Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[Greck]

It’s not like your CV/job analogy at all, that’s an awful take.

I forgot that footballers were robots and shouldn’t have feelings about their families and friends.

Sporting merit is as good a criteria as anyone will get for deciding anything this season. Even CL spots are being decided on merit. We don't get to lobby Uefa that Chelsea don't deserve to be picked ahead of us so that merit gets scrapped. As far as the FA are concerned deciding promotion through a raffle is preferable to scrapping relegation. Three teams would have gone up anyway, whatever criteria is used to decide that doesn't prejudice Norwich specifically

 

[RobinLFC]

Are positions standing as is, so? Promotions and relegations, too?

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[Rooney24]

Are positions standing as is, so? Promotions and relegations, too?

Looks like there will be no Relegation.....

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[Sandikan]

Real let off for Stevenage, who have been utter garbage all season.

PPG or weighted doesn't really make too much odds in league 2 I believe.

It's league 1 where it seem to be the massive issue - whether you promote the 3rd team (Wycombe v Oxford), or who gets into the playoffs (Peterboro v Portsmouth)

The Peterborough owner has tried to strongarm the league by setting up a gang of 6 up - unsurprisingly teams all with a stake in not wanting it to finish as they think they can do better than where they currently sit - especially Sunderland and Ipswich who wouldn't get near the playoffs any which way it's split. And obviously Peterborough who probably think they should be sat in 1st.

Not necessarily going to be weighted though.

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[Classical Mechanic]

#furloughtroy

 

[RedDevil@84]

What is the difference between weighted and unweighted PPG

 

[Pagh Wraith]

They should use xG to settle the league. Now that would cause a shitstorm I'd like to see.

 

[Klopper76]

They should use xG to settle the league. Now that would cause a shitstorm I'd like to see.

We'd end up 2nd to City.

 

[sullydnl]

What is the difference between weighted and unweighted PPG

What is this? Much like points per game, except this format takes into account each team's home and away form to provide an average for each, which is multiplied across a 38-game season.

How is it calculated? You divide points by the number of games played for home and away form separately. Multiply each number by 19 and add them together to create a total points tally. So Aston Villa's home form is 1.307×19=24.86. Their away form is 0.533×19=10.13. That gives them a WPPG tally for the season of 34.979.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

We'd end up 2nd to City.

I expect the Premier League to be played out but wouldn't it be great if some random League Two team brought it up after they've been discussing weighted and unweighted PPG and what not for hours just to troll everyone?

 

[RobinLFC]

Bruges champions in Belgium. Last team in the standings is relegated.

 

[Bullhitter]

It’s not like your CV/job analogy at all, that’s an awful take.

I forgot that footballers were robots and shouldn’t have feelings about their families and friends.

It is exactly like the job/CV scenario. You are forced to hold your hands up that yes you've not been good enough at your job and deserve to lose it but then say actually you should get to keep your job because you are unsure of the qualifications of the next guy coming in. You'd be laughed out the building and rightly so. It's a decision process that has zilch to do with you. This is no different.

No idea what you're last sentence is talking about?? Who said that? Footballers are employees and not slaves. As far as I know and am concerned they have the right to refuse to return to work if there is reasonable grounds (there are) for not doing so. Then it becomes a legal matter as to what happens with their salary.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Let us bloody start it up again! If they can do it in Germany so can the brittish clubs manage. Just make sure to put the players in quarentine if there is any issues.

 

[sullydnl]

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Snowball effect? Going to be intresting what happens to other Leagues.

 

[Finn MacCool]

If no further games can be played am I correct in thinking that each of the 3 divisions in the EFL could potentially have a different way of settling their division?

 

[Garry Buck]

Looking more likely the PL will return which is good and bad at the same time.

Going to be very strange indeed but at least it’s something to look forward two(Kinda).

 

[RedDevil@84]

What is this? Much like points per game, except this format takes into account each team's home and away form to provide an average for each, which is multiplied across a 38-game season.

How is it calculated? You divide points by the number of games played for home and away form separately. Multiply each number by 19 and add them together to create a total points tally. So Aston Villa's home form is 1.307×19=24.86. Their away form is 0.533×19=10.13. That gives them a WPPG tally for the season of 34.979.

Ok thanks.
I thought weighted would involve points taken from top 6 teams or something of that sort.

So just a simple Home and Away thing. That sucks for us given we are 9th or worse in the Away table.

 

[sullydnl]

Ok thanks.
I thought weighted would involve points taken from top 6 teams or something of that sort.

So just a simple Home and Away thing. That sucks for us given we are 9th or worse in the Away table.

Wouldn't change or final position as compared to PPG, we'd still be fifth. The difference would be Spurs & Arsenal swapping places plus West Ham dropping into the relegation zone instead of Bournemouth.

 

[Sandikan]

Ok thanks.
I thought weighted would involve points taken from top 6 teams or something of that sort.

So just a simple Home and Away thing. That sucks for us given we are 9th or worse in the Away table.

Doesn't change anything for United.

The teams it makes a big difference for are Bournemouth / West Ham in the Premier, and a number of teams in league 1.

 

[dwd]

It's an exciting finish to the end of the season

 

[christinaa]

How about playing Subbuteo or else Table Football ?!

Just as ridiculous as what is going on !!

 

[maniak]

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How I understand those angry fans. My local club has been relegated from the second division after a decent investment in the squad in January and getting a new top manager. Now without playing we'll be removed from the professional leagues.

To rub salt in the wound, it was decided that there will be no relegations in all the tiers below ours. Unbelievable.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

So it's clear Liverpool will be champions seeing how leagues are being concluded.Just hope we get a real shot at 4th.

 

[Tibs]

R rate is going up in the UK...if it doesn't drop in the next 2 weeks there is no way we will see a return

 

[Tibs]

So it's clear Liverpool will be champions seeing how leagues are being concluded.Just hope we get a real shot at 4th.

champions*

 

[Dumbstar]

So it's clear Liverpool will be champions seeing how leagues are being concluded.Just hope we get a real shot at 4th.

Well I never. Didn't see that coming.

Not aimed at you obviously.

 

[Cloud7]

What is this? Much like points per game, except this format takes into account each team's home and away form to provide an average for each, which is multiplied across a 38-game season.

How is it calculated? You divide points by the number of games played for home and away form separately. Multiply each number by 19 and add them together to create a total points tally. So Aston Villa's home form is 1.307×19=24.86. Their away form is 0.533×19=10.13. That gives them a WPPG tally for the season of 34.979.

Thanks for the explanation. If PPG were to be used as a metric, then this makes far more sense than just using total number of games alone, as home and away are important factors.

 

[Redcy]

tbf I think too many of assumed the FA would want a fair end to the season. Particularly for clubs in relegation. The desire to give Liverpool the trophy out of fear of being called out on it seems to have overcome that though. It’s also been clear for some time that the FA were going to make sure that’s what happened.

 

[Finn MacCool]

Thanks for the explanation. If PPG were to be used as a metric, then this makes far more sense than just using total number of games alone, as home and away are important factors.

If Project Restart fails to get going we can expect Karen Brady to start a Twitter campaign saying that weighted PPG shouldn't be used. This despite the fact that West Ham are one of the bottom six who supposedly pushed hardest against neutral venues.

In other words if the season restarts home advantage is massively important but if it doesn't restart your home record should not be viewed differently than your away record.

 

[stevoc]

If Project Restart fails to get going we can expect Karen Brady to start a Twitter campaign saying that weighted PPG shouldn't be used. This despite the fact that West Ham are one of the bottom six who supposedly pushed hardest against neutral venues.

In other words if the season restarts home advantage is massively important but if it doesn't restart your home record should not be viewed differently than your away record.

If it doesn't it'll take them another 6 weeks to think up another name. So they'll need a name for the project aimed at restarting Project Restart.

 

[Red00012]

R rate is going up in the UK...if it doesn't drop in the next 2 weeks there is no way we will see a return

Just face facts the PL is returning.

 

[Tarrou]

But is that a bad thing? It's unlikely there is going to be a vaccine in the next year. What happens with their neighbours next winter? The virus isn't simply just going to go away. It's way too early to be critical of Sweden's strategy based on the death rate during the first wave. In a year or two from now, things might and very possibly will, look very different. There is every chance, that as long as your health system hasn't been swamped, to the extent that care is rationed based on age etc, that the countries with the most infections per capita, have actually done the best. And I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear as it's become so political. But without a vaccine, would you rather be in Sweden or Denmark next winter?

This is why I really think we should use football as an example of how to go forward and start playing again with, crowds and without social distancing. I think the key is to limit the participants and fans, based on age and health status. If we'd left our schools open, there is a good chance 75% of our kids would be immune, the same is true for Uni's. Pubs, football stadium, restaurants, schools etc, all need to open up and as many young, healthy, people as possible need to be exposed to the virus. The data shows us the NHS should be able to cope over the summer and the benefits, come the winter, will be dramatic. Football clubs and footballers should lead the way, by campaigning to restart, in front as large of crowds as logistically possible. Social distancing of more vulnerable should remain as strict or even stricter. Of course the logistics will be challenging, but at least we'll know it's for a purpose and a move in the right direction. The absurd strategy to get playing again BCD, does nothing but shield people in the hope a vaccine comes along.

The post I was responding to was inferring their strategy worked because the death rate there is lower than in the UK, and I disagree with that reasoning. There are way too many other factors in play.

The strategy, in the UK at least, is to minimise the spread so that our health system can cope. If the UK followed Sweden's strategy it would be an enormous risk.

Without a vaccine I'd rather be in Denmark, for sure.

 

[Blackwidow]

Link to download the pdf of the Covid-19-concept for the restart of the Bundesliga in English:

https://t.co/gG07Lk80CX?amp=1

C O N T E N T S
Page 2
1. Medical concept for training and match operations in professional football in the context of the SARS-
CoV-2 pandemic……………………………………………………………….. .......................................................P. 3
2. Guidelines for organisational precautions in the stadium………………………………………........................P. 9
3. Guidelines for procedural and hygiene precautions in the stadium………………………………………….P. 25
4. Guidelines for TV production………………………………..………………………………………….....................P. 30
5. Guidelines for resuming team training……………………………..……….……...............................................P. 38
6. Guidelines for hotel accommodations…………………………………………………………….……….............P. 41
7. Guidelines for home personal hygiene in everyday life………………………………………….................... P. 43
8. Guidelines for home personal hygiene in quarantine………………………………………….........................P. 46

 

[90 + 5min]

The post I was responding to was inferring their strategy worked because the death rate there is lower than in the UK, and I disagree with that reasoning. There are way too many other factors in play.

The strategy, in the UK at least, is to minimise the spread so that our health system can cope. If the UK followed Sweden's strategy it would be an enormous risk.

Without a vaccine I'd rather be in Denmark, for sure.

Strategy in Sweden is not what some of you people think is. It is same as as lot of countries in western Europe. It is about not getting NHS overcrowded. The big difference is that Sweden is trying to achive that by trusting its people to follow recommendations instead of having 100% lockdown.

Problem with this is that there are people who are stupid. Who don’t care about others. And yes, that means a big risk in strategy. So Sweden have lot of recommendations and some rules as well for restaurants and gatherings.

What can be positive is that Sweden is half open/open country. There are lot of studies showing different numbers about how many have / had infection. And the more who had it and are now fine the better. That means that countries with total lockdown who are opining up (people thinking it is over) now risk to be hit again and I’m not talking about second wave.

Death numbers per milion in Sweden are high. Very high and most of them are from care homes and 70+. Still very high number and a situation that should be investigated into. One thing also is that Sweden are counting every death were someone had infection. That means, even if you died of some other factors but have Covid19 in your body, you were counted.

 

[Tarrou]

@90 + 5min out of interest what other countries have used the same strategy? And what impact has it had?

 

[90 + 5min]

@90 + 5min out of interest what other countries have used the same strategy? And what impact has it had?

I think UK did the same for a short period of time before they changed the way. On other hand I understand. It's 50+m people i UK while Sweden have 10m. I don't know any other country right now that had recommendations instead of rules as Sweden. And I think it is to soon to judge Sweden for taking this approach even if I would have gone with lockdown from first day.

 

[christinaa]

Commuters pack onto Tube and trains - but social distancing proves IMPOSSIBLE on limited services.

Let's hope the number of people dying will not start rising again.

 

[711]

R rate is going up in the UK...if it doesn't drop in the next 2 weeks there is no way we will see a return

A lot of people will watch two matches a day on telly if it comes back. Wouldn't a few million people stopping inside to watch telly a few hours a day reduce the R rate?

 

[Member 101269]

A lot of people will watch two matches a day on telly if it comes back. Wouldn't a few million people stopping inside to watch telly a few hours a day reduce the R rate?

Wouldn't people who have interacted at work and school then sitting together with family inside their home to watch football increase the R0?