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[Baxter]

Shocking coverage from BT missing Gnabry's goal completely there

Unlikely to be BT, probably the German feed they have.

I’ve no idea why Bosz is playing Bailey as a wing back.

 

[Dancfc]

The players seem to be (in their defense likely subconsciously) forgetting about the guidelines.

Fair bit of hugging and subtle high fives in this high fives in this half.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

That was weird didn't even know they had scored again.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

Shocking coverage from BT missing Gnabry's goal completely there

It has nothing to do with BT.

 

[hasanejaz88]

This is getting embarrassing now. First Gnabry missing a clear 1 on 1, then a minute later gets another and finishes it.

Bosz's decision to play Amiri and Bailey, two pure attacking wingers/midfielders, at the wing back positions has backfired horribly. Bayern have simply eaten them wide, 2 of Bayern's three goals coming because their wingbacks haven't been able to track Bayern's wingers.

Why the hell Bosz tried it today, given that previously he has always had proper wingbacks in those positions (Wendell, Sindgraven, Weiser), is beyond me.

Nice to see Goretzka doing well, assisted one (after a good interception) and then scored one. Having a good 2020 thus far.

 

[Piratesoup]

Shocking coverage from BT missing Gnabry's goal completely there

Few things infuriate me more than missing parts of the game due to pointless cut aways or replays...

 

[Dave_MUFC]

Watching this with crowd sound, and honestly, I can't go back. The difference is night and day.

Love the fact that the crowd also react to goals, cards, saves etc.

Really hope all the leagues add crowd noise when they restart.

 

[do.ob]

Crowd noise works. Just stuck it on and took me 5 minutes to realise theres no crowd

I have the impression that they also use camera angles that omit the stands more. I watched a game, don't remember which, and I forgot all about missing fans as well, even without the noise, because I never saw anything but the pitch.

This is getting embarrassing now. First Gnabry missing a clear 1 on 1, then a minute later gets another and finishes it.

Bosz's decision to play Amiri and Bailey, two pure attacking wingers/midfielders, at the wing back positions has backfired horribly. Bayern have simply eaten them wide, 2 of Bayern's three goals coming because their wingbacks haven't been able to track Bayern's wingers.

Why the hell Bosz tried it today, given that previously he has always had proper wingbacks in those positions (Wendell, Sindgraven, Weiser), is beyond me.

Nice to see Goretzka doing well, assisted one (after a good interception) and then scored one. Having a good 2020 thus far.

It's a bit reminiscent of his demise at Dortmund. I love how ambitious he is with his tactics, but sometimes you have to acknowledge that you don't have the players for such a demanding appraoch and better be more conservative. Sometimes he seems a bit slow/too naive to accept that. Hradecky being a complete liability doesn't help either of course, not the first time I've seen him ruin a game this season, I think it was their CL debut against Moscow where he put on a similar shit show.

 

[Eendracht maakt macht]

Thomas Müller is the epitome of football intelligence.

 

[James Peril]

Hübner and Upamecano.... shocking level of intelligence shown for both red cards.

 

[cyberman]

I have the impression that they also use camera angles that omit the stands more. I watched a game, don't remember which, and I forgot all about missing fans as well, even without the noise, because I never saw anything but the pitch.



It's a bit reminiscent of his demise at Dortmund. I love how ambitious he is with his tactics, but sometimes you have to acknowledge that you don't have the players for such a demanding appraoch and better be more conservative. Sometimes he seems a bit slow/too naive to accept that. Hradecky being a complete liability doesn't help either of course, not the first time I've seen him ruin a game this season, I think it was their CL debut against Moscow where he put on a similar shit show.

I only remembered there wasn't a crowd when I realised I could hear the players shouting.
I can see myself getting lost in it when there's games im actually invested in. The mind is a powerful thing!

 

[Piratesoup]

I actually miss hearing the players shout already...

 

[Peyroteo]

Bayern are scary good.

Muller on top form is the secret to making them tick imo, he's brilliant.

 

[hasanejaz88]

I have the impression that they also use camera angles that omit the stands more. I watched a game, don't remember which, and I forgot all about missing fans as well, even without the noise, because I never saw anything but the pitch.



It's a bit reminiscent of his demise at Dortmund. I love how ambitious he is with his tactics, but sometimes you have to acknowledge that you don't have the players for such a demanding appraoch and better be more conservative. Sometimes he seems a bit slow/too naive to accept that. Hradecky being a complete liability doesn't help either of course, not the first time I've seen him ruin a game this season, I think it was their CL debut against Moscow where he put on a similar shit show.

Yea you can imagine someone like Burki, Neuer or Sommer coming out and clearing those three one-on-one chances Bayern got, but Hradecky doesn't seem to be that keen in coming out. He's a decent keeper, not much better or worse than what Leno was (though Leno has improved at Arsenal). Actually I don't think any keeper in the BL right now is true top drawer other than Neuer. Even for Sommer and Burki, who are having better seasons than before, they concede goals that probably should be saved, so I wouldn't put them beyond being good/decent keepers themselves. Similar level to Hradecky.

I think Leverkusen is Hradecky's level, and Hradecky is Leverkusen's level.

 

[Solius]

Crowd noise is so much better. Wondering how they make it so that they react in real time to things like shots missing?

 

[do.ob]

Crowd noise is so much better. Wondering how they make it so that they react in real time to things like shots missing?

Odds are they have a "DJ" mixing the sound.

Yea you can imagine someone like Burki, Neuer or Sommer coming out and clearing those three one-on-one chances Bayern got, but Hradecky doesn't seem to be that keen in coming out. He's a decent keeper, not much better or worse than what Leno was (though Leno has improved at Arsenal). Actually I don't think any keeper in the BL right now is true top drawer other than Neuer. Even for Sommer and Burki, who are having better seasons than before, they concede goals that probably should be saved, so I wouldn't put them beyond being good/decent keepers themselves. Similar level to Hradecky.

I think Leverkusen is Hradecky's level, and Hradecky is Leverkusen's level.

Judging a keeper is obviously very difficult if you don't watch every match. But I would say Sommer and Bürki (Gulacsi as well is my impression) are good, well rounded and reliable keepers. They aren't world class, they don't have the same dominance as Neuer, but they will give you reliable performances, with the odd world class save and the odd (honest/random) mistake. Hradecky however looks more and more like a choker to me. The first and third goal are just shocking goal keeping, coming out a bit, then hesitating in the middle of nowhere, leaving a good finishing angle exposed. Second goal didn't look impossible to save either.

 

[One Night Only]

Mainz another goal disallowed for offside, looked on aswell.

 

[Damien]

Lewandowski scored. 4:1 Bayern

 

[GifLord]

1-4
Lewandowski

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Bayern are scary good.

Muller on top form is the secret to making them tick imo, he's brilliant.

Amazing that he wasn't getting a look in with Nico Kovac.

 

[GhastlyHun]

1-4
Lewandowski

Perfect cross and what a powerful header.

Amazing that he wasn't getting a look in with Nico Kovac.

He also didn't produce performances like that when he got in under Kovac, but that's to a big part because we had no attacking plan or anything.

 

[SilentStrike]

Muller is such an incredibly good passer. Really among the very best passers in football. Just such an underrated skill of his.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Muller is such an incredibly good passer. Really among the very best passers in football. Just such an underrated skill of his.

He never looks elegant while doing stuff, that's always skewing peoples' perception of his technical skills. He is definitely gifted enough to pull off his ideas, which are still among the best in the game.

 

[do.ob]

Amazing that he wasn't getting a look in with Nico Kovac.

I think a simplistic way of analyzing Müller would be to say he is as good as the team that plays around him. Ancelotti, Müller and Löw (lately) didn't just all have an irrational dislike of him. You have a fluid attack that plays well organized positional football and creates space for him then he can play out his strengths to the fullest. Put him in a dysfunctional, static attack where space/movement is scarce and he can look past it.

 

[MrMarcello]

Is Diaby normally better?

His decision making has been suspect today.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I think a simplistic way of analyzing Müller would be to say he is as good as the team that plays around him. Ancelotti, Müller and Löw (lately) didn't just all have an irrational dislike of him. You have a fluid attack that plays well organized positional football and creates space for him then he can play out his strengths to the fullest. Put him in a dysfunctional, static attack where space/movement is scarce and he can look past it.

Fair enough. This Bayern team are certainly a well oiled machine.

 

[GifLord]

2-4
Wirtz

 

[SilentStrike]

I think a simplistic way of analyzing Müller would be to say he is as good as the team that plays around him. Ancelotti, Müller and Löw (lately) didn't just all have an irrational dislike of him. You have a fluid attack that plays well organized positional football and creates space for him then he can play out his strengths to the fullest. Put him in a dysfunctional, static attack where space/movement is scarce and he can look past it.

I think in the case of Löw he was more looking for scapegoats of his own tactical failings.

Löw must be so glad right now that the Euro has been prosponed to next year, as right now he has not a single justification of not taking Müller and Hummels and imo even Boateng.

 

[anant]

Leipzig drew vs Paderborn. Despite being down to 10 men, Leipzig created enough chances to have scored more - Haidara most notably missing the target from 4 yards out in the dying seconds of the game. Also, Werner had a few decent chancres- should have converted atleast one of those chances

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

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[do.ob]

I think in the case of Löw he was more looking for scapegoats of his own tactical failings.

Löw must be so glad right now that the Euro has been prosponed to next year, as right now he has not a single justification of not taking Müller and Hummels and imo even Boateng.

Müller genuinely wasn't very good after things went downhill for the NT in general. He recoded his last goal or assist in a friendly in March 2018, he was in the squad for 10 games after that.

 

[strongwalker]

I think in the case of Löw he was more looking for scapegoats of his own tactical failings.

Löw must be so glad right now that the Euro has been prosponed to next year, as right now he has not a single justification of not taking Müller and Hummels and imo even Boateng.

Löw as a national team coach has a playerbase of 300+ to pick from, and after the last tournaments it was obvious that some rebuilding was in order. Aging legends that rank high in the team hierarchy can be a problem in such a process. I understand Löw saw the need for a cut (although he made a proper mess out of it).
Kovac and Ancelotti were just too mainstream and/or feeling under pressure to risk anything unconventional, playing Müller takes guts - play by the book and you lose, well you did what you could. Do something excentric and lose, its your fault.

 

[SilentStrike]

Müller genuinely wasn't very good after things went downhill for the NT in general. He recoded his last goal or assist in a friendly in March 2018, he was in the squad for 10 games after that.

That doesn't justify permanently ending his NT carreer. It was a definite end, not a temporary one. Right now, Löw would look really stupid going to the Euros without Müller

 

[do.ob]

That doesn't justify permanently ending his NT carreer. It was a definite end, not a temporary one. Right now, Löw would look really stupid going to the Euros without Müller

Funnily enough Hummels and Boateng (more recently) have also been in great shape since Löw kicked them out. Something had to change in DIE MANNSCHAFT and removing the old guard to give the youngsters an opportunity to grow into the vacuum can be an answer. But my point wasn't about that, it was that Müller's international performances at the time justified picking someone else.

 

[Piratesoup]

Löw as a national team coach has a playerbase of 300+ to pick from, and after the last tournaments it was obvious that some rebuilding was in order. Aging legends that rank high in the team hierarchy can be a problem in such a process. I understand Löw saw the need for a cut (although he made a proper mess out of it).
Kovac and Ancelotti were just too mainstream and/or feeling under pressure to risk anything unconventional, playing Müller takes guts - play by the book and you lose, well you did what you could. Do something excentric and lose, its your fault.

Löw was perfectly happy keeping Podolski for about 4 years after his expiration date. Löw has always played favorites and he got rid of the people that don't shy away from speaking their mind in Müller und Hummels. The decision was bollocks then and looks completely stupid now.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Leipzig drew vs Paderborn. Despite being down to 10 men, Leipzig created enough chances to have scored more - Haidara most notably missing the target from 4 yards out in the dying seconds of the game. Also, Werner had a few decent chancres- should have converted atleast one of those chances

Leipzeg have become comical at home. I can't remember the last time they won at home, drawn a lot of matches.

 

[prateik]

Just started watching BT sports pre match for the Dortmund game..
they called Axel Witsel a senior player and suddenly I felt old.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Jadon Sancho looks pissed off.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Odds are they have a "DJ" mixing the sound.



Judging a keeper is obviously very difficult if you don't watch every match. But I would say Sommer and Bürki (Gulacsi as well is my impression) are good, well rounded and reliable keepers. They aren't world class, they don't have the same dominance as Neuer, but they will give you reliable performances, with the odd world class save and the odd (honest/random) mistake. Hradecky however looks more and more like a choker to me. The first and third goal are just shocking goal keeping, coming out a bit, then hesitating in the middle of nowhere, leaving a good finishing angle exposed. Second goal didn't look impossible to save either.

Hey I won't say I watch every match of Dortmund, Gladbach and Leipzeg but I watch highlights for those I miss. I agree with your assessment of Gulacsi, Sommer and Burki, they aren't world class but good keepers. I don't think Hradecky is outside of that range though, his shot stopping is generally really good.

 

[Sayros]

The rivers are very choppy today, anybody know of calmer waters?