SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Zexstream]

Well you seem quite objectionable.

Are people not allowed opinions?

What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?

 

[Kag]

Are people not allowed opinions?

What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?

Lots of children go hungry.

 

[Withnail]

In the video she claims she is not against vaccines, she worked towards making them, thus she is being discredited unfairly.

Is it so hard for people to listen to someone and make their own minds up?

The very idea that the global pandemic was planned is fanciful to say the least.

It really doesn't warrant wasting anymore of anyone's time.

As @horsechoker said a lot of these types of vids get taken down because they are misinformation rather than that they are being silenced because they're on to something.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

In the video she claims she is not against vaccines, she worked towards making them, thus she is being discredited unfairly.

Is it so hard for people to listen to someone and make their own minds up?

To be honest I have listened to you and my mind is quite made up, thanks.

 

[LordNinio]

You can feed your kids absolute shite for pennies, I don’t think anyone disputes that. If you want to give them the fresh vegetables and good sources of protein they need and deserve then it costs a lot more.

I generally find we can buy a mountain of fruit and veg for £20, it's the other 10% of extras and crap that mount up.

 

[Dan_F]

Are people not allowed opinions?

What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?

Parents get in debt, eat less food themselves, go to food banks. It’s not hard to see the statistics, or do you think they’re making it up?

 

[Zexstream]

Lots of children go hungry.

Hence my point, why?

You can buy cheap food, ive done it on the dole, why cant parents do it today?

I think we can all agree though, No child should ever go hungry.

 

[dumbo]

Are people not allowed opinions?

What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?

Please have your opinion, but when it's scurrilous anti-poor crap and bullshit conspiracy videos can I ask you please, just for me, only post them once and then move on. This thread is grim enough without clogging it up with that nastiness.

 

[LordNinio]

The very idea that the global pandemic was planned is fanciful to say the least.

It really doesn't warrant wasting anymore of anyone's time.

As @horsechoker said a lot of these types of vids get taken down because they are misinformation rather than that they are being silenced because they're on to something.

Exactly this. Someone on my Facebook feed keeps sharing the link to it, those that believe it take it being deleted as proof that it's real. Drives me nuts

 

[Zexstream]

Parents get in debt, eat less food themselves, go to food banks. It’s not hard to see the statistics, or do you think they’re making it up?

I left the UK a few years back and moved to Ireland.

Maybe things have got worse, I don't know, but when I lived and worked in the UK and was on the dole I managed to feed my children. Sure, things could get tough but we managed.

 

[Pexbo]

So school meals have improved vastly then, Michel 5 star stuff?

Michel 5 stars? What’s that then?

 

[Zexstream]

Please have your opinion, but when it's scurrilous anti-poor crap and bullshit conspiracy videos can I ask you please, just for me, only post them once and then move on. This thread is grim enough without clogging it up with that nastiness.

I did only post it once, anything posted afterwards was in reply to people asking questions.

 

[Dan_F]

Hence my point, why?

You can buy cheap food, ive done it on the dole, why cant parents do it today?

I think we can all agree though, No child should ever go hungry.

It’s widely reported how many problems there have been with universal credit. What would have happened to you if those dole payments got delayed by a month or two?

 

[Kag]

Hence my point, why?

You can buy cheap food, ive done it on the dole, why cant parents do it today?

I think we can all agree though, No child should ever go hungry.

Because they don’t have the money. They may owe money. They may feel like they need to prioritise school uniform, or medicine, or the heating bills, so that their children can get washed, or feel warm. They need to sustain nutritious meals three times a day over the period of a week. Or there’s the food banks, which are already over-used and struggling to cater for demand in some instances.

I teach in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the whole of the UK. Take it from me, hungry children remains a very real problem.

 

[Zexstream]

It’s widely reported how many problems there have been with universal credit. What would have happened to you if those dole payments got delayed by a month or two?

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I think its a scandal how they defer the payments, that is a whole different point though.

I am simply asking why parents in full receipt of their welfare payments are unable to find a few quid to feed their children a bit of lunch.

 

[nimic]

I can't believe this thread has turned into a discussion on the nature of poverty. It's amazing that this conversation needs to be had in the first place.

 

[golden_blunder]

Hope she tests negative and avoids it. My father in law is in one of only 2 care homes out of 70 in my city that don't have it. It just feels like you're waiting for it to happen doesn't it?

Yep for sure, it’s pretty inevitable really. The staff just come and go, was a matter of time

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I get that and I get why we had a lockdown in the short term because the NHS was at risk of being overwhelmed...all of this that you are saying though, the actual science doesn't back any of it up. THe science suggests that in the longer term the economic impacts and the continuing effect of the virus itself will mean the measures we've taken here could well have cost lives rather than saved them. With science you don't just take one variable and ignore literally everything else. You would factor in the people who ARE dying because they can't get care, who are dying because of stress, mental health, not being looked after, loss of income. You factor in the many more who will fall under the same umbrella due to the economic impact of the biggest recession in history (which has been caused primarily by lockdown, not the virus). You factor in the percentage of people who have died of corona virus who would have been likely to die within the same time frame as these economic factors (what you will see is the expected death numbers will drop well below average when the virus subsides)...how many fit and healthy people have died of corona virus in the UK? I don't have an actual definite number but the figures I have seen have only been in the hundreds. You have to factor in the effect on the quiility of life for the people you are most aiming to protect. It's no good saving someone if you make the rest of their life lonely and miserable, because you aren't going to make them live forever. We'd all live longer on average for example if none of us ever got in a car again (over 25,000 less deaths or serious injuries a year straight away). We'd all live longer if none of us drunk alcohol ever again...where do you draw the line with stuff like that?

It's actually quite ridiculous how blinkered and tunnel visioned people's views are on this. The reality is we are dealing with a virus that has a mortality rate of less than 1%....and we have CREATED a global catastrophe that will take many years to fix in order to "fight" the virus...and actually when you look at the number of deaths against the mortality and infection rate it's seriously up for debate how effective these tactics have even been in a lot of countries. Look at the deaths in Germany compared to here...that is an example of an effective way to combat an epidemic vs an unsuccesful one. You can dress up the numbers how you want but there's no way that 30,000 deaths (and counting) looks like an effective strategy at this point. A strategy that causes so much damage and effect sliterally everyone so severely should be with the aim of MAXIMISING the number of people you save...not whatever half arsed attempt at something the UK have made can be called. We still can't even test people in care homes...the exact people this is meant to be to help protect.

When you go on about us saving thousands of lives a day, what are you even basing this on? There are problems here that will take years and years to resolve. There is the impending second wave which we will at present be in no shape at all to cope with. There is the fact that all these at risk people who have been locked up for 3 months, aren't suddenly going to turn healthy or no longer be at risk when you let them back out. A significant number of them will be much less healthy than before. What are you going to do towards the end of the year and every winter from now on? Keep locking them back up again? It is not a viable plan. It isn't even the basis on which to make one around.

It's not a black and white case of just hiding in the cupboard until the monster hopefully leaves the room like a majority of people seem to think it is. It's a very complicated problem, that needs some very smart people in charge of managing it and that isn't something we have had here at any point. There are data based models out there telling you that after 3 weeks a lockdown starts causing more damage than it saves. There's statistical data out there telling you that something as simple as austerity can be linked to nearly HALF A MILLION deaths. Imagine what a prolonged massive economic recession coupled with the fact it wont actually cause the virus to go away will do by comparison. If 30,000 is a tragedy what is a number that has some more zeros on the end of it? Because that's a very genuine possibility as things stand.

Sorry noods but the first paragraph is bunkum. There’s no “actual science” which confirms lockdown kills more people than the virus. Nobody knows for sure but the balance of evidence is that the reverse is true. Your theory only works if life immediately snaps back to normal if we immediately stopped all lockdown measures. Which is obviously not going to happen.

We know what is going to happen if we allow the virus spread unchecked. You talk about a mortality rate of “less than 1%” This is in a completely naive population of 7 billion people. No inherent immunity. If No vaccine. If just two thirds of the UK population end up infected - and we assume a mortality rate of 0.5% - that would be over 200000 dead. Which would most likely happen in the next 12 months. The hospitals WILL be overwhelmed. Tens of thousands more people WILL die. Including many thousands who are young, fit and healthy. Those are facts. The consequences of these facts are less certain but the sensible money would be on the 24 news coverage of this horror would scare the shit out of everyone, forcing a large proportion of the country into self imposed lockdown. Which will, in turn, screw the economy regardless. Not to mention the effects of a decimated workforce and a steep decline in public health when the NHS runs out of resources (hospital beds, personnel) to try and treat illnesses other than covid. Imagine living in a world where a car crash could leave mangled people to slowly bleed out on the road because there isn’t an ambulance available to pick them up. Would you be happy to drive on a motorway?

Obviously, the current lockdown can’t continue indefinitely. Equally obviously (or so I thought) the parallel universe where the UK stuck with their original “herd immunity strategy “ would have the UK in a MUCH bigger shit show than you’re in right now. Getting the balance right between the opposing scenarios is the tricky bit but looking at the experience of the various other countries around the world, closing down early and closing down hard seems to result in the best outcome, in terms of lives lost and speed at which life can return to (relative) normality again. The one exception would be South Korea and most well-run countries seem to aspire to their model but are struggling to get their testing and contact tracing capacity as finely tuned as their is. Which can take a while. But make no mistake, even South Korea have had to radically change the way their society functions. There just isn’t any other option. No matter how hard people find all this social distancing we really don’t have any choice. The alternative is just too horrific.

 

[Zexstream]

Because they don’t have the money. They may owe money. They may feel like they need to prioritise school uniform, or medicine, or the heating bills, so that their children can get washed, or feel warm. They need to sustain nutritious meals three times a day over the period of a week. Or there’s the food banks, which are already over-used and struggling to cater for demand in some instances.

I teach in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the whole of the UK. Take it from me, hungry children remains a very real problem.

I have been there, so I know what it's like.

You have easy bankruptcy laws to get out of debt if needed. medicine is free is it not on the NHS?
Nobody is saying its easy, but Jesus, if you can't feed your children a bit of lunch during school times whilst on benefits then the UK has gone backwards since I left.

 

[Zexstream]

I can't believe this thread has turned into a discussion on the nature of poverty. It's amazing that this conversation needs to be had in the first place.

Agreed, ill say no more on the subject.

 

[Dan_F]

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I think its a scandal how they defer the payments, that is a whole different point though.

I am simply asking why parents in full receipt of their welfare payments are unable to find a few quid to feed their children a bit of lunch.

Look, it’s great you were able to do that, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is in the same position to do so. I’ll stop now, as the thread is off topic, but you have as much empathy as Iain Duncan Smith.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Where did I say I was smart?

I just asked if anyone had watched the video, heard about it etc. Just looking for feedback regarding their views from it.

It’s horseshit. This is a waste of time and air. Don’t watch it. Don’t promote it. End your discussion.

Not because there’s a hidden truth, but because it’s all horseshit.

 

[Kag]

I have been there, so I know what it's like.

You have easy bankruptcy laws to get out of debt if needed. medicine is free is it not on the NHS?
Nobody is saying its easy, but Jesus, if you can't feed your children a bit of lunch during school times whilst on benefits then the UK has gone backwards since I left.

This is the issue. Some of the families I am referring to aren’t on what you would typically determine as ‘benefits’.

Perhaps it has gone backwards; I don’t feel like I’m really in a position to comment on that. But I do know that poverty is real, hungry children is far too common, and the gap between the advantaged and disadvantaged continues to grow (even moreso given the ongoing secondary effects of lockdown). That is an entirely different rabbit hole, mind you.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

So school meals have improved vastly then, Michel 5 star stuff?

You need to go and read some books. You cannot possibly be this thick.

 

[SteveJ]

I was on Job Seekers Allowance for a time during the mid-2000's; I am now on Universal Credit; both of these benefits were/are the most fundamental, basic kinds of JSA and UC; I have no debts, no dependents, and no extra financial responsibilities since the mid-2000s...yet I am £21 per week worse-off on Universal Credit in 2020 than I was while on Job Seekers Allowance in the mid-2000's.
None of the above features rent payments, by the way - I've omitted them in order to concentrate on the very basic cost of living. That extra £21 could feed me for the week...

 

[jojojo]

Are people not allowed opinions?

What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?

https://www.urbanoutreach.co.uk/portfolio-posts/bl_bolton_lunches/

 

[JPRouve]

You need to go and read some books. You cannot possibly be this thick.

That's reminiscent of porridge which is a cheap meal, right?

 

[SteveJ]

'The White House is reportedly blocking the release of CDC guidance on reopening businesses. According to reports, the guidance urges businesses to slowly reopen while continuing to observe social distancing, while the president has pushed for a rapid reopening despite fears of a surge in coronavirus cases.' (Guardian)

 

[Sweet Square]

I don't think the sort of people that need help with meals are paying £3 for Jam! Asda own jam (not even smartprice) is 65p.

The only way to get to my local asda is by bus or car.

Are people not allowed opinions?

Sadly they are, it's one of worst aspects of this site.

 

[sammsky1]

 

[Wibble]

In the video she speaks about this, she was jailed without charge for speaking against the system.

Again, im not suggesting what she says is fact, but I can well imagine someone that does go against the system would ultimately be discredited.

I have watched it and found it interesting, im still not sold on the Hoax idea, but I do like to see alternative news and facts.

She was arrested for stealing from her employer but wasn't charged. She wasn't jailed for saying anything.

She is an anti-vaxer, conspiracy theory nutcase who makes things up as she goes alone. Assume every word she says is a lie.

Even her claim about her former research career is wrong. Her work had to be withdrawn from publication as she copied another researchers results from an entirely different study to shown a virus was the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome. This wasn't caught until the results couldn't be replicated and the data theft and misapropriation was discovered. She was sacked, arrested for theft and Science (journal) withdrew the published paper. She is despicable and dangerous.

 

[Im red2]

What is tinfoil hat silliness?

 

[Wibble]

Why is it so hard for parents to feed their own kids to begin with?

Whats a loaf of bread, jam and butter cost ? , no more than a quid Id wager.


What do these parents do in summer?

Let them eat cake?

 

[Wibble]

What is tinfoil hat silliness?

Conspiracy theory idiocy. Flat earthers, Illuminati, Qanon, anti-vaxxers, Coronavirus is a hoax - that sort of rubbish.

 

[Im red2]

Conspiracy theory idiocy. Flat earthers, Illuminati, Qanon, anti-vaxxers, Coronavirus is a hoax - that sort of rubbish.

Good answer let us see how it all works out.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I don't think the sort of people that need help with meals are paying £3 for Jam! Asda own jam (not even smartprice) is 65p.

Not that it's the best thing to buy anyway, a bag of porridge is £1 and along with milk would do breakfast for a family for a good few days.

Edit : I'm fortunate that I've never needed a food bank or help like that. But I buy that jam.

Smart Price Jam is 28p for 484g. I’ve got some in my fridge. I was curious as to what it would taste like at that price point. It’s not too bad. Asda smart price tomato soup is like 25p a can. It doesn’t taste much different to Heinz.

 

[jymufc20]

What is tinfoil hat silliness?

Things like posting about covid-19 being in the Bible and here comes the apocalypse, that sort of stuff.

 

[Rado_N]

So a member of staff in my mums care home has tested positive. We’ve had to give permission for mum to be tested now. Was half expecting it but hoping they’d all avoid it.

Hope your mum is ok mate, let us know how she gets on.

 

[Rado_N]

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Glad to see people looking into the really important issues here.

STCV

 

[Im red2]

Things like posting about covid-19 being in the Bible and here comes the apocalypse, that sort of stuff.

You have every right to your opinion.