Top 4 Race 19/20 | duffer: "We [Chelsea] are getting 3rd. Despite what the lunatics in here think, Man United are not all that."

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It would be absolutely amazing if Sheff Utd got into the CL, but even Wolves would be fun.

Imagine if both Chelsea and Leicester drop out :lol:
and to think that isn't out of the realm of possibilities is quite unbelievable really. Leicester have to play Sheffield, Spurs and Us, and Chelsea have to play Liverpool and Wolves. Its very very possible.
 

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They've just reverted to the mean. Rodgers came in and they outperformed in all areas, now they've levelled out to their true ability.
Perhaps, they did seem to outperform their xG.

Strange season however. Chelsea's goal difference is poorer than Leicester's yet they find themselves a point ahead. This is very much like 11/12, Spurs were so far in front of everyone in third, yet in the space of a week Arsenal made up 9 points on them. It just goes to show you top four qualification is all about how you end the season.
 

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Massive bonus for us today, I did not see Bournemouth getting a result, never mind helping us with the GD. A win tomorrow is huge.
 

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That's a premium embossed with glitter Christmas card coming your way this winter, Bournemouth. Cheers.
 

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Perhaps, they did seem to outperform their xG.

Strange season however. Chelsea's goal difference is poorer than Leicester's yet they find themselves a point ahead. This is very much like 11/12, Spurs were so far in front of everyone in third, yet in the space of a week Arsenal made up 9 points on them. It just goes to show you top four qualification is all about how you end the season.
According to Understat, they are still nine goals to the good offensively and defensively (for a goal difference of 18!), but only three points overperforming now.
 

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I hope we don't somehow get into a situation where we need to smash West Ham for GD and then beat Leicester on the last day.
 

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What a fecking result, had so much work on I checked when it was 1-0 and thought it’s a foregone conclusion. Can’t believe my eyes!

Please United, just win our next couple of games and we should have a few point gap.

Great result for the goal difference too.
 

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What's this notion we have a tough run in. I mean, Sheff U away, Norwich home, Pool away and Wolves home last day is not a tough run in, per se. We can afford to lose a game, too. Only 9 pts needed to guarantee CL. Fancy us to beat Sheff U away if we can defend - and Norwich home. Liverpool we can afford to lose in that instance, Wolves home i think we will get something.

Utd's run of Villa away, Soton home, Palace away, West Ham home, Leicester away could be considered tougher. Ok there is no "big" sides in there as such, but some tough teams. Nothing is certain of course, but you cannot rule out a draw or 2 in there
Looking good there bud.
 

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Extremely difficult? Are you living in December or something :lol:
Not at all, I just think there's a surprise in there. It's the most competitive league in the world, United had a bad early spell against Villa.

There's still plenty to play for, get past Southampton and Palace and I think at that point United can relax a little, I see Leicester drawing or losing to Spurs.

I genuinely feel the next 3 fixtures won't be as easy as we are expecting, I honestly think the team is playing brilliant right now, and I think Ole is building something special, but certainly not out of the woods yet.

I'm hoping for Top 3 + Europa League, that would be a dream finish to the season.

Of course the FA Cup would be the cherry on the cake.
 

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What a couple of great results for us, bring on tomorrow, tough one but game on now.
 

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Our run in incl tomorrow is no gimme either. West Ham will still be chasing points. CP can be tough.
The Saints tomorrow though is job #1.
While true we have no excuses not to make it from the position we are in. Still hoping city get banned to make it even easier.
 

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Holy fecking shit. The old gods and the new are smiling upon us. Earlier this season when other teams fecked up we didn’t make use of that opportunity. Tomorrow is our biggest opportunity yet. Let’s not implode like the other teams around us. Please go 3rd even if it’s only for 24 hours.
We may not get all the points available, but given the form and team spirit we have right now, I can't see how we implode.

In previous seasons, we could never predict our next result because our form was so erratic, but that has all changed since Bruno came.

I'm very confident we will create the chances to win every remaining game, and the team simply needs to trust itself to get over the line.
 

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I think that wins against Palace and Saints will be enough for us. Leicester will not beat Spurs and Chelsea will not beat Liverpool. Both will not anyway. Which is enough for us.
Plus City ban. Plus Europa League.

Yeah, we are back in CL. I am calling it
 

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Went out when it was 0-1 to Leicester. Coming back and its christmas again in the middle of summer :lol: Must have been one helluva breakdown!
 

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What's this notion we have a tough run in. I mean, Sheff U away, Norwich home, Pool away and Wolves home last day is not a tough run in, per se. We can afford to lose a game, too. Only 9 pts needed to guarantee CL. Fancy us to beat Sheff U away if we can defend - and Norwich home. Liverpool we can afford to lose in that instance, Wolves home i think we will get something.

Utd's run of Villa away, Soton home, Palace away, West Ham home, Leicester away could be considered tougher. Ok there is no "big" sides in there as such, but some tough teams. Nothing is certain of course, but you cannot rule out a draw or 2 in there
If you fail to beat Liverpool away (and they haven't lost there for years) and Wolves win their next 2 games - Burnley (A) and Crystal P (H), that final game will be a CL place playoff.

Squeaky bum time?
 

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Not at all, I just think there's a surprise in there. It's the most competitive league in the world, United had a bad early spell against Villa.

There's still plenty to play for, get past Southampton and Palace and I think at that point United can relax a little, I see Leicester drawing or losing to Spurs.

I genuinely feel the next 3 fixtures won't be as easy as we are expecting, I honestly think the team is playing brilliant right now, and I think Ole is building something special, but certainly not out of the woods yet.

I'm hoping for Top 3 + Europa League, that would be a dream finish to the season.

Of course the FA Cup would be the cherry on the cake.
We are Manchester United. Unbeaten in 17 games. We should expect to win every game and I see no reason why we shouldn't. Any team can lose any game but being negative gets you absolutely nowhere.

To suggest our fixtures are 'extremely difficult' is an extreme exaggeration. Our run-in is the easiest of the teams we are competing with.
 

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Win the next 3 and we may seal 3rd!

Won't come down to the last day of the season. Chelsea, Wolves and Leicester all have tough games. We have the best run in, no doubt.

The wins against City and Chelsea in our current run have really made a big difference to the whole picture!

So excited for tomorrow now.
 

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Perhaps, they did seem to outperform their xG.

Strange season however. Chelsea's goal difference is poorer than Leicester's yet they find themselves a point ahead. This is very much like 11/12, Spurs were so far in front of everyone in third, yet in the space of a week Arsenal made up 9 points on them. It just goes to show you top four qualification is all about how you end the season.
It really isn't.

67 points will get you top 4 this season, we could pick up those points in the first 23 games and lose the last 15 and it wouldn't matter.

If we hypothetically lost the last game of the season to Leicester and it costs us top 4, I'd certainly be looking at the first half of the season as to why we missed out rather than blaming the fact we only won 7 out of our last 8 games.
 

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We are Manchester United. Unbeaten in 17 games. We should expect to win every game and I see no reason why we shouldn't. Any team can lose any game but being negative gets you absolutely nowhere.
Win the next 3 and we may seal 3rd!
We need to create habits we've not had since SAF, ie being ruthless, putting together long unbeaten runs, and also the ability to rise to the occasion when a specific challenge is demanded. Our target should be 70 points and 70 goals scored.

I think its good mental preparation for next season.

Loving every aspect of this squads development since the arrival of Bruno.
 

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These last two days have reminded me of Football Manager where deep into a season some dude from the oppo team scores his first goal of the season in a crucial game. McGoldrick and Solanke, two braces, who woulda thunk it! Thanks lads!
 

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So with the top 4 going to the wire, how do we think it will end. 5th place could become important tomorrow.

So between Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves and Sheff Utd, this could be an interesting sprint now
 

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They've just reverted to the mean. Rodgers came in and they outperformed in all areas, now they've levelled out to their true ability.
This, the amount of late winners they got massively skewed their position. They came into the season riding the hype the media had about them but as they say things even themselves out over the course of the season
 

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Spurs could catch Leicester - who may struggle to pick up more than another point if they don't turn things around. They have some very tough fixtures.
 

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We need to create habits we've not had since SAF, ie being ruthless, putting together long unbeaten runs, and also the ability to rise to the occasion when a specific challenge is demanded. Our target should be 70 points and 70 goals scored.

I think its good mental preparation for next season.

Loving every aspect of this squads development since the arrival of Bruno.
Yes exactly. Getting back to the top first and foremost requires us to have the mentality of a top team. Everyone here nervous about playing Southampton and Crystal Palace is the exact opposite.

We are currently the best team in the league based on results in the last 20+ games. It's time we got some of that arrogance and swagger back.

Everyone saying it will be difficult etc is Moyes-esque.
 

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It does seem that to many on here you are the best team in the league until a day or so before you play Southampton at home, then people poo themselves!

It's all part of the fun though. Saints v Devils tomorrow. Good v Evil.
Pretty much :lol:

I do not take that view. I believe we are the best team right now!

Good v Evil :lol: you can hardly take the high ground with all your oil money.
 

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Yes exactly. Getting back to the top first and foremost requires us to have the mentality of a top team. Everyone here nervous about playing Southampton and Crystal Palace is the exact opposite.
We are currently the best team in the league based on results in the last 20+ games. It's time we got some of that arrogance and swagger back.
Everyone saying it will be difficult etc is Moyes-esque.
There is a big difference between confidence and expecting to win vs arrogance. I think Ole has embedded that into this teams culture and it's so enjoyable to watch as a fan.

In a way, it's good we are playing without a crowd, so none of this fan nervousness transmits to the team, who have quickly created genuine self confidence in themselves.
 

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There is a big difference between confidence and expecting to win vs arrogance. I think Ole has embedded that into this teams culture and it's so enjoyable to watch as a fan.

In a way, it's good we are playing without a crowd, so none of this fan nervousness transmits to the team, who have quickly created genuine self confidence in themselves.
Not arrogant just better ...
 

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Beat Southampton by three goals and we wipe out Leicester's goal difference advantage. Saints are in great form though.
I'd much rather get a 1-2 goal win tomorrow, and then try to increase the GD vs Palace and WHU
 

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We are Manchester United. Unbeaten in 17 games. We should expect to win every game and I see no reason why we shouldn't. Any team can lose any game but being negative gets you absolutely nowhere.

To suggest our fixtures are 'extremely difficult' is an extreme exaggeration. Our run-in is the easiest of the teams we are competing with.
Agreed, it's probably the last 7 years that are making me worried about the 'easier games', hoping top 4 is secured before Leicester