Zexstream
Anti-anti-racist
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Are people not allowed opinions?Well you seem quite objectionable.
What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?
Are people not allowed opinions?Well you seem quite objectionable.
Lots of children go hungry.Are people not allowed opinions?
What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?
The very idea that the global pandemic was planned is fanciful to say the least.In the video she claims she is not against vaccines, she worked towards making them, thus she is being discredited unfairly.
Is it so hard for people to listen to someone and make their own minds up?
To be honest I have listened to you and my mind is quite made up, thanks.In the video she claims she is not against vaccines, she worked towards making them, thus she is being discredited unfairly.
Is it so hard for people to listen to someone and make their own minds up?
I generally find we can buy a mountain of fruit and veg for £20, it's the other 10% of extras and crap that mount up.You can feed your kids absolute shite for pennies, I don’t think anyone disputes that. If you want to give them the fresh vegetables and good sources of protein they need and deserve then it costs a lot more.
Parents get in debt, eat less food themselves, go to food banks. It’s not hard to see the statistics, or do you think they’re making it up?Are people not allowed opinions?
What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?
Hence my point, why?Lots of children go hungry.
Please have your opinion, but when it's scurrilous anti-poor crap and bullshit conspiracy videos can I ask you please, just for me, only post them once and then move on. This thread is grim enough without clogging it up with that nastiness.Are people not allowed opinions?
What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?
Exactly this. Someone on my Facebook feed keeps sharing the link to it, those that believe it take it being deleted as proof that it's real. Drives me nutsThe very idea that the global pandemic was planned is fanciful to say the least.
It really doesn't warrant wasting anymore of anyone's time.
As @horsechoker said a lot of these types of vids get taken down because they are misinformation rather than that they are being silenced because they're on to something.
I left the UK a few years back and moved to Ireland.Parents get in debt, eat less food themselves, go to food banks. It’s not hard to see the statistics, or do you think they’re making it up?
Michel 5 stars? What’s that then?So school meals have improved vastly then, Michel 5 star stuff?
I did only post it once, anything posted afterwards was in reply to people asking questions.Please have your opinion, but when it's scurrilous anti-poor crap and bullshit conspiracy videos can I ask you please, just for me, only post them once and then move on. This thread is grim enough without clogging it up with that nastiness.
It’s widely reported how many problems there have been with universal credit. What would have happened to you if those dole payments got delayed by a month or two?Hence my point, why?
You can buy cheap food, ive done it on the dole, why cant parents do it today?
I think we can all agree though, No child should ever go hungry.
Because they don’t have the money. They may owe money. They may feel like they need to prioritise school uniform, or medicine, or the heating bills, so that their children can get washed, or feel warm. They need to sustain nutritious meals three times a day over the period of a week. Or there’s the food banks, which are already over-used and struggling to cater for demand in some instances.Hence my point, why?
You can buy cheap food, ive done it on the dole, why cant parents do it today?
I think we can all agree though, No child should ever go hungry.
oIt’s widely reported how many problems there have been with universal credit. What would have happened to you if those dole payments got delayed by a month or two?
Yep for sure, it’s pretty inevitable really. The staff just come and go, was a matter of timeHope she tests negative and avoids it. My father in law is in one of only 2 care homes out of 70 in my city that don't have it. It just feels like you're waiting for it to happen doesn't it?
Sorry noods but the first paragraph is bunkum. There’s no “actual science” which confirms lockdown kills more people than the virus. Nobody knows for sure but the balance of evidence is that the reverse is true. Your theory only works if life immediately snaps back to normal if we immediately stopped all lockdown measures. Which is obviously not going to happen.I get that and I get why we had a lockdown in the short term because the NHS was at risk of being overwhelmed...all of this that you are saying though, the actual science doesn't back any of it up. THe science suggests that in the longer term the economic impacts and the continuing effect of the virus itself will mean the measures we've taken here could well have cost lives rather than saved them. With science you don't just take one variable and ignore literally everything else. You would factor in the people who ARE dying because they can't get care, who are dying because of stress, mental health, not being looked after, loss of income. You factor in the many more who will fall under the same umbrella due to the economic impact of the biggest recession in history (which has been caused primarily by lockdown, not the virus). You factor in the percentage of people who have died of corona virus who would have been likely to die within the same time frame as these economic factors (what you will see is the expected death numbers will drop well below average when the virus subsides)...how many fit and healthy people have died of corona virus in the UK? I don't have an actual definite number but the figures I have seen have only been in the hundreds. You have to factor in the effect on the quiility of life for the people you are most aiming to protect. It's no good saving someone if you make the rest of their life lonely and miserable, because you aren't going to make them live forever. We'd all live longer on average for example if none of us ever got in a car again (over 25,000 less deaths or serious injuries a year straight away). We'd all live longer if none of us drunk alcohol ever again...where do you draw the line with stuff like that?
It's actually quite ridiculous how blinkered and tunnel visioned people's views are on this. The reality is we are dealing with a virus that has a mortality rate of less than 1%....and we have CREATED a global catastrophe that will take many years to fix in order to "fight" the virus...and actually when you look at the number of deaths against the mortality and infection rate it's seriously up for debate how effective these tactics have even been in a lot of countries. Look at the deaths in Germany compared to here...that is an example of an effective way to combat an epidemic vs an unsuccesful one. You can dress up the numbers how you want but there's no way that 30,000 deaths (and counting) looks like an effective strategy at this point. A strategy that causes so much damage and effect sliterally everyone so severely should be with the aim of MAXIMISING the number of people you save...not whatever half arsed attempt at something the UK have made can be called. We still can't even test people in care homes...the exact people this is meant to be to help protect.
When you go on about us saving thousands of lives a day, what are you even basing this on? There are problems here that will take years and years to resolve. There is the impending second wave which we will at present be in no shape at all to cope with. There is the fact that all these at risk people who have been locked up for 3 months, aren't suddenly going to turn healthy or no longer be at risk when you let them back out. A significant number of them will be much less healthy than before. What are you going to do towards the end of the year and every winter from now on? Keep locking them back up again? It is not a viable plan. It isn't even the basis on which to make one around.
It's not a black and white case of just hiding in the cupboard until the monster hopefully leaves the room like a majority of people seem to think it is. It's a very complicated problem, that needs some very smart people in charge of managing it and that isn't something we have had here at any point. There are data based models out there telling you that after 3 weeks a lockdown starts causing more damage than it saves. There's statistical data out there telling you that something as simple as austerity can be linked to nearly HALF A MILLION deaths. Imagine what a prolonged massive economic recession coupled with the fact it wont actually cause the virus to go away will do by comparison. If 30,000 is a tragedy what is a number that has some more zeros on the end of it? Because that's a very genuine possibility as things stand.
I have been there, so I know what it's like.Because they don’t have the money. They may owe money. They may feel like they need to prioritise school uniform, or medicine, or the heating bills, so that their children can get washed, or feel warm. They need to sustain nutritious meals three times a day over the period of a week. Or there’s the food banks, which are already over-used and struggling to cater for demand in some instances.
I teach in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the whole of the UK. Take it from me, hungry children remains a very real problem.
Agreed, ill say no more on the subject.I can't believe this thread has turned into a discussion on the nature of poverty. It's amazing that this conversation needs to be had in the first place.
Look, it’s great you were able to do that, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is in the same position to do so. I’ll stop now, as the thread is off topic, but you have as much empathy as Iain Duncan Smith.o
I think its a scandal how they defer the payments, that is a whole different point though.
I am simply asking why parents in full receipt of their welfare payments are unable to find a few quid to feed their children a bit of lunch.
It’s horseshit. This is a waste of time and air. Don’t watch it. Don’t promote it. End your discussion.Where did I say I was smart?
I just asked if anyone had watched the video, heard about it etc. Just looking for feedback regarding their views from it.
This is the issue. Some of the families I am referring to aren’t on what you would typically determine as ‘benefits’.I have been there, so I know what it's like.
You have easy bankruptcy laws to get out of debt if needed. medicine is free is it not on the NHS?
Nobody is saying its easy, but Jesus, if you can't feed your children a bit of lunch during school times whilst on benefits then the UK has gone backwards since I left.
You need to go and read some books. You cannot possibly be this thick.So school meals have improved vastly then, Michel 5 star stuff?
https://www.urbanoutreach.co.uk/portfolio-posts/bl_bolton_lunches/Are people not allowed opinions?
What happens in the summertime when schools are out, how do these parents cope without a free school meal?
That's reminiscent of porridge which is a cheap meal, right?You need to go and read some books. You cannot possibly be this thick.
The only way to get to my local asda is by bus or car.I don't think the sort of people that need help with meals are paying £3 for Jam! Asda own jam (not even smartprice) is 65p.
Sadly they are, it's one of worst aspects of this site.Are people not allowed opinions?
She was arrested for stealing from her employer but wasn't charged. She wasn't jailed for saying anything.In the video she speaks about this, she was jailed without charge for speaking against the system.
Again, im not suggesting what she says is fact, but I can well imagine someone that does go against the system would ultimately be discredited.
I have watched it and found it interesting, im still not sold on the Hoax idea, but I do like to see alternative news and facts.
Let them eat cake?Why is it so hard for parents to feed their own kids to begin with?
Whats a loaf of bread, jam and butter cost ? , no more than a quid Id wager.
What do these parents do in summer?
Conspiracy theory idiocy. Flat earthers, Illuminati, Qanon, anti-vaxxers, Coronavirus is a hoax - that sort of rubbish.What is tinfoil hat silliness?
Good answer let us see how it all works out.Conspiracy theory idiocy. Flat earthers, Illuminati, Qanon, anti-vaxxers, Coronavirus is a hoax - that sort of rubbish.
Smart Price Jam is 28p for 484g. I’ve got some in my fridge. I was curious as to what it would taste like at that price point. It’s not too bad. Asda smart price tomato soup is like 25p a can. It doesn’t taste much different to Heinz.I don't think the sort of people that need help with meals are paying £3 for Jam! Asda own jam (not even smartprice) is 65p.
Not that it's the best thing to buy anyway, a bag of porridge is £1 and along with milk would do breakfast for a family for a good few days.
Edit : I'm fortunate that I've never needed a food bank or help like that. But I buy that jam.
Things like posting about covid-19 being in the Bible and here comes the apocalypse, that sort of stuff.What is tinfoil hat silliness?
Hope your mum is ok mate, let us know how she gets on.So a member of staff in my mums care home has tested positive. We’ve had to give permission for mum to be tested now. Was half expecting it but hoping they’d all avoid it.
You have every right to your opinion.Things like posting about covid-19 being in the Bible and here comes the apocalypse, that sort of stuff.