Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

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"Italy’s alarming number of deaths fanned many of the early fears across the world, but by March 17 it was clear that the median age of Italian deaths was over 80 and that not a single person under 30 had died in that country. Furthermore, it was known that 99% of those who died had other existing illnesses"
Surely the virus got out of hand in Italy in Lombardia because of the Atalanta CL game and in the UK and Spain because of the Livepool* vs Atletico Madrid match?
Funny how football is to blame for much of the contagion.
 

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"Italy’s alarming number of deaths fanned many of the early fears across the world, but by March 17 it was clear that the median age of Italian deaths was over 80 and that not a single person under 30 had died in that country. Furthermore, it was known that 99% of those who died had other existing illnesses"
Should we treat people over 80s and people under 30s differently? Just because under 30s are underrepresented doesn't mean we should stop caring about Lifes for those who are very old.

Why is existing illnesses important? We are talking about people. With or without. People are people. Why are some using this as a excuse to open up everything?
 

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Let's be honest the rest of 'the season' is a farce. Home and away advantage has gone, form out of the window and clubs battling to keep hold of players they had on loan or who are now out of contract. None of the teams will be at match fitness and it's just an exercise to tick a box that the season was finished.

Surely you don't disagree?
I wouldn't call it a farce, I'd say it's what we have as the only available option when everything is taken into consideration. It's not like positions aren't going to count. Norwich and whoever else in the bottom three at the end will get relegated. If there's European football next season, teams will qualify via the top six etc.
 

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form out of the window
If the Bundi is anything to go by that isn't nesseserily true.

Apart from Hertha Berlin no clubs form since the restart has wavered that far from what we were seeing from them before the shutdown.
 

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I've got an appointment on 4 june and my son on 9 June. No problem booking at all.

They've been open during the 'lockdown' for emergency work as well, so the receptionist said.
I'm genuinely interested whats the name of the practice?

No dentist in the UK have been open for Emergency work beyond a few urgent care centres that were set up, and they were referral only for only the most severe and ongoing cases. Eg swollen face and severe pain, and/or breathing problems.

https://www.bda.org/news-centre/pre...eved-to-re-open-but-key-questions-remain.aspx

https://www.gdc-uk.org/information-...ormation/covid-19-latest-guidance-for-england

Edit: The British Dental Association and the General Dental Council have both confirmed that Dental practices in England can only re-open from June 8th, if your Dentist is open before that date i would suspect it could be a dodgy unlicensed one. I would suggest you do some research into that mate ;)
 
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You're delusional. We got lucky with this virus. It's not that bad. What would your doom and gloom be like if we actually had a serious virus like the spanish flu or small pox? No disrespect to those that caught this virus, but in relative terms this virus was nothing compared to what we have experienced in the past.
The Spanish flu was quite similar to the flus we have now.

The difference was no immunity and poor hygiene/overcrowding in what passed for hospitals at the time.

This thing could have easily been as bad if no action was taken.

We got lucky with the 358,000 dead, which is likely a good bit lower than then the actual death toll, did we?
 

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So how does it work with this new track and trace system?

Based on that if one player gets it the whole team would have to isolate for 14 days or do footballers have special rules?
 

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I wouldn't call it a farce, I'd say it's what we have as the only available option when everything is taken into consideration. It's not like positions aren't going to count. Norwich and whoever else in the bottom three at the end will get relegated. If there's European football next season, teams will qualify via the top six etc.
It's the best of a very bad situation but that doesn't make it good. The credibility of the season is in tatters if we are honest and it is just being finished for the sake of it (and for money). The right thing to do was to finish the season now. Just like in other parts of the football league and just like a few hundred miles north in Scotland.
 

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So how does it work with this new track and trace system?

Based on that if one player gets it the whole team would have to isolate for 14 days or do footballers have special rules?
Who knows? I don't even know and I'm a police officer. What do key workers do? Whole teams will be wiped out. Nothings been communicated down.
 

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Undetected heart issues don't need a virus to suddenly kill players anyway, we've seen that. So again, the coronavirus isn't really your issue here.
You’re missing my point that sports people are supposedly more at risk, then chuck on top undetected health issues.

but hey, footie is back and we can all look forward to banning the scousers
 

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How? :rolleyes:

They've pumped billions into the economy to help furloughed staff and for companies.
A half arsed lockdown that was brought in too late and is being lifted too early. But theres another thread for that.
 

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Who knows? I don't even know and I'm a police officer. What do key workers do? Whole teams will be wiped out. Nothings been communicated down.
So your telling me the whole thing is a shambles.

Go figure
Whats the alternative though? The track and trace system is obvisouly the way to go, yes there are some complications but that is inevitable in these unprecedented times. They are just rolling it out now so hopefully it will become more clear in the coming days, although I agree communication by the government throughout the pandemic has been lacking.
 

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Whats the alternative though? The track and trace system is obvisouly the way to go, yes there are some complications but that is inevitable in these unprecedented times. They are just rolling it out now so hopefully it will become more clear in the coming days, although I agree communication by the government throughout the pandemic has been lacking.
My issue is with the communication. As things stand this will decimate essential front line services and that's not to mention there's still just under 400 people dying each day.

Anyway so long as the important things are clear. Like Project Restart and finishing off this farcical end to the season.
 

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The virus itself wasn't bad. It was the subsequent panic and overreaction that was the problem.
Try explaining that to the families of the 350k people claimed by covid.

And why are you speaking in the past tense? The coronavirus is still very much with us, and even if it does clear up, there is a good chance of it returning.
 

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Whats the alternative though? The track and trace system is obvisouly the way to go, yes there are some complications but that is inevitable in these unprecedented times. They are just rolling it out now so hopefully it will become more clear in the coming days, although I agree communication by the government throughout the pandemic has been lacking.
I was more interested how it effects this football calendar.

A team is playing 2 games a week, if one person tests positive the whole team should isolate for 14 days. Thats 4 games.

They must be getting special treatment in regards to this.
 

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Is there any update on the FA Cup, Europe League and Champions League? If the league can return so can the cup, surely. As for the Europa and Champions League, it will be harder. But they need to be played out too
 

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I was more interested how it effects this football calendar.

A team is playing 2 games a week, if one person tests positive the whole team should isolate for 14 days. Thats 4 games.

They must be getting special treatment in regards to this.
The whole team and presumably at least one of the other teams they have played. Then the whole thing folds like a house of cards.
 

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The whole team and presumably at least one of the other teams they have played. Then the whole thing folds like a house of cards.
Thats what you'd assume, but id be willing to bet once the next round of results come in and there is positives that team wont isolate.
 

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Is there any update on the FA Cup, Europe League and Champions League? If the league can return so can the cup, surely. As for the Europa and Champions League, it will be harder. But they need to be played out too
CL and Europa will be back in August
 

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Try explaining that to the families of the 350k people claimed by covid.

And why are you speaking in the past tense? The coronavirus is still very much with us, and even if it does clear up, there is a good chance of it returning.
Explain to me the millions of people who have lost their jobs, the uptick in suicides, increased domestic violence cases, missed cancer diagnoses, and the countless amount of children who will starve globally because of broken supply chains.

Explain to me why Sweden is doing so well, and why states in the US who opened up weeks ago aren't burning to the ground and have moved on with their lives.



Why has Norway's health minister said the lockdown was pointless? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Are the very real concerns of these 6 physicians to be ignored? https://archive.is/Sa1KL

May 26th data from the CDC for probability of death:



This is only a fraction of the information available online. Feel free to do your own research, it's quite revealing. The lockdowns were a mistake.
 

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Explain to me the millions of people who have lost their jobs, the uptick in suicides, increased domestic violence cases, missed cancer diagnoses, and the countless amount of children who will starve globally because of broken supply chains.

Explain to me why Sweden is doing so well, and why states in the US who opened up weeks ago aren't burning to the ground and have moved on with their lives.



Why has Norway's health minister said the lockdown was pointless? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Are the very real concerns of these 6 physicians to be ignored? https://archive.is/Sa1KL

May 26th data from the CDC for probability of death:



This is only a fraction of the information available online. Feel free to do your own research, it's quite revealing. The lockdowns were a mistake.
Totally off topic btw but how many hundreds of thousands of suicides were there due to the lockdown?
 

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Explain to me the millions of people who have lost their jobs, the uptick in suicides, increased domestic violence cases, missed cancer diagnoses, and the countless amount of children who will starve globally because of broken supply chains.

Explain to me why Sweden is doing so well, and why states in the US who opened up weeks ago aren't burning to the ground and have moved on with their lives.



Why has Norway's health minister said the lockdown was pointless? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Are the very real concerns of these 6 physicians to be ignored? https://archive.is/Sa1KL

May 26th data from the CDC for probability of death:



This is only a fraction of the information available online. Feel free to do your own research, it's quite revealing. The lockdowns were a mistake.
Last two weeks Sweden have been top 3 in death/milion people. Doing well?
 

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Explain to me the millions of people who have lost their jobs, the uptick in suicides, increased domestic violence cases, missed cancer diagnoses, and the countless amount of children who will starve globally because of broken supply chains.

Explain to me why Sweden is doing so well, and why states in the US who opened up weeks ago aren't burning to the ground and have moved on with their lives.



Why has Norway's health minister said the lockdown was pointless? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Are the very real concerns of these 6 physicians to be ignored? https://archive.is/Sa1KL

May 26th data from the CDC for probability of death:



This is only a fraction of the information available online. Feel free to do your own research, it's quite revealing. The lockdowns were a mistake.

I'll let other pick away at most of this, but a quick fire rebuke to how "well" Sweden are doing.

6th worst in the world pro rata per million.
Having a mere 10million population naturally helps them stay lower down the total case list, whereas the USA obviously stands out a mile.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
 

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Totally off topic btw but how many hundreds of thousands of suicides were there due to the lockdown?
You'd probably have to look at excess suicides to make an educated guess. Excess deaths is used quite a lot to get accurate numbers for Covid-related deaths.
 

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If you're not willing to even read the abundant evidence showing how destructive and pointless the lockdown was, then there's no point discussing it with you.
Hahaha literally disagreeing with someone who works in the field most directly affected by the virus. Another internet warrior.
 

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Sure, and ignore the countless doctors and epidemiologists arguing the exact opposite. But they're opinion isn't valid, right? Since it goes against the doom and gloom narrative.
Which countless doctors? Put up your sources.
 

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Explain to me the millions of people who have lost their jobs, the uptick in suicides, increased domestic violence cases, missed cancer diagnoses, and the countless amount of children who will starve globally because of broken supply chains.

Explain to me why Sweden is doing so well, and why states in the US who opened up weeks ago aren't burning to the ground and have moved on with their lives.



Why has Norway's health minister said the lockdown was pointless? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Are the very real concerns of these 6 physicians to be ignored? https://archive.is/Sa1KL

May 26th data from the CDC for probability of death:



This is only a fraction of the information available online. Feel free to do your own research, it's quite revealing. The lockdowns were a mistake.
The lockdowns clearly did the job as we've seen a steady decrease in death rate's across the globe since they were introduced. The UK has seen a 500 per day decrease over the last 5 weeks alone. Italy, Spain and many other nations are also reporting a significant drop in death rates.

How can you say they were a mistake?
 

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If someone is saying there is an uptake in suicides then you better provide some proof for such a glib comment