One thing is for certain, if they abandon this season and award the league to Liverpool then we have to make sure we start next season, whenever that may be, perfectly and make sure we're on top throughout in case it gets abandoned again.
They always want more though.Same with CL. With Chelsea and ManCity. And UEFA will never allow leagues to go before. That is why they are pressing clubs.
Players will be alright. They have tons of money.
Regardless of whether or not this season is able to be completed it doesn't change the fact that next season whenever that eventually starts and whatever format it is in. It is highly likely to be disrupted by a second wave, so there are going to have to be discussions and agreements made before the season starts about what happens if the season has to be suspended again or even abandoned. To not have those discussions would be naively optimistic or irresponsible.This after abandoning this season and all the financial impact that will have had? Don't get me wrong I get it, but I can't see how clubs are expected to be so passive as to just say lets abandon this season as cannot 100 % guarantee that everything will be safe, and then if the inevitable second wave comes at any point next season then just abandon it all over again, because it's the right thing to do, etc.
If the sponsors, and TV broadcasters are going to guarantee them the money they are expecting, or if not people are going to be ok with the government stepping in to pay their bills, then fair enough, but they won't.
Like clockwork.Only 3 minutes later
I agree.Why until the pandemic is over? Just make it permanent
That is right. But if clubs go at war against certain players clubs will lose in the end. Players have to much power and money. But that is another subject.They always want more though.
I agree, but my main point has always been that football should absolutely be looking to make the most of any window of opportunity that might be on offer to finish this season, as the main part to that 'window' could well be June, July, August, and September, a time at which very little club football is usually played.Regardless of whether or not this season is able to be completed it doesn't change the fact that next season whenever that eventually starts and whatever format it is in. It is highly likely to be disrupted by a second wave, so there are going to have to be discussions and agreements made before the season starts about what happens if the season has to be suspended again or even abandoned. To not have those discussions would be naively optimistic or irresponsible.
a month or so ago (seems like ages now), there was a banner post (Niall?) saying if Liverpool win the league, most LFC posters are getting binned from the Caf.And the shock horror that it's a dipper fan at it .
The cafe should have put all Liverpool supporters on furlough from this forum until the pandemic is over .
fuller piece here ....Interesting comments from the Watford Chairman
'No semblance of sporting integrity'
"I, of course, absolutely accept we cannot have supporters in the stadium," Duxbury wrote in The Times. "That goes without saying in the present situation.
"However, we are now told we cannot play our remaining home games at Vicarage Road and the familiarity and advantage that brings. This against a backdrop of players who, having seen their lives turned upside down along with the rest of the world, are suddenly expected to perform as if nothing has happened, despite the rest of society probably still facing the kind of restrictions unenforceable on a football pitch.
"We have club medical staff working under conditions that no doctor or physio has ever experienced with guidelines that, in no small part, are based at this stage on supposition rather than scientific fact. And with all these compromises and health risks we are asked to finish a competition that bears no resemblance to the one we started, which could end a small club like Watford's time in the Premier League.
"So is this fair? Does it have any semblance of sporting integrity? Of course not."
fuller piece here ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52598311
Odd comments from Deputy Chief Constable
I don't think they can just award it to Liverpool as easily as the French league did to PSG. The rules are different from what I remember reading.One thing is for certain, if they abandon this season and award the league to Liverpool then we have to make sure we start next season, whenever that may be, perfectly and make sure we're on top throughout in case it gets abandoned again.
One more piece that will be intresting.fuller piece here ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52598311
Odd comments from Deputy Chief Constable
Will Wycombe do better on standard ppg or split home and away ppg? Where will you end up?So basically to summarise it's all a right old mess still.
And all that's happened is time has rolled by.
With the gov set to only slightly loosen the lockdown tomorrow and set another three weeks going, that's June.
So you either inexplicably allow football special dispensation, or that's June at earliest before they can even train properly as a group.
All we can be absolutely certain of, is that leagues one and two are done and that'll be announced this week. Only question is whether they settle on standard PPG or some nonsense with separate calcs on home and aways.
You really think that's what he was suggesting?Wait, so before this players were at zero risk playing football?
Interesting!
Yeah they should restart this season when its safe to do so but i think the window where they can do that is a lot shorter than you think. June/July at the latest anything beyond that and i think this season will be abandoned/voided/cancelled/curtailed etc. Rick Parry the EFL chairman said in the last few days that the season can't go beyond July 31st. I imagine the PL hold a similar view though they aren't making it public.I agree, but my main point has always been that football should absolutely be looking to make the most of any window of opportunity that might be on offer to finish this season, as the main part to that 'window' could well be June, July, August, and September, a time at which very little club football is usually played.
This could be miles off, and things might get worse (or no better) in the next few weeks, so it can't happen, but to not be in a position to restart if things turn out better would be stupid in the extreme, more so with the second wave primed to wreak havoc on next season just as it's getting going, but again this may never happen.
Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.Interesting comments from the Watford Chairman
'No semblance of sporting integrity'
"I, of course, absolutely accept we cannot have supporters in the stadium," Duxbury wrote in The Times. "That goes without saying in the present situation.
"However, we are now told we cannot play our remaining home games at Vicarage Road and the familiarity and advantage that brings. This against a backdrop of players who, having seen their lives turned upside down along with the rest of the world, are suddenly expected to perform as if nothing has happened, despite the rest of society probably still facing the kind of restrictions unenforceable on a football pitch.
"We have club medical staff working under conditions that no doctor or physio has ever experienced with guidelines that, in no small part, are based at this stage on supposition rather than scientific fact. And with all these compromises and health risks we are asked to finish a competition that bears no resemblance to the one we started, which could end a small club like Watford's time in the Premier League.
"So is this fair? Does it have any semblance of sporting integrity? Of course not."
Is he wrong in what he says though?Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.
He can restart with Tegridy from the lowest division.
Yep with no start date yet and nothing even close it looks likely time will run out.So basically to summarise it's all a right old mess still.
And all that's happened is time has rolled by.
With the gov set to only slightly loosen the lockdown tomorrow and set another three weeks going, that's June.
So you either inexplicably allow football special dispensation, or that's June at earliest before they can even train properly as a group.
All we can be absolutely certain of, is that leagues one and two are done and that'll be announced this week. Only question is whether they settle on standard PPG or some nonsense with separate calcs on home and aways.
Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.
He can restart with Tegridy from the lowest division.
Scousers are now mocking people for having integrity, you couldn’t make it up.Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.
He can restart with Tegridy from the lowest division.
Promoted on standard PPG, not on the split.Will Wycombe do better on standard ppg or split home and away ppg? Where will you end up?
This is Dipper Gold. Comments like this is exactly why no one can take your club and supporters seriously.Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.
He can restart with Tegridy from the lowest division.
Another triggered tulip.
That's a massive bite. Opposition fans are going to have even more fun with the asterisk angle than they did with Gerrard slipping.
Nope.Is he wrong in what he says though?
Ha, I read what Dumbstar wrote and felt nervous that other people would disagree with the Watford chairman too. Glad Dumbstar's in the minority. (Shock!)Is he wrong in what he says though?
Love the way he quickly remembered all the disclaimers about importance in the circumstances.
That's a massive bite. Opposition fans are going to have even more fun with the asterisk angle than they did with Gerrard slipping.
I personally don't want the season to continue, I think I've said that often enough. This virus is a bastard.This is Dipper Gold. Comments like this is exactly why no one can take your club and supporters seriously.
This is a perfect reason as to why they need to put some rules in place for the future. Its actually surprising that there isn't anything, not necessarily in the case of a pandemic but for anything which suspends or cancels play (war etc).Promoted on standard PPG, not on the split.
We've played two more homes than away. But were due to play the top two at home.
So while id obvs say PPG due to it suiting us, id have said it anyway.
Otherwise why stop at home and away split. Why not drill down into difficulty of opponent etc.
Becomes a minefield.
Really feeling the love that these two words triggered, thanks ladsThey didn’t.
They have a massive problem as it is this season, let alone getting some rules written for next year.This is a perfect reason as to why they need to put some rules in place for the future. Its actually surprising that there isn't anything, not necessarily in the case of a pandemic but for anything which suspends or cancels play (war etc).
I honestly can't see too many clubs kicking up a fuss about us becoming champions if the season can't be finished - whether that's based on final standing as it is, PPG or table after everyone had played 28 games to allow for the 2 games postponed because of the LC Final. Whether they use that as the precedent ie at least 28 games must be completed and the leader must be X points ahead is obviously up for discussion but they really need to be prepared for next season to avoid the carnage you describe.They have a massive problem as it is this season, let alone getting some rules written for next year.
Once you've awarded a title without a finish, even with a 25 point or so lead, you create a precedent. At what level do you set the points lead, or games played to?
What happens if you have to finish without either criteria met?
Imagine declaring no champion next year because the lead was only 10 points and we were only 20 games in. It'd be carnage!
My worry with league 1 is that the FA will look at the table, and the 2 options and think, hmmm, one option keeps the current top 3 in place (home, away split points) and one on the face of it boosts a team in 8th to 3rd! (straight PPG)
Now this doesn't take into context the tight nature of the league and us having a game in hand, but still probably doesn't look great.
But how you suddenly invent a sub level to a new rule of PPG I do not know.
Our owner is a top lawyer, I wonder if he'll dip into that
He's absolutely right in what he says.Is he wrong in what he says though?
Just read it a couple times to make sure but can’t see anything remotely shocking in what he says? Of course the integrity has gone. We all know that already.Ah, another resident of Tegridy Farms. I think the Watford chairman should exercise maximum Tegridy by removing Watford from the PL and giving that space to another team. Leeds will happily accept it.
He can restart with Tegridy from the lowest division.
You think it's just them two that don't want to play?
Any players that don't want to play can be furloghed, they shouldn't be foreced to play against their wishes, but they should have to accept a heavily reduced wage. They are multi millionaires, so I'm sure they will survive.According to this article there are more than a few players not willing to return. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...h-doubt-50-players-snub-restart-a4436041.html
If Aston Villa refuse to play in a neutral venue then they will be relegated anyway, so it would be pretty stupid of them to do that!So that's three of the relegation battlers who have opposed playing the remaining matches in neutral venues:
You'd have to imagine that at least a couple more from the bottom of the table are going to oppose; and they'll probably be joined by a handful in midtable or at the top.
Then we're done. No more Premier League 2019/20.
I hope the league gets abandoned. I'm not being biased in any way when I say that.
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