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Such a weird claim by Kompany. Thought he'd be smarter than that.
Such a weird claim by Kompany. Thought he'd be smarter than that.
Yeah let's pretend Vidic, Rio, Terry, Campbell never existed. Heck even alien head himself was a monster for years.
Although I agree VVD is definitely in the conversation for best PL CB, I think his impact is overstated, Liverpool would still be challenging for titles without him.
People are deluded if you don't include him in the conversation for best ever in the Premier League. He is top 3 easy.
Yeah let's pretend Vidic, Rio, Terry, Campbell never existed. Heck even alien head himself was a monster for years.
After 2 years?People are deluded if you don't include him in the conversation for best ever in the Premier League. He is top 3 easy.
To have anyone other than rio Terry and Vidic in some order is wrong imo.What’s your top 3 out of interest?
Rio, Vidic, Van Dijk.What’s your top 3 out of interest?
I cant see how you can say Vvd is better than John Terry as much as i hate the man himself.Rio, Vidic, Van Dijk.
Terry maintained his level near the top for longer than anyone else, but Rio, Vidic, Stam and now VVD all hit a higher peak when they were at their best. So it depends on how you rate peak or year-after-year consistency.I cant see how you can say Vvd is better than John Terry as much as i hate the man himself.
Van Dijk has been elevated to absurd levels of praise because the level of defending other than him is generally quite poor right now. He's obviously a very good player but he doesn't need to do as much to stand out as people like Rio/Terry/Vidic did, not only in the PL but on a global level.
In the peak of Vidic/Rio/Terry etc, pretty much every club in the top sides had a very good defender. Liverpool had people like Carragher/Hypia, Chelsea with Terry/Carvalho, Arsenal with Toure/Gallas, Tottenham had people like King/Dawson etc. Now I'm not saying that the level of that selection is World Class but it's a much better spread than we see now.
To have anyone other than rio Terry and Vidic in some order is wrong imo.
Then you have adams, kompany and Campbell probably.
If vvd keeps it up for 5 6 years he'll break the top 3 but you can put him in there yet
He's played longer than that. Liverpool didn't buy him for £75 million from Southampton because he played poorly there.After 2 years?
To be considered one of the best of premier league history, you have to look across multiple years, 4 5 6, i think.Terry maintained his level near the top for longer than anyone else, but Rio, Vidic, Stam and now VVD all hit a higher peak when they were at their best. So it depends on how you rate peak or year-after-year consistency.
My issue with stam is similar to vvd, longevity or lack therofA lot of us would have Stam ahead of Vidic.
Every bit as tough, but faster and better on the ball.
A big part of our treble success.
Also intrigued where you'd have Pallister - premier league team of the year 7 times for a huge reason.
He wasn't at that level at Southampton though, thats like arguing Maguire is one of the best based on his fee.He's played longer than that. Liverpool didn't buy him for £75 million from Southampton because he played poorly there.
I don't know why these comments need to be made. Wait for him to retire to see the broad perspective.
Yeah I agree the level of defenders currently is worse.Van Dijk has been elevated to absurd levels of praise because the level of defending other than him is generally quite poor right now. He's obviously a very good player but he doesn't need to do as much to stand out as people like Rio/Terry/Vidic did, not only in the PL but on a global level.
In the peak of Vidic/Rio/Terry etc, pretty much every club in the top sides had a very good defender. Liverpool had people like Carragher/Hypia, Chelsea with Terry/Carvalho, Arsenal with Toure/Gallas, Tottenham had people like King/Dawson etc. Now I'm not saying that the level of that selection is World Class but it's a much better spread than we see now.
Maguire was garnerning interest at Hull of all teams and when Leicester bought him many saw it as a sure thing and wondered why bigger clubs weren't after him. Because bigger clubs didn't buy him other people make up reasons "well maybe he just isn't that good", basically talking out of their ass. Everyone knew that van Dijk was a top player at Southampton. I remember talk about him on the caf from when he was at Celtic and when Southampton bought him you heard the same things said about him as a I mentioned "maybe he's just not that good" and "it's the Scottish league, of course he looks good there" etc. Liverpool simply really needed a top CB like him which is why they paid a lot of money for him but don't think for a second that we wouldn't have been in for him or Arsenal or Chelsea if the fees were more like 10 years ago.He wasn't at that level at Southampton though, thats like arguing Maguire is one of the best based on his fee.
Alot of the fee for both those players wss English to English club and potential.
Your last paragraph is my whole point. Its far to early to be discussing this about VVD, but we are because someone said he's one of the best all time in the league.
My issue with stam is similar to vvd, longevity or lack therof
Yeah I agree the level of defenders currently is worse.
I think it’s a much worse standard.
Rio was so great he had a run of 17 years without fouling anyone.
Vidić wanted to go to war.
Bruce wrote a novel.
Staam was Dutch.
To be fair VVD is right up there with them. His 18/19 is probably the second best full season a defender has had in the PL years (only Rio''s 07/08 was better). Of course he has to do it consistently over a good period of time to truly be ranked amongst the best, but unfortunately I think he'll do it.
Obviously the media have jumped all over him in a way they never have with a defender before so he has become slightly overrated.
Yeah I agree with that also. In fairness I do think VVD is good, definitely the best in the league but that’s a league where there are very few that stack up to past players.There's two things going on - shocking standard of centre backs these days versus the recent past, and also recency bias.
People love to suggest the current is the best. They did it with Man City recently, and now Liverpool.
More than taking a much more balanced view and looking at what did that team win and over how long.
Yeah I agree with that also. In fairness I do think VVD is good, definitely the best in the league but that’s a league where there are very few that stack up to past players.
The vast majority of the defenders at the top five clubs wouldn’t get a kick in the era of Rio, Vidic, Terry era. They would be rightly warming the bench.