recent anti-lockdown protests in America have their impetus from people or groups who want the lockdown ended for monetary reasons; and wondered if the 5G controversy was also rooted in similar shenanigans.
I've been asked to take a corticosteroid nasal spray(momesatone) for a couple of weeks for allergic rhinitis. Is that safe with covid19 around? @Arruda or anyone else, please?
I really should've asked the doctor, and it struck me only when I got home.
I really should've asked the doctor, and it struck me only when I got home.
I don't think so, Steve. I'm not aware of any alternatives to 5G. It's new technology, which sometimes frightens people and its release happened to coincide with the virus, enabling a certain type of people to monetize that fear.
I take a similar drug daily. No risks. You'll feel a whole lot better, though.
There's not getting it right then there's predicting 200 million people will die from a disease that in the end killed less than 300. The prediction from swine flu (65,000 people projected to die in the UK, only 457 do) is also way off.
Thanks, mate.
Could it be, though, that organisations specialising in 4G & other tech might prefer the current status quo to remain?
Wasn’t the early 5G rollout in the US (pre virus) associated with a lot of anti Chinese sentiment? I remember Trump being an asshole about the Uk going ahead with it, while it was stalled in the US. Don’t think there was any corporation behind the scepticism. Just the US government being protectionist and obstructive about tech which they perceive to benefit the Chinese economy.
This has confused me. The UK is now firmly up there with Italy and Spain but still so many people are out and about and not taking it seriously and claims of hoaxes and overreactions are not exactly uncommon either. In Italy and Spain you'd have to search far into the backpages to find any dissenting view of the lockdowns, if it was ever printed in the first place. I had thought when thousands started dying the UK would wake up too.
I don't think you appreciate what reasonable ranges on some estimates look like. When dealing with exponential growth, the difference between a few catching the disease and it being stopped at source, and that snowballing into something vast is a very fine margin. Surely what we are now experiencing shows that the swine flu estimate doesn't look that over the top? Swine flu could have easily manifested like this. So could have SARS.
That was a legitimate fear. Letting a foreign company with very close ties to an authoritarian enemy government build your mobile data network is pretty fecking stupid.
The issue started when China basically won the 5G race against the West and a lot of Western countries chose to work with China and implement their infrastructure, instead of waiting for a Western equivalent coming from the US or another top Western country.Thanks, mate.
Could it be, though, that organisations specialising in 4G & other tech might prefer the current status quo to remain?
At least those are my observations on the matter.
Now that you mention it, Huawei is the leader in 5G technology if I'm not mistaken and the negative press around it seemed to have gained pace around the time of the US-China feud.
Was the foreign company actually building the network though? I thought they invented the tech but were reliant on other telcom companies to adapt their networks to the new specs? Miles outside my area of expertise here!
Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...
There might be a slight cost benefit to the status quo; however, nothing is better than upgrading your tech so you can charge customers more.Thanks, mate.
Could it be, though, that organisations specialising in 4G & other tech might prefer the current status quo to remain?
There's also the risk that a competitor will upgrade and win your existing clients with better service, making a desire to retain the current setup unlikely.
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Cheaper for the telecoms, I presume.
As far as I know, Huawei at least supplies the main bits of infrastructure. That's pretty risky considering what we know about how smartphones and apps can be exploited. I'd imagine they'd be able to take over a nation's entire network if they wanted and at the very least siphon off whatever data they wanted at any time.
Because realistically, a relatively small country like the UK can't put all his eggs in the same basket, particular when the US basket is full of snakes.
They are already able to do that though and funnily enough the US routinely tell us that they know everything that is happening in foreign countries.
Yeah, I'm surprised countries even entertained that idea of letting Huawei build their networks.
No, the nation that queues and plays the game does seem to have more selfish shitheads in it's ranks as well. I blame Thatcher.