Cop in America doing a bad job, again

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@choiboyx012

when you guys do your training, are you not told to try and aim for legs and shit, if someone is unarmed? Doesn’t seem to make any sense to ever need to shoot someone who’s not unarmed in the chest/face area. And also how come there’s a reluctancy to draw a taser?

 

[choiboyx012]

Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.

 

[choiboyx012]

@choiboyx012

when you guys do your training, are you not told to try and aim for legs and shit, if someone is unarmed? Doesn’t seem to make any sense to ever need to shoot someone who’s not unarmed in the chest/face area. And also how come there’s a reluctancy to draw a taser?

In deadly force situations, no we don’t train to shoot at limbs. If you have time, distance, cover, and backup on a person who has a knife/bat then someone else should have a taser or 40mm beanbag shotgun type of less-lethal to avoid shooting.
In this incident specifically it looks like the taser failed for both officers. It’s kind of hard to see though.

 

[choiboyx012]

 

[entropy]

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[forevrared]

Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.

Wasn't it the Tazer they'd already deployed on him and wouldn't that render it useless from range?

 

[RedPed]

Lawyer's statement saying he was shot in the back and the cops were seen by witnesses picking up the shell casings before the GBI arrived while Brooks was lying on the ground for several minutes wounded.

Absolutely disgraceful from those pigs.

 

[choiboyx012]

Wasn't it the Tazer they'd already deployed on him and wouldn't that render it useless from range?

Possibly. Can’t really tell from the shaky video.

 

[GiddyUp]

Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.

So execution it is.

 

[GiddyUp]

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If it continues these guys are eventually gonna have a decommissioned aircraft carrier sitting on Lake Tahoe.

 

[Man of Leisure]

So execution it is.

I mean, what was the cop supposed to do? The guy stole his taser and turned around looking like he was gonna use it. At what point is it a justified shooting? Even if he shot his leg, I think some of you would think that would be too egregious.

 

[Man of Leisure]

And no, I'm not saying the guy deserved to die before any of you go there. Or even be shot. Genuinely asking, what do you think the cop should have done?

 

[berbatrick]

And no, I'm not saying the guy deserved to die before any of you go there. Or even be shot. Genuinely asking, what do you think the cop should have done?

looks like other cops have reacted differently to more serious situations

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[Man of Leisure]

looks like other cops have reacted differently to more serious situations

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I mean, that's a totally different situation. From what I can tell in the video, that looks like a shoplifter? And when he turns around and shoots at him, wouldn't the cop be justified firing back? I mean, it's good that the situation ended without anyone being injured and all (if that's indeed what happened), but the guy running away actually shot at him?

 

[Man of Leisure]

The more I think about it, that's such a strange tweet. I don't think anyone's claiming the cops had to kill. But the cop there is only uninjured because the shoplifter missed. Should the standard police response be let yourself be shot at and hope the guy has the aim of a stormtrooper?

Found a news account - https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-video-shows-alleged-shoplifter-shooting-police/story?id=57410159

 

[calodo2003]

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A school police district had fecking grenade launchers in their arsenal.
feck me, my country sucks.

 

[Man of Leisure]

A school police district had fecking grenade launchers in their arsenal.
feck me, my country sucks.

Yah, bit of overkill that.

 

[choiboyx012]

So execution it is.

Nah

 

[choiboyx012]

looks like other cops have reacted differently to more serious situations

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That tweet is another attempt at race-baiting. Both incidents are very different, and each incident should be judged on its own merits anyway.
The Atlanta one was a bad shoot. The NM one the guy wasn’t holding anything but in seconds drew out a firearm and shot. However, I could see that he was reaching in his waistband while running. At that point I would have drawn my gun and pointed at him in case he did present a firearm.

 

[Man of Leisure]

That tweet is another attempt at race-baiting.

Initially didn’t even notice the part in the tweet where he mentions race.

 

[caid]

I mean, what was the cop supposed to do? The guy stole his taser and turned around looking like he was gonna use it. At what point is it a justified shooting? Even if he shot his leg, I think some of you would think that would be too egregious.

Its kind of hard to judge tbh.
Shooting him in the back obviously isn't a good answer but there's layers upon layers of pretty broken stuff in there. Anyone and everyone having a gun being a good one. Suspect probably justifiably feeling like he's in a life or death situation being another. You'd probably have to list off a hundred different changes to even begin untangling that mess.
Letting him escape probably have been preferable i'd think. Shooting should be an absolute last resort really and doing so should raise serious questions. There'll be times its definitely justified - America is just too damn dangerous for it to avoided at times but this doesn't look like one of them.

 

[Man of Leisure]

Letting him escape probably have been preferable i'd think. Shooting should be an absolute last resort really and doing so should raise serious questions. There'll be times its definitely justified - America is just too damn dangerous for it to avoided at times but this doesn't look like one of them.

While I think you're right, it's a tough call. If a cop lets someone go, and that person ends up hurting someone else, there'd be a lot of questions raised.

 

[adexkola]

While I think you're right, it's a tough call. If a cop lets someone go, and that person ends up hurting someone else, there'd be a lot of questions raised.

feck outta here this guy was sleeping in his car. He's gonna run away and harm who... So let's pump lead in him just in case? Ignoring the whole innocent until guilty thing?

 

[hobbers]

Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.

Wasn't his partner incapacitated though? He certainly wasn't quick to get up.

 

[utdalltheway]

His partner was behind him trying to catch up, at least that’s what it looked like.
another example of deadly force by US cops. How many more do we need to make a change?
Go for the police pension fund and change will be immediate.

 

[adexkola]

Just disband them

 

[utdalltheway]

We need cops. Just need to change the current system. It’s not working. It hasn’t worked for a very long time. How long more until it’s realized?

 

[Beans]

not the best lot of apples

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The police in this thread are really nice fellows have you talked to them? Apparently that counts for something against this madness.

 

[RedPed]

I mean, what was the cop supposed to do? The guy stole his taser and turned around looking like he was gonna use it. At what point is it a justified shooting? Even if he shot his leg, I think some of you would think that would be too egregious.

And no, I'm not saying the guy deserved to die before any of you go there. Or even be shot. Genuinely asking, what do you think the cop should have done?

They knew who he was, they had his car, assistance was on the way. They could have chased him in their car and boxed him in. Or they could have just picked him up in the morning. He hadn't even committed a crime in the first place for feck's sake. They could have just checked he was ok and made sure he got home safely, which is what would have happened if it was a white person I'm sure.

This faux rationalisation of police brutality just has to stop.

 

[That'sHernandez]

I mean, that's a totally different situation. From what I can tell in the video, that looks like a shoplifter? And when he turns around and shoots at him, wouldn't the cop be justified firing back? I mean, it's good that the situation ended without anyone being injured and all (if that's indeed what happened), but the guy running away actually shot at him?

100% the officer would be justified in firing back. The point is he didn’t, despite almost potentially losing his life; therefore the use of deadly force in the other scenario, while an option, was not necessarily required. Obviously everyone handles stressful/traumatic situations like that differently. If you ask me, if you can’t handle the situation with the taser without resorting to taking a life you probably shouldn’t be given a gun.

 

[Pow]

Wait they were arresting him first and at one point they even had him on the ground before he broke free. At that point would they have not discerned if he had a weapon on him ?

 

[Cassidy]

While I think you're right, it's a tough call. If a cop lets someone go, and that person ends up hurting someone else, there'd be a lot of questions raised.

Its not a tough call for a suspected DUI

 

[Cassidy]

And no, I'm not saying the guy deserved to die before any of you go there. Or even be shot. Genuinely asking, what do you think the cop should have done?

Chase him down, call for backup or admit defeat and let him go.

Shooting should never be an option when trying to apprehend someone for a non violent crime of which they have not been found guilty.

There is no reasonable reason to think that the man getting away was going to be a great danger to the lives of the general public

 

[Rado_N]

While I think you're right, it's a tough call. If a cop lets someone go, and that person ends up hurting someone else, there'd be a lot of questions raised.

Sleeping in the passenger seat of your car definitely needs to end in being shot in the back 3 times, I mean if they hadn’t killed him who knows what he could have gone on and done.

 

[TheReligion]

looks like other cops have reacted differently to more serious situations

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The more I think about it, that's such a strange tweet. I don't think anyone's claiming the cops had to kill. But the cop there is only uninjured because the shoplifter missed. Should the standard police response be let yourself be shot at and hope the guy has the aim of a stormtrooper?

Found a news account - https://abcnews.go.com/US/body-cam-video-shows-alleged-shoplifter-shooting-police/story?id=57410159

100% the officer would be justified in firing back. The point is he didn’t, despite almost potentially losing his life; therefore the use of deadly force in the other scenario, while an option, was not necessarily required. Obviously everyone handles stressful/traumatic situations like that differently. If you ask me, if you can’t handle the situation with the taser without resorting to taking a life you probably shouldn’t be given a gun.

The use of force to kill in the UK has to be considered reasonable and absolutely necessary. I can't see how this was the case in the latest US shooting video, especially when you consider the guy was simply suspected of drink driving and was running away. Obviously the stolen taser, which is classed as a firearm here, massively escalates matters but even still is it absolutely necessary to take a life? I certainly don't think so.

The said the above tweet is a mess and is most certainly put there to stir up more tension. Posting an example of an officer almost being killed as if to say "that's what they should do" is utter bollocks. Each set of circumstances and individual is different.

 

[Grinner]

How can a taser be a firearm?

 

[That'sHernandez]

How can a taser be a firearm?

Fires projectiles that can immobilise the target. Seems fairly logical, if a little loose?

 

[TheReligion]

How can a taser be a firearm?

It is in the UK. It's classed as a S5 firearm. As is incapacitatent spray (CS gas etc). Without going too much into it it's due to the fact you can continually discharge it.

 

[Grinner]

Fires projectiles that can immobilise the target. Seems fairly logical, if a little loose?

I don't know official definitions obviously. But it's fair to say that it is considered non-lethal. I don't think any other firearms in the traditional sense are non-lethal.

 

[Grinner]

It is in the UK. It's classed as a S5 firearm. As is incapacitatent spray (CS gas etc). Without going too much into it it's due to the fact you can continually discharge it.

Does it meed the requirement for response with deadly force if it's employed against you?