Deery
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A one minute silent knee would probably be what happens and I would welcome it, be interesting to see how black players respond in Italy to the current events with so much racism over there.
Basically. It's so obvious and pathetic how clear peoples agendas are "please we've just got our precious football back, don't mess with it again!!!!!!!". The fact the ignorance is coming from fully grown adults who you'd hope have had an education is so sad."Protest all you want as long as it's not inconvenient to my entertainment", fecking hell what an attitude.
It's embarrassing to read.Basically. It's so obvious and pathetic how clear peoples agendas are "please we've just got our precious football back, don't mess with it again!!!!!!!". The fact the ignorance is coming from fully grown adults who you'd hope have had an education is so sad.
It's bigger than that one incident now. It's about racism as a whole. There's marches happening in England.Not sure footballers in England protesting stuff in the US makes sense - especially when there's plenty of racism in the UK to tackle first.
Nah, it has to be during the match to get full exposure. While kneeling for 8 mins 46 secondsmight be hard to implement, I think that the idea of doing a short kneel at the start and then again at the 8:46 point might optimize the mediatic impact without falling afoul of FIFA rules.Doubt this will happen/be approved by the football ‘authorities’
But, the players, could take it upon themselves and do it during their pre game warm up. Just head out the tunnel 10 mins earlier and drop to a knee. It would still get the same coverage
You're going to be so upset when I remind you that football is very politically active.What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.
Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.
Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.
Just my 2 cents
Oh didn't know that.. if it's broader protest about racism than the Premier League should definitely participate.It's bigger than that one incident now. It's about racism as a whole. There's marches happening in England.
Crikey. Wobble your head a bit, man.And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Feck me!And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Opposing racism is not a political statement. It's the promotion of basic human decency.Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are.
WatAnd I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
and your username is Dove? Is that some sort of irony?And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Thing is, a lot of people here seem to think they're American. They consume so much of the culture, they think because they share the language we're the same country. We're not. I have no issue with players if they want to use their reach to do things. You're right that many awful things happen every day in the world, it would feel as if this was a tribute to the most publicised current issue. That doesn't sit brilliantly with me. I think the family need to grieve for this awful tragedy, my heart goes out to them, and the US needs to sort itself out, as there is endemic racism in areas and systems which needs to be expunged.What happened to that fella was a shame & disgrace. But terrible things happen every day all over the world.
Imo sport should stick with sport & not make political statements regardless of how well intended they are. I go to football to forget about life for a few hours.
Individuals within sport can lend their support outside of the game & any right minded person would support them in doing that.
Just my 2 cents
This!Opposing racism is not a political statement. It's the promotion of basic human decency.
I think this is a more powerful statement and would work better for the players and the 'game'. Kneeling at the start of the game and then kneeling again at 8m 46.Kneeling at 8 mins 46 sec is something doable but kneeling for 8 mins will never happen.
...and this is exactly why it should happen. Disgusting post.And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
Get absolutely fecked.And I am sick of everyone jumping the gun and encouraging what's happening blatantly cherrypicking certain details to fit their agenda. George Floyd is being painted as some sort of Saint right now but the reality is that he was far from it. How about the cop who was shot by protesters? Nobody is talking about it because they are too busy "protesting". Footballers just like many other athletes and professionals do a lot of anti-racism campaigns and they should stick to doing that but they should not be involved in individual accidents like this.
While I agree that this is a heinous crime, no-one thinks it isn't.... this kneeling is being suggested due to the large amount of media coverage which has been afforded this incident. There are many other awful things happening in the world right now. Should everything be turned into something which sport should recognise and protest? This seems crazy. Sport will simply become a reflection of the highest-publicised issues in the media. This does not seem a wise thing to move towards. Especially when it will inevitably involve Britain essentially just responding to US stories, simply because we share a language.Does it even matter whether he was a saint or a criminal? No one should be killed regardless of the crimes they have or haven’t committed. Lethal force is an absolute last resort to stop someone who is seconds away from killing other people. Someone who is pinned down and handcuffed is no longer a threat.
If he was proven to be a criminal then he has the same rights to go through the courts as everyone else and be given the appropriate punishment.
As for the kneeling I have no problem with players doing it but I think the entire 8:46 Is unlikely. It’s more likely to be a 1 minute silence or kneel.
What the feck. It's because you share the same problem called racism, not because you share a fecking language.Especially when it will inevitably involve Britain essentially just responding to US stories, simply because we share a language.
Wrong place to bring up your political agenda, this is a football forum concerning Manchester United. As others have mentioned above, terrible and even worse stuff happen every single day all over the world - not all is covered by the media in this way. If you want to change things, go into politics and do it the hard way. Footballers in England taking a stance changes absolutely nothing.Totally agree. To the people saying 8 minutes is too long, that’s the feckin point, it is to long to kneel on somebodies neck!
America need shaming, racism is alive in the UK but it’s just a feckin free for all over there.
Time to let them know that they don’t set the tone with acts like this. It cannot be accepted and forgotten and the world is watching.
People should use the 8 minutes to imagine how disgustingly frightening it would be to have the life slowly drained from you.
No, I don't think so. Britain has issues with racism, serious systemic issues, as many countries do. But this story is massively publicised and also easily readable for us. The US has a cultural media stranglehold on this country, and the shared language is a huge part of that. How au fait are you with race relations issues in France? I'd imagine not very - because you can't read their press.What the feck. It's because you share the same problem called racism, not because you share a fecking language.
I think you should go away from the forum for a bit and do some reading. The kneeling is being suggested because there is a huge racism problem in society, not just in the US but all around the world. Are you also conveniently forgetting the amount of incidents we have had this season concerning racism? i.e Chelsea fans on Sterling, the England game, Spurs vs Chelsea, Ian Wright receiving racist messages etc. There are too many to name.While I agree that this is a heinous crime, no-one thinks it isn't.... this kneeling is being suggested due to the large amount of media coverage which has been afforded this incident. There are many other awful things happening in the world right now. Should everything be turned into something which sport should recognise and protest? This seems crazy. Sport will simply become a reflection of the highest-publicised issues in the media. This does not seem a wise thing to move towards. Especially when it will inevitably involve Britain essentially just responding to US stories, simply because we share a language.
Pretty well, considering we speak French in Belgium as well.No, I don't think so. Britain has issues with racism, serious systemic issues, as many countries do. But this story is massively publicised and also easily readable for us. The US has a cultural media stranglehold on this country, and the shared language is a huge part of that. How au fait are you with race relations issues in France? I'd imagine not very - because you can't read their press.
I teach English for a living and have an English degree, I do plenty of reading thank you, I read and teach effective reading for a living. Very clearly an 8 minute 46 second kneel is a direct reference to a single incident in the US recently, and the idea of kneeling for that amount of time did not exist before that incident.I think you should go away from the forum for a bit and do some reading. The kneeling is being suggested because there is a huge racism problem in society, not just in the US but all around the world. Are you also conveniently forgetting the amount of incidents we have had this season concerning racism? i.e Chelsea fans on Sterling, the England game, Spurs vs Chelsea, Ian Wright receiving racist messages etc. There are too many to name.
I at no point said this was a US-related issue, nor do I believe that. However, kneeling is what Colin Kaepernick did, and 8 minutes and 46 seconds is the amount of time that poor man took to die. So clearly this is all a very US-based way of approaching something based on US events, and in this case specifically a US event which has just happened.Pretty well, considering we speak French in Belgium as well.
If you think this is just a US-related issue, you are widely off the mark.
Have you never heard of ‘stamp it out’...While I agree that this is a heinous crime, no-one thinks it isn't.... this kneeling is being suggested due to the large amount of media coverage which has been afforded this incident. There are many other awful things happening in the world right now. Should everything be turned into something which sport should recognise and protest? This seems crazy. Sport will simply become a reflection of the highest-publicised issues in the media. This does not seem a wise thing to move towards. Especially when it will inevitably involve Britain essentially just responding to US stories, simply because we share a language.
I don't think people here are really reading what I'm writing or responding to the things I'm actually writing, instead conflating them with other generalisations and generic views, so I'm going to stop posting in this thread.Have you never heard of ‘stamp it out’...
I’m just trying to get across the notion that racism is a global problem and we should definitely show solidarity with the US..I don't think people here are really reading what I'm writing or responding to the things I'm actually writing, instead conflating them with other generalisations and generic views, so I'm going to stop posting in this thread.