It fires projectiles that usually stuns but may actually kill. So it’s a firearm.How can a taser be a firearm?
Having been accidentally sprayed with CS gas on several occasions and wanting to kill my colleagues I'm going to say yes..Does it meed the requirement for response with deadly force if it's employed against you?
Yep, cowardly cops, got their asses beat so 3 bullets in the back. Don't worry though, the union and hopefully the 1st autopsy will take care of it.
He shot him 3 times in the back. How about chase after him. It alao seems to me from the video that he fired the taser and missed. Do you thing he deserved to die for this?I mean, what was the cop supposed to do? The guy stole his taser and turned around looking like he was gonna use it. At what point is it a justified shooting? Even if he shot his leg, I think some of you would think that would be too egregious.
So a person can justify lethal force if he is getting beaten to a pulp by police as well? I mean if it's life and death you do what you gotta do. If you are being choked by a police officer and you can't breath can you turn the tables if possible and choke out the copper? It's not like you went in to a church and murdered 12 people, you committed a non violent crime or fell asleep in a parking lot, no way are you getting the death penalty but a police force reckons it's ok for you to die for that after they escalate a situation or fail to descalate. When can people fight back to save their lives? Never?You can justify using lethal force if you were getting beaten to a pulp for instance. There doesn't need to be a firearm present or any other aggravating factor. It's all about the circumstances and applying them with the law. As I said in this situation I can't see how it was absolutely necessary to kill him.
It was a drink driving offence, they likely knew who he was, there was no threat to the wider public or themselves, he was running away with the firearm.
@choiboyx012 made a valid point that there is an argument that if he was trying to taser the officer you could look to justify it given the implications of that could be to cause the officer serious injury/death or allow him to take his gun and become a wider risk to the public. I still think it's a stretch mind but it's certainly the way this is going to play out I feel.
It seemed like he was right behind him.Wasn't his partner incapacitated though? He certainly wasn't quick to get up.
No one said it’s ok for him to die.So a person can justify lethal force if he is getting beaten to a pulp by police as well? I mean if it's life and death you do what you gotta do. If you are being choked by a police officer and you can't breath can you turn the tables if possible and choke out the copper? It's not like you went in to a church and murdered 12 people, you committed a non violent crime or fell asleep in a parking lot, no way are you getting the death penalty but a police force reckons it's ok for you to die for that after they escalate a situation or fail to descalate. When can people fight back to save their lives? Never?
Nah, I'm almost certain this wouldn't have been the case. This happened in Atlanta, not in podunk Mayberry.They knew who he was, they had his car, assistance was on the way. They could have chased him in their car and boxed him in. Or they could have just picked him up in the morning. He hadn't even committed a crime in the first place for feck's sake. They could have just checked he was ok and made sure he got home safely, which is what would have happened if it was a white person I'm sure.
Yah, you and @RedPed point out some valid alternatives to the nuclear option. But at the moment when the guy turns around with a taser in his hand, there's gotta be another option for the cop other than hoping he misses. Yes, shooting might be too strong, but surely he must have felt threatened and should be able to defend himself. Can't tell from the Wendy's video at which point the police fire their guns.Chase him down, call for backup or admit defeat and let him go.
Shooting should never be an option when trying to apprehend someone for a non violent crime of which they have not been found guilty.
There is no reasonable reason to think that the man getting away was going to be a great danger to the lives of the general public
I think you know that's not what I was implying. Didn't realize they shot him 3 times though. That's bad.Sleeping in the passenger seat of your car definitely needs to end in being shot in the back 3 times, I mean if they hadn’t killed him who knows what he could have gone on and done.
Of course not, don't think anyone is saying that. Seems like the biggest mistake from the police (besides the obvious shooting the dude in the back three times) was letting him grab the cop's taser and escaping from them in the first place. Would be horribly ironic if that leads to justification for using more force when arresting someone.He shot him 3 times in the back. How about chase after him. It alao seems to me from the video that he fired the taser and missed. Do you thing he deserved to die for this?
Clearly was an idiot. But I'm sympathetic to him possibly being so drunk, that he had no clue what he was doing. And of course, he didn't deserve to die as plenty have already mentioned.Guy was an idiot. If you're fighting cops, take one of their weapons and then aim it at them then what the feck do you think is gonna happen?
Sorry I'm not sure why you're getting worked up by what I've said?So a person can justify lethal force if he is getting beaten to a pulp by police as well? I mean if it's life and death you do what you gotta do. If you are being choked by a police officer and you can't breath can you turn the tables if possible and choke out the copper? It's not like you went in to a church and murdered 12 people, you committed a non violent crime or fell asleep in a parking lot, no way are you getting the death penalty but a police force reckons it's ok for you to die for that after they escalate a situation or fail to descalate. When can people fight back to save their lives? Never?
It doesn't matter, I've witnessed the difference growing up. The perceived threat from a suspect it heightened by the race of the suspect.Nah, I'm almost certain this wouldn't have been the case. This happened in Atlanta, not in podunk Mayberry.
It's interesting you also point out the suspect hasn't been found guilty of a crime yet. By that logic, firing your weapon should never be an option under any circumstance since you can only be found guilty in a court of law.
I think you know that's not what I was implying. Didn't realize they shot him 3 times though. That's bad.
In the UK police don't standardly carry firearms (not counting tazers), but then again neither do the public.How does the data compare between the US and other Western nations with incidents like this?
(When a suspect resists and the police shoot him dead)
I feel like only in the US does this stuff constantly escalate to the point that the suspect gets killed. People resist in Western Europe too but I'm quite confident they don't get killed as much as people in the US.
Is it the fear for civilian-owned guns?
If someone beats me up and runs away and I pick up a gun and shoot them in the back as they are fleeing, I'm getting arrested that very day.
He left his car there. They knew who he was. It's ok to admit you got your ass beat, and follow up and arrest the perp the next day. Then charge him with the crime of resisting arrest and assault and so on.
The officer was fired justifiably so but I'm not sure why so many are comfortable with the idea that in a system where it takes the death of an individual to realize, "oh that's a bad cop", said system can be reformed by just removing the bad cops. Which again, are only identified when they kill someone.
How is a drunk man who resists arrest, fires a taser at the police roaming around the streets not a threat?It doesn't matter, I've witnessed the difference growing up. The perceived threat from a suspect it heightened by the race of the suspect.
Erm no. Firing your weapon is an option if you believe the suspect to be a mortal danger to yourself, colleague, or the general public.
Not acceptable firing on an unarmed person, who was suspected, key work being suspected of committing a non-violent crime. Whilst he was running away with his back turned. I believe he was sitting in the passenger seat of the car so it is not even clear if he even committed the crime of DUI.
Now he did resist arrest, so yes this is a crime, one which validates the force displayed by the officer whilst he was running away NO!
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A threat to himself for sure.How is a drunk man who resists arrest, fires a taser at the police roaming around the streets not a threat?
The reason a drunk driver is pulled over is because they can harm someone else.A threat to himself for sure.
But society or someone else? You are reaching...
What if your dad had never met your mum? Hypothetical escalations do nothing but to reinforce the problem.I am thinking about anyone who says he deserved to die. I cant think of anyone. I dont even know if that cop thinks that.
However this guy was an idiot. Its sad. But you dont do what he did and expect to live.
Had he took a civilian hostage then what? Easy to share tweets and mash your keyboard but the real world is different
He was asleep in the passenger side of a parked vehicle.The reason a drunk driver is pulled over is because they can harm someone else.
Would you feel safe with that man near you with a taser in his hand? I can tell you I wouldn't.
It's America, I guarantee that there are thousands of drunk people in possession of weapons more deadly than a taser every night.I am thinking about anyone who says he deserved to die. I cant think of anyone. I dont even know if that cop thinks that.
However this guy was an idiot. Its sad. But you dont do what he did and expect to live.
Had he took a civilian hostage then what? Easy to share tweets and mash your keyboard but the real world is different
And if any of those drunk people with guns resist arrest in such a manner they will get shot. Its for the safety of citizens. This man was clearly not stable. The cops in this case were respectful and very cooperative.It's America, I guarantee that there are thousands of drunk people in possession of weapons more deadly than a taser every night.
It doesn't justify his death, especially when the cops actually had him accosted and he wasn't under arrest in the first place.
Also don't bring hypothetical questions in a situation where a man was killed, its classless.
Par for the course in here at the moment. How you doing? Good I hope.Also don't bring hypothetical questions in a situation where a man was killed, its classless.
More hypothetical statements being made.And if any of those drunk people with guns resist arrest in such a manner they will get shot. Its for the safety of citizens. This man was clearly not stable. The cops in this case were respectful and very cooperative.
You simply dont run away like that. Like I said real life isnt Twitter
Mentally exhausted if i'm honest, but keeping the spirits as positive as I can.Par for the course in here at the moment. How you doing? Good I hope.
1. We don't know if he was drunk (maybe we do now) but as far as I know we don't know that.How is a drunk man who resists arrest, fires a taser at the police roaming around the streets not a threat?
My Atlanta vs Mayberry comparison was in response to redped saying if this was a white person he's pretty sure they would have just gotten him home safely. I simply don't think that'd be the case. If you're suspected of DUI in a big city, you're getting arrested regardless of color.It doesn't matter, I've witnessed the difference growing up. The perceived threat from a suspect it heightened by the race of the suspect.
But he was armed. Unless you're not considering the taser as a weapon? As for shooting him in the back, yes that's fecking bad. Didn't realize that's what happened when I first saw the video. The passenger seat is confusing. If he wasn't the driver, then why would he even be arrested?Erm no. Firing your weapon is an option if you believe the suspect to be a mortal danger to yourself, colleague, or the general public.
Not acceptable firing on an unarmed person, who was suspected, key work being suspected of committing a non-violent crime. Whilst he was running away with his back turned. I believe he was sitting in the passenger seat of the car so it is not even clear if he even committed the crime of DUI.
Of course not.Now he did resist arrest, so yes this is a crime, one which validates the force displayed by the officer whilst he was running away NO!
The guy should've just gotten out of his car, allowed the cop to run his plates, taken the ticket and then driven off. Instead he tried to become a social media hero by attempting to vlog himself out of routine stop, and in the process probably got arrested. Some people are really dumb.This demonstrates one of the major issues - fragile ego. The cop can’t handle that the guy is ‘winning’ and in the right so he’s desperately trying to show who’s boss because he knows he has a lot of power and backup behind him.
Ironically, probably less of a threat than if he had woken up and started driving as intoxicated as he appeared to be.How is a drunk man who resists arrest, fires a taser at the police roaming around the streets not a threat?
Thereby allowing power hungry cops to continue with their madness.The guy should've just gotten out of his car, allowed the cop to run his plates, taken the ticket and then driven off. Instead he tried to become a social media hero by attempting to vlog himself out of routine stop, and in the process probably got arrested. Some people are really dumb.
Even though I agree with you. The officer attempted to pepper spray him which was totally out of order.The guy should've just gotten out of his car, allowed the cop to run his plates, taken the ticket and then driven off. Instead he tried to become a social media hero by attempting to vlog himself out of routine stop, and in the process probably got arrested. Some people are really dumb.
Cop was being a complete dickhead there. While I sorta agree with you that he didn't need to escalate the situation by refusing to get out and continue filming. But from what I could tell, the cop was the one at fault here and could have just written him a ticket. Sad to say, things prolly would have gone down differently if the driver was black.The guy should've just gotten out of his car, allowed the cop to run his plates, taken the ticket and then driven off. Instead he tried to become a social media hero by attempting to vlog himself out of routine stop, and in the process probably got arrested. Some people are really dumb.
Or if his pepper spray canister wasn't empty.Cop was being a complete dickhead there. While I sorta agree with you that he didn't need to escalate the situation by refusing to get out and continue filming. But from what I could tell, the cop was the one at fault here and could have just written him a ticket. Sad to say, things prolly would have gone down differently if the driver was black.
