Wrestling (the kinds like in College and the Olympics - not the wwe stuff)What sport do you coach red?
Wrestling (the kinds like in College and the Olympics - not the wwe stuff)What sport do you coach red?
None. Punishment always outstrips deed for these pile ons.Is there any evidence that public shaming can change people's behaviour?
I as much as the next person, am guilty of casually using the word lynching, so I'm not trying to be an obstinate cnut here at all. However we should keep in mind that until very recent in this country's history, black men were frequently broken out of jails, and extrajudicially lynched (as in tortured, maimed and then hung till they stopped kicking) by mobs of white men. And such lynchings we're usually instigated by false claims of harassment/rape said by white women. I hope no one is encouraging that karen2835 be literally hung in Central Park.Well said.
We all think she's a cnut but encouraging public lynchings is only bad for society in the long run. It makes you as bad as her almost that you want her life ruined for something that can be dealt with in a better way. Somebody has to be the better person for things to move forward.
I don't have a strong stance on this case. Most of social media stuff is just about cursing her, there is nothing to gain by having that discussion here too. As a thought exercise, it is an interesting question to ponder over if the society is at that stage that this kind of mob justice using social media tools is justified or warranted.It won't solve the racism problem, but it'll keep more black people safe than if nothing was in place, which is positive movement.
Innocent parties on the other side of the spectrum are - and will always be - far more in number, that can't be swept under the rug.
American law has every right to be distrusted by black folk across the continent.
Her intention was to put an innocent person in grave danger. It backfired, tremendously.
I'm trying to understand your stance on this, but someone like this is a dangerous individual who has reaped what she sowed; what sympathy should be reserved for her? The proverb of Marlo be told.
ikr why can't the sister of a victim of racism mind her own god damn businessMy issue is with anyone who publicly posts videos like this. We just can't mind our own business. Who fecking cares, crazy people have a right to be crazy. If it's too much then the police can sort it.
It's all so boring.
The cop should be accused of murder.May 26, 2020
A man exclaiming "I can't breathe" as a Minneapolis police officer pinned him to the ground and put his knee on the man's neck for about eight minutes died Monday night, prompting the FBI and Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to step in and investigate.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...6cHne4dILO1TkcfjQU5u08kGo0widssTXr5hbjh1ncjew
Who fecking cares, racists have a right to be racistMy issue is with anyone who publicly posts videos like this. We just can't mind our own business. Who fecking cares, crazy people have a right to be crazy. If it's too much then the police can sort it.
It's all so boring.
I'm not a fan of the prison system as a means of punishment but deliberately and maliciously exposing someone to a higher risk of harm/death, even if done on impulse, should at the very least be a fireable offense, and a jail sentence. If she changes her name and rejigs her resume she'll be back in the workforce in no time. It can be said that she got off easy, with no charges being filed against her.None. Punishment always outstrips deed for these pile ons.
We have all the technology for this to go better.
I’m a bit too idealistic at times. But this could have gone better for all.
- Girl apologises to guy
- Guy accepts
- Girl keeps job
- Company fines girl
- Guy gets that money from company as apology
- Girl sits on relevant course to correct behaviour
- Girl repays fine to company and debt to society
No it’s not implementable in the current machine we have built, but it’s still an outcome we could achieve. We have the tech. We could create better outcomes.
Crazy people don't have the right to falsely accuse someone of threatening their life to the police because when the police come to "sort it" the context is set and it's a pretty bad one for the falsely accused and it's considerably worse when that person happens to be black in the United States.My issue is with anyone who publicly posts videos like this. We just can't mind our own business. Who fecking cares, crazy people have a right to be crazy. If it's too much then the police can sort it.
It's all so boring.
I think it's around the same time they sprinkle some crack on him and ask their desk duty pals to find a photo of them in a hoodie"If it's too much then the police can sort it." Is that before or after they arrived at the scene all guns blazing and shoot the guy because of that woman's performance?
4 have been fired and are now under FBI investigationThe cop should be accused of murder.
I’m puritanical man. I’m a believer in redemption not punishment.I'm not a fan of the prison system as a means of punishment but deliberately and maliciously exposing someone to a higher risk of harm/death, even if done on impulse, should at the very least be a fireable offense, and a jail sentence. If she changes her name and rejigs her resume she'll be back in the workforce in no time. It can be said that she got off easy, with no charges being filed against her.
I can't think of any other situation where this would be a debate. Someone mentioned swatting earlier.. just the act alone will bring state and federal charges on your head (and god forbid if it ends up with someone dead... That's a murder charge on top). There needs to be a more substantial penalty than saying sorry and taking bullshit racial sensitivity classes sponsored by HR, to reflect how you decided to roll the dice on someone else's life.
They say criticise the post not the poster.My issue is with anyone who publicly posts videos like this. We just can't mind our own business. Who fecking cares, crazy people have a right to be crazy. If it's too much then the police can sort it.
It's all so boring.
Jon Ronson had a good idea on exploring that kind of mob justice. I think you are right to raise it. And there are cases that justify examining the overarching mob justice side of things.I don't have a strong stance on this case. Most of social media stuff is just about cursing her, there is nothing to gain by having that discussion here too. As a thought exercise, it is an interesting question to ponder over if the society is at that stage that this kind of mob justice using social media tools is justified or warranted.
Thought I will admit that I don't believe this woman deserves to have her complete life ruined as some would have it on social media. What she did could have had very very dangerous consequences but may be I am giving her the benefit of the doubt in that she did not actually want to get the cops to kill the man but was just trying to win that argument and ended up going way overboard, in turn showing an ugly racist side. Hence why I asked if she could have been charged legally for this act, what punishment people would have wanted her to get other than social humiliation.
I'm Puritan too!I’m puritanical man. I’m a believer in redemption not punishment.
I saw a good friend make a very poor choice. Drove too fast. Hit someone. Killed them. Ruined his life. (It need not be said that you feel ending someone’s life Means his should be ruined).
Prison. Job gone. Relationship gone. Kids not seen.
I operate from a position that knows he does not need years in Prison to be punished. I also know that Prison made him a worse person.
It’s really complex. We feel differently about it.
I’ve got a lot more background narrative that influences me. None of which I’ll share here widely. But happy to do so privately anytime you send me a PM if I can trust you to not reshare.
It's because the left has almost no media presence. If there was a leftist media machine that even half-way matched the reactionary propaganda we're fed daily these conversations wouldn't be happening. leftist media is essentially a handful of bloggers at the guardian and a bunch of poorly designed cheap wesbites no one visits and therefor has little effectJust find it difficult to apply in the case of this lady. I also think what is often underplayed is the way right wing hounding of people is done online with little commentary on that side. Doxxing, mob mentality exists often in more violent forms on the right with cases not mentioned. I'm thinking Owen Jones being attacked brutally in public, rape threats to Jess Philips from MRA types and what feminists like Rebbeca Watson, Anita Sarkeesian which occur in my experience to a vastly more vile and significantly worse intensity and yet don't get as much discussion with regards to social media excessively targeting of people and people in the centre often focus on the left wing element of it often with false equivalency.
OK, just trying to make sense of your stance, because in this instance, what she [attempted] to do was cut and shut, particularly at the point where she escalated by acting like she was in immediate peril at the hands of an AFRICAN AMERICAN, as she made clear to bellow down the phone - that is heinous and sinister given the potential outcome. It's at that point you're looking at a person in clear mind doing something extremely nefarious, and where benefit of the doubt should surely go up in flames? Lucky for the guy it was filmed as even if he told officers she had hammed it up, his word against hers would be mud, if we again consider the historical (current) backdrop her motives for executing such a move are set to.I don't have a strong stance on this case. Most of social media stuff is just about cursing her, there is nothing to gain by having that discussion here too. As a thought exercise, it is an interesting question to ponder over if the society is at that stage that this kind of mob justice using social media tools is justified or warranted.
Thought I will admit that I don't believe this woman deserves to have her complete life ruined as some would have it on social media. What she did could have had very very dangerous consequences but may be I am giving her the benefit of the doubt in that she did not actually want to get the cops to kill the man but was just trying to win that argument and ended up going way overboard, in turn showing an ugly racist side. Hence why I asked if she could have been charged legally for this act, what punishment people would have wanted her to get other than social humiliation.
It's a nobody with 228 followers, I wouldn't lose too much sleep about her stupid views.This reply is crazy. What is wrong with people. Now passing blame to her employer
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Running advice? Flip off a cop in America = Run a guaranteed PB..... shout anytime..
I am overdue to PM you about some running questions anyway
Oh buddy. Wait till you find out the sheer number of Karens out there abusing their position to deny access to education, loans, housing, healthcare based on someone’s looks.This reply is crazy. What is wrong with people. Now passing blame to her employer
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We’ll forgive y’all. She was corrupted by her time here, obviously.FFS. She's Canadian.
Shame and eternal shame.
Meh. Public shaming is a total boreThey say criticise the post not the poster.
This is a cnut post, make of that what you will.
Yeah, such a bigger issue than calling the police on an African-American man! for asking you to follow the law.Meh. Public shaming is a total bore
It shouldn’t be incumbent on the oppressed to ‘change the behaviour’ of the privileged.Is there any evidence that public shaming can change people's behaviour?
That's himOn a nearly daily basis, Cooper had seen unleashed pooches digging up the soil, ruining the delicate habitat and disturbing the birds. He had often asked unaware owners to restrain their pets, sometimes on camera, he said, and he carried around some dog treats for this very purpose. Monday morning was no different.
“I don’t think there’s an African American person in America who hasn’t experienced something like this at some point,” Christian Cooper, a 57-year-old science editor, told The Washington Post in an interview. “I don’t shy away from confronting the scofflaw when I see it. Otherwise, the park would be unusable — not just to us birders but to anybody who enjoys the beauty."
"I can be racially intimidated and kowtow to her,” he said, but “I’m not going to participate in my own dehumanization."
“I’m not interested in repercussions,” he said. “It’s unfortunate what happened. There was definitely a lapse in judgment. But she put the dog on the leash, and I don’t need to see anything else happen to her.”
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Agreed.They say criticise the post not the poster.
This is a cnut post, make of that what you will.
Celine Dion, Justin Bieber and now Amy Cooper. Is there no end to this madness ?FFS. She's Canadian.
Shame and eternal shame.
There's a picture of him wearing a Star Trek "Dammit, Jim" shirt and that's all I need to know to tell he and I would be friends for life.The guy who did the filming has spoken up and sounds very sensible, I've put some of what I think are the more salient points in the quotes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/26/amy-cooper-central-park/
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Seems like a nice guy, and from his wiki he was a writer for Marvel comics as well
Nerd.There's a picture of him wearing a Star Trek "Dammit, Jim" shirt and that's all I need to know to tell he and I would be friends for life.
Philistine.Nerd.
From the video, he pulled out his phone before she starting making the phone call. From his own account, she wasn't saying anything threatening to him at that point, so no he didn't have any of those reasons to pull out his phone.Probably just in case she tried to kill him or call the cops and lie so they could kill him...
If I'm having an argument with someone for whatever reason, and the other person pulls out his/her phone and starts filming me, I'd be right pissed because that's my image that the person can do whatever with. From the video it clearly seems they are having an argument over the dog being on a lease before she starts to call the cops, and again the guy's narration says the same thing, so the only reason he would have to take his phone out would be regarding a stupid argument over dogs on leases.I don’t know about the US but in the UK you are allowed to film anything you like as long as you are in a public area.
I don’t know how you managed to jump to him hounding her either. He was quite calm giving the circumstances of her getting increasingly hysterical and lying more.
The fact that you want to judge someone based on one post says a lot about you and what's wrong with this SJW obsessed generation.The fact this is your major take from this story says an awful lot about you.
I'm sorry, I'm not aware we are required to give our full take on the situation in every post. That is only what I posted, not that which I got from the incident. The women is a crazed racist, there happy? I just now said a point that was repeated 20 times before my post, I apologize if I didn't want to say it again to make everyone understand that I'm a decent human being (since that is how we judge people).That's what you take from this?
The purpose of CCTV is complete different from this.Invasion of privacy in a public park? Wait till you hear about CCTV.
So now it's worthy to film someone for not putting their dog on a leash? I should get my phone out all the time then while in parks in Munich then. Honestly, when did it become okay to film people for breaking a minor law?He brought out the phone when she got aggressive. He had a feeling she won't listen to him asking to put the dog on the leash.
So, again, it's okay to film people who don't want to put their dog on a leash?Probably for the exact thing that happened. The dog wasn't on a leash and he probably knew fine well what would happen when he calmy asked her to leash it.
It was for his own protection.
Are we friends now? I’d say let’s high five but social distancing init.Philistine.
Yeah mate we're friends now. This is like being back at school but without the flexible rulers and the smoking shelters.Are we friends now? I’d say let’s high five but social distancing init.